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[CaptainCrunch]

Logged in, played one match, got focused fired by a butt load of LRM's. Seriously no fun at all. After playing most of last night with the same results I have come to the conclusion that this game is not ready for MY style of play. (PUG couple of hours a week) I will continue to log on for one match a day till it feels good to play. If anyone cares here are a few things that should be done to help gamers like me enjoy this game more.

Match the founders up and leave the lonewolves to play against each other...founders have already been playing for a while , are probally in a clan, and have better gear. there should be no other mechs matched against trial mech they are not balanced for this.

LRM's just plain stink to be up against...I know all the tactics (get in cover/caves/behind stuff yada yada) group up with a bunch of guys with AMS(see point one with trial mechs) Fact is once a group sets you for focus fire your done for unless your team gets in their face and gives them a more pressing target. I want to PEW PEW with my lasers. Make better maps with much tighter and overhead cover, so that teams who go heavy on LRM's get screwed once in a while with a random map that does not favor them.

Somthing other then death-match please!

Anyways just a passing newb who loves the lore...but hates the state of the game.

[Kunae]

People being founders have nothing to do with it. Look for another irrelevant scape-goat.

[Helmer]

CaptainCrunch,


I believe Matchmaking is very high on the priority list right now, so keep checking back in on the forums. The PUG vs Premades debate is well known and is currently being addressed.

LRMs are another ongoing debate. As I usually run with a premade group , who all know their roles and communicate, I personally have no issue with them. However, many share your concerns.


Thanks for the feedback.


Cheers.

[Vila deVere]

CaptainCrunch, on 30 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Logged in, played one match, got focused fired by a butt load of LRM's. Seriously no fun at all. After playing most of last night with the same results I have come to the conclusion that this game is not ready for MY style of play. (PUG couple of hours a week) I will continue to log on for one match a day till it feels good to play. If anyone cares here are a few things that should be done to help gamers like me enjoy this game more.

Match the founders up and leave the lonewolves to play against each other...founders have already been playing for a while , are probally in a clan, and have better gear. there should be no other mechs matched against trial mech they are not balanced for this.

LRM's just plain stink to be up against...I know all the tactics (get in cover/caves/behind stuff yada yada) group up with a bunch of guys with AMS(see point one with trial mechs) Fact is once a group sets you for focus fire your done for unless your team gets in their face and gives them a more pressing target. I want to PEW PEW with my lasers. Make better maps with much tighter and overhead cover, so that teams who go heavy on LRM's get screwed once in a while with a random map that does not favor them.

Somthing other then death-match please!

Anyways just a passing newb who loves the lore...but hates the state of the game.

Ummm... don't stand out in the open where LRMs will pound you?

I dunno, just a suggestion....

[Lin Shai]

A sample size of one is rarely, if ever, useful.

That being said, you realize that like all the trial mechs except for the Jenner have LRMs, right? Even playing against brand new PUGers right now the LRMs are filling the sky.

[Name48928]

Lin Shai, on 30 October 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

A sample size of one is rarely, if ever, useful.

Word! One needs a sample size of at least 30 in order to have a statistically significant sample.

(True fax! )

[AllGamer]

CaptainCrunch

find a team a clan/guild/house join them and get the feel of a real game, you will not be disappointed

Not every "guild" is hard core, some are just together to play for fun

with proper communication and team work this game is at its peak

i can't say the same when you are a lone wolf, the lack of team work is what prevents lone wolfs from being "enjoyable"

unless they start making 1vs1 matches during the game match ups.

I agree the Developers should definitely open up more options like in StarCraft 2 or WarCraft 3
where you can match up on choices of 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4... 8vs8, etc

[Wispsy]

I see more custom lrm atm then custom anything else (minus Jenners) but it is the bad players fault for sucking I guess as the pro lrmers set up in their skilled positions and ask for targets. You can beat them if you are much better then them, so clearly l2p before coming on this game, but do not expect it to be fun fights.

[Jason1138]

if you dont like being LRM'd to death, pilot a light or take an atlas with 2 AMS's on it. your problem is that you want to do what you want to do and you expect the game to conform to you instead of the other way around

[CaptainCrunch]

Kunae, on 30 October 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

People being founders have nothing to do with it. Look for another irrelevant scape-goat.

I believe that it is a relevant scape-goat for the reasons I metioned in my post(cash invested=more commitment/experiance/gear), but to expand on my thoughts how do you feel about Matchmaking trial mech vs trial mechs only?

Vila deVere, on 30 October 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Ummm... don't stand out in the open where LRMs will pound you?

I dunno, just a suggestion....

I believe I did mention the fact that I was aware of the tactics used to combat the LRM's, but those tactics are only delaying actions. The fact for me is that these tactics do not make for a fun experiance and now that I read a little more on the forums I have seen that I'm not alone in my feelings.

Jason1138, on 30 October 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

if you dont like being LRM'd to death, pilot a light or take an atlas with 2 AMS's on it. your problem is that you want to do what you want to do and you expect the game to conform to you instead of the other way around

I don't see an atlas, let alone one with 2 AMS in my options to pilot as a new player. I don't want games to conform to my playstyle, but I wont conform my playstyle for a game either. I only came here to give my imput in case they cared to adress the issues of the casual gamer.

Thank you all for your comments

Edited by CaptainCrunch, 30 October 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[Jason1138]

"I don't see an atlas, let alone one with 2 AMS in my options to pilot as a new player."


you can make something like 2 mil an hour in a light. 1 day of grinding will get you in that atlas. i mean obviously its up to you but its not like its SO hard to get one

if you prefer, pilot the mech of your choice, mount an AMS on it, and stand next to 2 other guys with AMS's. you will not get LRM'd at all

[Kunae]

CaptainCrunch, on 30 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I believe that it is a relevant scape-goat for the reasons I metioned in my post(cash invested=more commitment/experiance/gear),

No, it's no excuse at all.

There are plenty of folks out there who have played through the entirety of closed beta without ever investing in founders packs.

Also, Founders do not "get better gear", they just get a 1-2 day head-start after a wipe(assuming they're elite or Legendary founders, as "Veterans" don't get a mech.) on C-bills, as they don't need, necessarily, to grind on trial mechs.

By this coming weekend, all a "founders tag" will be is a flashy badge... nothing more.

[Stickjock]

Heya Captain... long time huh?? Anywho... lone PUG'ing is the reason I'm in the process of hooking up with DHB... old crew just never came over to MW:O and got tired of the solo PUG's...

As for MM... dunno... my biggest suggestion when it comes to those Trials is for the Devs to fall back on what they had said in what, like last May?? Let every player, no matter who, choose ONE Mech for their own... full Mech capable of being configured and modified...

KEEP the Trials Mechs as well... they're there among other reason but one is for C-Bills grinding... but giving everyone 1 Mech of their choice would hopefully alleviate, in my opinion a LOT of the negativity being shown... then no one could complain that they're "out-classed" because of inferior Mechs...

Dunno... but keep on rolling Captain... see you dirt side sometime...

[Kraven Kor]

Just to counter a point:

I do find the tactics of avoiding LRM fire fun. And once you know the routes to take, getting under the range of LRM's is trivial.

Killing their friends who don't have just LRM's... different story.

[Hikyuu]

AllGamer, on 30 October 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

CaptainCrunch

find a team a clan/guild/house join them and get the feel of a real game, you will not be disappointed

Not every "guild" is hard core, some are just together to play for fun

with proper communication and team work this game is at its peak

i can't say the same when you are a lone wolf, the lack of team work is what prevents lone wolfs from being "enjoyable"

unless they start making 1vs1 matches during the game match ups.

I agree the Developers should definitely open up more options like in StarCraft 2 or WarCraft 3
where you can match up on choices of 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4... 8vs8, etc

The Entire purpose of Doom Riders was so that i'd have buddies to launch with, it just eventually grew so big that we have 100 members and 20+ active at any given moment. But we're still beer drinking trolls who like to get drunk and fight stuff!

Edited by Hikyuu, 30 October 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[Zero Neutral]

CaptainCrunch, on 30 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Logged in, played one match, got focused fired by a butt load of LRM's. Seriously no fun at all. After playing most of last night with the same results I have come to the conclusion that this game is not ready for MY style of play. (PUG couple of hours a week) I will continue to log on for one match a day till it feels good to play. If anyone cares here are a few things that should be done to help gamers like me enjoy this game more.

Match the founders up and leave the lonewolves to play against each other...founders have already been playing for a while , are probally in a clan, and have better gear. there should be no other mechs matched against trial mech they are not balanced for this.

LRM's just plain stink to be up against...I know all the tactics (get in cover/caves/behind stuff yada yada) group up with a bunch of guys with AMS(see point one with trial mechs) Fact is once a group sets you for focus fire your done for unless your team gets in their face and gives them a more pressing target. I want to PEW PEW with my lasers. Make better maps with much tighter and overhead cover, so that teams who go heavy on LRM's get screwed once in a while with a random map that does not favor them.

Somthing other then death-match please!

Anyways just a passing newb who loves the lore...but hates the state of the game.

Go Pew Pew in Call of Duty.... this is a tactical game that requires strategy. Light Mechs can flank LRM boats. You are doing it wrong if you are dying to LRM, EVER.

[Suko]

OP, I do hope we all see improvements soon. Unlike many of my fellow long-time MWO followers, I'm not blinded by faith. This game was no-where near ready to be shown to the public, but it's been done and there's no going back now. Lets hope that you, and the other posts for newbies like you, get the point across that THIS CRAP HAS TO GET FIXED!

Most founders will try to counter your arguments, but they're ignoring the dozens of posts made each hour that mention the same issues over and over again. These founders have been playing for weeks/months and (if they were like me) were paying close attention to every aspect of the games development. Because of this, they know how all the weapons work (like how weapons can do damage past max range) and other tricks that the average Joe who's not a Battletech or MechWarrior fanatic would know nothing about. This does give them a distorted view on how this game plays. They're not looking at it with a fresh set of eyes. They don't realize that most of you newcomers don't have someone to teach them the basics 1 on 1.

So, once more, I apologize for the arrogance of some in this community. I hope this game ups its accessibility to new players very soon.

P.S. If I see another ***** say something like: "You can get 2 mil in a few hours, it's not that hard!" I'm going to blow a gasket.

These newbies aren't earning that kind of money. And even if they are, you're essentially saying they need to spend 1 full work day doing nothing but GRINDING, just to experience 1/2 of what MWO has to offer: Mech customization.

Jebus, I hope they get this game more newb friendly or it's gonna die on the vine.

Edited by shadowvfx, 30 October 2012 - 04:11 PM.

[Volturnus]

ShadowVFX, on 30 October 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Jebus, I hope they get this game more newb friendly or it's gonna die on the vine.

Let's just hope they're aware of that.

[tenderloving]

Kunae, on 30 October 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

People being founders have nothing to do with it. Look for another irrelevant scape-goat.

When a new person sees Founders they assume, often rightly, that the person is more experienced than they are and is likely coordinating with others.

At the very least, the Founder is in a mech that is optimized to their personal play-style, versus the noob's trial mech that they are not comfortable with.

Either way, the OP wasn't attacking Founders, he was pointing out the flawed matchmaking that pits people of obvious skill differences against each other.

[Name48928]

Volturnus, on 31 October 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Let's just hope they're aware of that.

Of course they are:

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Trial Mech Locking

• Trial Mechs will now work the same as any BattleMech, they are locked until the match ends. This ends the ability for a macro player to "churn" matches to maximize CB.

Quitting/Disconnecting Early

• You will only receive rewards up to the point of disconnection.

Idle/AFK

• Players that fail to provide any input will be kicked from a match Although it does not prevent a macro player from simply putting in inputs, it forces them to LOOK like a bot.

That will teach those new players to Play Right ™!

Edited by MinionJoe, 31 October 2012 - 08:44 AM.