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[HanaYuriko]

I'm back, folks! And for everyone that remembers my Warhammer Rebuild thread, I'm currently working on a related design. In Macross, the Tomahawk shares it's legs with the Defender. In BattleTech that's the Warhammer and Rifleman. So I'm going with the same approach. Hopefully needing to build just half of a model will make this one go a bit quicker, if not easier.

But then I usually find out a way to make things difficult for myself. This build will be a LOT of conceptualization as I progress. First we start off with an actual concept.

It's just the basic shape for the moment with some parts I'd already made. I wanted to visualize the defining features of the RIfleman and get an idea of where to go.



Then looking at all of the canon Rifleman designs, I figure I'd try to do a blend just like before. Taking elements from all three designs. The Defender, Rifleman IIc, and the Phoenix version.



So with detailing, lets get with the guns!







More later...

[Ragor]

[zer0imh]

[Adridos]

Why not blend the unseen and reseen version as before?

[HanaYuriko]

Adridos, on 27 October 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

Why not blend the unseen and reseen version as before?

I plan to. As I said in my initial post:

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Then looking at all of the canon Rifleman designs, I figure I'd try to do a blend just like before. Taking elements from all three designs. The Defender, Rifleman IIc, and the Phoenix version.

The thing is, the Phoenix version is bloody ugly and the original is from anime. So my goal here is to try to make a distinct redesign that captures elements from a number of sources.

For instance, I'm trying to avoid the boomerang shaped radar. Since this is generally an anti-aircraft build, I turned the Defender's ammo packs into AEGIS styled arrays. On the Phoenix version, that area had become mounts for the radar blades on the top. I'm not completely sold on the AWACS type radar dome as a replacement though as it's too much like the other ugly cousin, the IIc.

Most of this will be conceptualization, so I'm not going to build a canon design.

[Adridos]

HanaYuriko, on 27 October 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

The thing is, the Phoenix version is bloody ugly and the original is from anime.

Not in all incarnations. This one looks better than even the original Rifleman, but I can understand you (Shadow Hawk... became Cobra Commander ). But that's for a different thread altogether.

Edited by Adridos, 27 October 2012 - 04:33 AM.

[HanaYuriko]

LOL yes! The Cobra Commander thing exactly! Some designs came out well. Others, not so much. That revision of the Rifleman does look better than the original TROPP art. Not sure what's on it. Maybe a pair of PPCs of some type, a pair of pulse lasers and I guess IJJs.


Working on the arm mounts. Not too happy with how this turned out.

[Steinar Bergstol]

I think part of what may make the arms feel "wrong" is how short the upper barrel is. The Rifleman always had long guns, so maybe lengthen the upper gunbarrel to something along the size of the lower?

[Joe3142]

Looking great so far!

[tyrone dunkirk]

Yeah, I like the design a lot, and where it's going, but maybe beef up the size on those arms and lengthen the LL barrels? Not sure how easy that is, don't use diigtal tools for my art too much

[HanaYuriko]

Not much of an update really. Just thinking about how I want to do the shoulder mount. The part I have on there now is designed off of the chin mount from the Apache Longbow. It doesn't seem to fit this design at all. The armor shield at the base of the gun barrels doesn't look right and would seem to restrict movement.

I also changed the shoulder mount to reflect the octagonal shoulders of the Defender. I tried the lengthened laser barrel, but it looked unbalanced with how thin the AC barrel is.

Edited by HanaYuriko, 27 October 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[HanaYuriko]

Settled on the arm design.

[Bishop Steiner]

Very glad you are back!

Very nice work, as usual!

[chewie]

Fantastic work as always Hana

[Paul BlackJack Cady]

Can someone please explain to me the unseen and reseen mechs?
Sorry, I'm old and I've been out of the BT loop for awhile..
Are you referring to the original 13 banned mechs from the Macross saga, that FASA lost the lawsuit to?

[Adridos]

Paul BlackJack Cady, on 28 October 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Are you referring to the original 13 banned mechs from the Macross saga, that FASA lost the lawsuit to?

They expanded the number a bit later. Here's the full list: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Most of them just got new images and are now once again usable, except for the original 12.

[Okie135]

Fun note: Fasa didn't actually lose the case. However, the way the lawsuit was handled the door was open for HG to keep resuing over and over again. Fasa took the better part of valor and went with Operation Phoenix to reseen them.

But please lets not get into a HG vs Fasa thing. That's not what the thread's about.


To the OP. Awesome work. Really looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.

Edited by Clark, 28 October 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[Vyviel]

Can I print this with my 3d Printer?

[Paul BlackJack Cady]

Adridos, on 28 October 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

They expanded the number a bit later. Here's the full list: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Most of them just got new images and are now once again usable, except for the original 12.

Thank you..

I was not trying to hijack, great looking Rifleman dude!

[HanaYuriko]

Thanks everyone! It's nice to see you guys are enjoying my model so far.

Not much progress today. Still trying to sort out how I want to do the torso. I want to try and get away from the Defender model with the shoulder packs, but still incorporate them somehow. I also learned that the center torso window isn't actually window for the cockpit, but for some sort of sensor suite. So I've been trying to incorporate the Reseen cockpit into it somehow. I think the more forward position works.

First image shows dropping the shoulder packs. Second is playing with variations on a theme.