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IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

...The number of murders by firearms is irrelevant anyways...

Wait, so you brought it up as a point in your argument then after it's rebuttal you dismiss it as irrelevant? Excuse my French but what the **** was the point of bringing it up then?

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I was in the middle of typing more words but I decided to stop. There's really no point. I'd spend 30 minutes writing a carefully crafted post detailing how and why you're wrong, but it would be a wasted effort knowing that you would either not understand it or refuse to understand it.

So I'll cut to the quick of it:

IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

...Do you believe you have the natural right to self-defense? Do you believe you have the natural right to life, liberty, and property? Do you believe government has the power to take your natural rights away?

"Natural Rights" do not exist. We are free. The only limitations are those we impose on ourselves and what we let others impose on us. But you wont understand this. So whatever.

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This is a lot of serious posting in K-Town.

[Kaio-Kerensky x10]

TBH I'd rather just have the cashback offer instead

[Texas Merc]

Q: Have you hugged a goon today?

[SPencil]

Sometimes, it scares me how much the goon ideals line up with my own.

Texas Merc, on 22 May 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

Q: Have you hugged a goon today?

Nope, but I did point and laugh with them.

Today was a good day.

Edited by SPencil, 22 May 2013 - 09:15 PM.

[Kaio-Kerensky x10]

SPencil, on 22 May 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Sometimes, it scares me how much the goon ideals line up with my own.

Lay down the :10bux: and post in D&D. You'd fit right in.

[SPencil]

Zharot, on 22 May 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

You'd fit right in.

Scary, I know.

[DrBonesSA]

SPencil, on 22 May 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Scary, I know.

You're alright, man.

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IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Goons still don't want to touch their activity in Star Wars, WoW, Second Life, etc.? The silence is deafening. lol

Maybe because there are literally 177,751 members of the SomethingAwful forums at this moment and we cannot be held accountable for all of them? Of the 100 in our jabber client right now I'm willing to bet that none of them were in those groups (because all those games are all awful). Also you never provided any reports of what sorts of poor behavior we're supposing to be white knighting against.

Edited by WWWWWWWWWWWWW, 22 May 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[IceCase88]

Zharot, on 22 May 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

I dunno about 2009, but there were 851 accidental deaths, 19766 suicides, and 11101 homicides with guns in 2011. Compare that to 33808 automotive deaths in the same year. I couldn't find the rate for vehicular homicide but I assume it's much lower than that.

It's almost as if you're cherry-picking statistics for some sort of agenda!

Suicides? LOL I bet the gun made them commit suicide! The guns were saying to them... we really want to kill you... you should really die... let us kill you... ROFLMFAO! Priceless... Most moronic statement ever! Here is a clue... People who commit suicide are going to make it happen.

I own many guys and they have not killed a single person in my many years of ownership. All my friends own guns and they have not killed anyone in their many years of ownership. Not once has one of our guns walked out the door and killed someone. Here is another clue... if someone wants to kill someone they are going to make it happen.

Zharot, on 22 May 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Also he's going to say that guns are necessary to somehow keep the government honest or overthrow Obama or some ****, it's pretty standard gun nut.

So why do you believe guns are bad? The government tells you too? I find it entertaining that you selected a photograph of Chinese soldiers. A country disarmed by Mao many years ago. Wow! You guys are on a moronic roll! Keep it up! I have not laughed so hard in my laugh. Good thing I don't live in China.

WWWWWWWWWWWWW, on 22 May 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

Maybe because there are literally 177,751 members of the SomethingAwful forums at this moment and we cannot be held accountable for all of them? Of the 100 in our jabber client right now I'm willing to bet that none of them were in those groups (because all those games are all awful). Also you never provided any reports of what sorts of poor behavior we're supposing to be white knighting against.

If you cannot control your members then the group has grown too big. As an organization you want to prevent negative perception by being proactive in ousting misbehaving members. Unless... you really like the negative perception and like the lowest common denominator in your group. Apparently you do and welcome it. One of your members QQed about people thinking you a plague of ******* locust. It would seem you are that. Articles are written about your group portraying them in a negative light across several different games. Those portrayals are not without merit. Where there is smoke there is fire and the flames are visible in your house. The negative perception is not some smear campaign. There is truth to it no matter how much you deny. You guys are very well versed in Saul Alinsky tactics and portraying yourselves as victims. If you don't like the perception join another group. Otherwise suffer from the perception brought upon you by your peers. Guilt by association.

If you want to outlaw the outright murder of human beings then outlaw abortion. Over 1 million humans are murdered in the US every year and millions are murdered across the world through abortion.

Edited by IceCase88, 23 May 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[fil5000]

Your thesis statement was that there is a perception that goons ruin games. There is no evidence that goons ruin games. Every game you've listed has been absolutely fine regardless of anything that anyone (regardless of affiliation) has done to them - unless you're suggesting that the big rework of Star Wars Galaxies' combat system was a goon plot, as that's the only thing that trashed that game.

Again, you are not providing any examples of anything that has ruined a game, you've provided examples of things that some people don't like. Also, "If you don't like the perception join another group" sounds very closed minded to me - you're entitled to hold an opinion about whatever group you want, but if you're unable to justify that opinion with facts and evidence you don't get to tell people it's THEIR problem.

You seem to be operating entirely on the basis of received opinion, and regardless of whether or not I agree with you on gun control you seem able to articulate your points on it without resorting to "DER PRESIDENT WANTS TER TAKE MAH GUHNS I KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE TEEVEE", so why not apply the same rigour to the discussion you initiated?

[IceCase88]

http://www.dailymail...ror-attack.html

Soldier was run over by a car, stabbed to death, and beheaded. Time to outlaw knives, meat cleavers, and cars. Rusty revolver had a malfunction and blew the thumb off one of the perpetrators. Just sayin'... My prayers go out to the soldier and his family. All the man was trying to do was earn a living for his family and protect his fellow citizens. You know whenever their is a massacre the one constant is none of the victims were armed. Just sayin'.

Here are some fun facts...

http://gunwatch.blog...d-citizens.html

http://dailyanarchis...age-statistics/

The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33

I am not an anarchist but the facts are there. Just sayin'.

[fil5000]

I'm always fascinated by how you yanks deal with gun control debates. Someone gets killed with a gun, it's not the right time to talk about gun control because everyone's all heated. Horrible tragedy occurs thousands of miles away where the victim doesn't have a gun? Well shoot, looks like I got me some supporting evidence!

[Ter Ushaka]

Protip: It's never the right time to talk about gun control in the United States.

[IceCase88]

fil5000, on 23 May 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

I'm always fascinated by how you yanks deal with gun control debates. Someone gets killed with a gun, it's not the right time to talk about gun control because everyone's all heated. Horrible tragedy occurs thousands of miles away where the victim doesn't have a gun? Well shoot, looks like I got me some supporting evidence!

Never is the right time to talk about gun control. You can talk about it but you are in the minority who favor gun control. By far, you are in the minority. Which is why gun control legislation is dead in the water. Typical leftist say we need new laws on the books. There are plenty of laws in place but laws are only designed to strike fear in law-abiding citizens and to be ignored by criminals. Laws are only paper and paper does not protect you from bad things nor do the police especially since SCOTUS has ruled the role of police is not to protect citizens (Warren vs District of Columbia, 1981 Castle Rock vs Gonzalez, 2005 Riss vs New York, 1958, etc.). Apparently the police in England could not protect that soldier too.

Earlier I said firearm murder rates are irrelevant and someone said that was the crux of my argument. Responding to that statement. It is not the crux of my argument. I brought up the fact the US is not even in the top 37 per capita of murders in the world. How many people who are murdered by firearms is absolutely irrelevant to that figure.

I don't fault you for your ignorance. It is obvious you are lazy, educated by the public school system, and overall not very intelligent which has allowed you to be brainwashed by the government. You are a product of your environment and you cannot be faulted for that. Read Thomas More's Utopia, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, Mark Levin's Ameritopia and Liberty and Tyranny. Educate yourselves. I will leave you with a great quote from one of the best leaders in the history of the world:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Ronald Reagan

[Blue Footed Booby]

There are invidual states in the US with gun laws as restrictive as any European nation that still have higher crime rates than those European nations. If you control for gun ownership, the US still has more violence than many European nations (talking about where it stands in the list of most violent countries in the world is stupid because "we're less violent than Somalia" is, to employ spectacular understatement, damning with faint praise).

What it comes down to is that how restricted gun ownership is has drastically less impact than America's steadfast refusal to deal with endemic poverty, and the systemic issues that concentrate poverty into ghettos. Nothing will change until the country as a collective whole realizes that a social safety net benefits everyone, rich and poor alike, and that military imperialism always (always) comes back around to bite you sooner or later.

[Ken Fury]

Yes especially if the people in those countries getting invaded liberated exercise their own natural right to own guns and use them.

That being said. Who in here is in favour of a social safety net and proper healthcare for everyone? You could increase gas or weapon/ammo taxes to fund them!

[Halfinax]

IceCase88, on 23 May 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Never is the right time to talk about gun control. You can talk about it but you are in the minority who favor gun control. By far, you are in the minority. Which is why gun control legislation is dead in the water. Typical leftist say we need new laws on the books. There are plenty of laws in place but laws are only designed to strike fear in law-abiding citizens and to be ignored by criminals. Laws are only paper and paper does not protect you from bad things nor do the police especially since SCOTUS has ruled the role of police is not to protect citizens (Warren vs District of Columbia, 1981 Castle Rock vs Gonzalez, 2005 Riss vs New York, 1958, etc.). Apparently the police in England could not protect that soldier too.

Don't let things like facts get in the way. You know you really are bad at this.

IceCase88, on 23 May 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Earlier I said firearm murder rates are irrelevant and someone said that was the crux of my argument. Responding to that statement. It is not the crux of my argument. I brought up the fact the US is not even in the top 37 per capita of murders in the world. How many people who are murdered by firearms is absolutely irrelevant to that figure.

Now let's go with something more relevant like oh I don't know Homicide rates in industrialized nations. Instead of everywhere due to the former being more relevant.

IceCase88, on 23 May 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

I don't fault you for your ignorance. It is obvious you are lazy, educated by the public school system, and overall not very intelligent which has allowed you to be brainwashed by the government. You are a product of your environment and you cannot be faulted for that. Read Thomas More's Utopia, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, Mark Levin's Ameritopia and Liberty and Tyranny. Educate yourselves. I will leave you with a great quote from one of the best leaders in the history of the world:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Ronald Reagan

Conjecture, and Lord Saviour Reagan. Nothing more needs to be said.

Edited by Halfinax, 23 May 2013 - 08:22 AM.

[fil5000]

IceCase88, on 23 May 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Never is the right time to talk about gun control. You can talk about it but you are in the minority who favor gun control. By far, you are in the minority. Which is why gun control legislation is dead in the water. Typical leftist say we need new laws on the books. There are plenty of laws in place but laws are only designed to strike fear in law-abiding citizens and to be ignored by criminals. Laws are only paper and paper does not protect you from bad things nor do the police especially since SCOTUS has ruled the role of police is not to protect citizens (Warren vs District of Columbia, 1981 Castle Rock vs Gonzalez, 2005 Riss vs New York, 1958, etc.). Apparently the police in England could not protect that soldier too.

Earlier I said firearm murder rates are irrelevant and someone said that was the crux of my argument. Responding to that statement. It is not the crux of my argument. I brought up the fact the US is not even in the top 37 per capita of murders in the world. How many people who are murdered by firearms is absolutely irrelevant to that figure.

I don't fault you for your ignorance. It is obvious you are lazy, educated by the public school system, and overall not very intelligent which has allowed you to be brainwashed by the government. You are a product of your environment and you cannot be faulted for that. Read Thomas More's Utopia, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, Mark Levin's Ameritopia and Liberty and Tyranny. Educate yourselves. I will leave you with a great quote from one of the best leaders in the history of the world:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Ronald Reagan

You misunderstand me entirely. I find the endless back and forth your country has on gun control fascinating, and the lines of debate that the right takes on it even more so. I have absolutely no vested interest in whether or not you actually introduce any, merely an opinion (which you'll note I haven't voiced as it doesn't affect me in the slightest so who cares?).

The fact you accuse me of ignorance based on a position I didn't actually take says more about you than it does about me. As does recommending the works of Rand alongside those of Moore. And as for someone that was accusing the people responding to him of having a developmental disorder using the words put into the mouth of an actor with a serious degenerative mental condition to make any sort of point - I think that sort of speaks for itself.

[Reverend]

IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Being extremely knowledgeable in crime prevention and law enforcement would make me educated on it. Just sayin'.

How are you educated in Law Enforcement? Also isnt there some goon who owns like 30 guns? Including a Barrett Fifty?

[Uba]

IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Silly, Goons. Lying and making yourself victims is for kids. I guess you cannot be honest about dirty and nefarious plans.

Please provide evidence of any lying that took place by "Goons"

Ter Ushaka, on 22 May 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Dear Goons:

What is your favorite brand of hot dog?

*edit*
I will also allow bratwursts and sausages as a replacement, if you are not a fan of hot dogs.

Whatever brand they use on that hot dog stand in Reykjavik that Bill Clinton went to. They're full of Freedom. Also I guess Ball Park Franks & Bratwurst are my preferred. Not a hot dog snob though.

IceCase88, on 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Goons still don't want to touch their activity in Star Wars, WoW, Second Life, etc.? The silence is deafening. lol

I'll bite. Prove it was this group of members of the Something Awful forums that participated in those events or that those events directly caused those games to fail.

Texas Merc, on 22 May 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

Q: Have you hugged a goon today?

Sadly no.

fil5000, on 23 May 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

I'm always fascinated by how you yanks deal with gun control debates. Someone gets killed with a gun, it's not the right time to talk about gun control because everyone's all heated. Horrible tragedy occurs thousands of miles away where the victim doesn't have a gun? Well shoot, looks like I got me some supporting evidence!

Because some people just like to chase ambulances for their "facts"