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[ollo]

TheFuzzyBunny, on 30 October 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

Why not find a group of guys to play with? There are several groups that happily accept in new players and work with them. It just seems silly to cry over getting beat by a premade when you can easily join up with a group and you know, become a premade...

How is that gonna fix the crappy trial mechs? Just curious...

And BTW, everyone please shut up about that "find a group, learn to play, blablabla"-BS, thank you.

[Particle Man]

SuomiWarder, on 30 October 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Sometimes a company needs to manage customer fears. A solo only group function would make sure people knew they were not getting rolled by premade groups. Should have been easy. Would have saved a lot of whinning.

i hope they do a solo only function. I can farm FAR more cbills lone wolfing against noobs and pugs than i can on a team. It would be nice to make 200-300K per match by stomping pugs alone.

not that i would do that, often. but there are plenty of people that would

[Tekerton]

Desecrator, on 30 October 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

lol, you actually think the premade groups can support the entire game by themselves.

cute

You missed the point:

"willing to join teams, communicate"

This is a team "game". You cannot solo and expect to do well. Sure, you might pull off a few matches with some decent kills, assists, even make some money. The point is to team up and work with your team. Anyone who thinks this isn't the case is wookin' pa nub in all the wrong places.

Also, the omfg spooky term "premades" that gets abused to the point of meaningless...here's the thing:

The vast majority of them are PUGS. That's what we call them in EVERY other game. A Pick Up Group. People you don't know who come together to perform a task within the game. Just because some of us are savvy enough to facilitate this by use of the publicly offered Teamspeak server doesn't change the fact that it is a PUG.

It's a PUG with shared voice communications. That's all there is to it.

If most people wouldn't get bent the hell out of shape the SECOND someone uses text to organize the non-voice comms teams, text chat teams would do just fine. Most of you know precisely what I'm talking about. Someone says "Stay together", the responses are smartasrsed "duh" or "no" or some other anti-team sentiment. Someone says "go to G4", most will NOT go to G4 because they don't want to take orders from Joe the Pilot.

There are plenty of options to use voice comms for everyone. There are tons of free servers to use, not just the Un-Official MWO TS Server.

Find one, implement it, win, have fun. It's not mechfoundry science.

[Mack1]

You know you are up against a premade when

• Some arrogant git announces that you are about to be raped by the Jenner Brigade
  
• Some arrogant git announces that you have just been raped by the Jenner brigade
  
• A swarm of Jenners come charging over the hill after the missile boats have softened you all up.

Like wise you can tell you are in a pug full of new players when after 30 seconds of the game they all charge in a straight line towards the enemy base

[Sarevos]

Ohm, on 30 October 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I love these dumb threads. I was in a unit my first day playing. Quit complaining because you're to lazy to do the footwork no not get owned.

Yea man its funny how people think games should be accessible to new players, thats dumb. Why do we need new players coming in here spoiling everything with their money and potential publicity? Man what are those guys thinking?

[Tickdoff Tank]

Throbbinwood, on 30 October 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Do people not know that better matchmaking is around the corner?

They refuse to accept this. They want it NOW. ANything else does not satsify them. Not that anything will. Once the MM is fixed they will find another reason to complain.

My theory:

If MWO spit out $20 bills after every match, people would complain that the bills were not in sequential order.

[CobraFive]

Tekerton, on 30 October 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

This is a team "game". You cannot solo and expect to do well.

Then this game is doomed to failure, just like everyone is saying.

There are plenty of heavily team-based games- in fact, games much more heavily team dependent then this one- that are also fun for pugs to play. Until MWO is one of those games, and in no way is it even close yet, its never going to be a competitive product.

[Yokaiko]

ollo, on 30 October 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

How is that gonna fix the crappy trial mechs? Just curious...

And BTW, everyone please shut up about that "find a group, learn to play, blablabla"-BS, thank you.

You dont

Stock mehcs are bad, that is just how it is. The custom mechs are no better when you get them. If you don't like the trials you can spend $10 and get enough MC for a Jenner or Centurion or what have you.

I've spent the my time since the last patch trying to get my FOUNDER mechs right. I have 2 of 4 set up, I can't even think about buying a mech yet.

Edited by Yokaiko, 30 October 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Lefteye Falconeer]

It's very easy to lose and scream "PREMADE!". Truth is, there isn't that many premades out there and 75% of your "losses to a premade!" are probably just badly played games.

One thing too many newbies fail to realize is that while it's quite easy to get into the game, there's A LOT you can do to improve yourself (as a pilot) and your 'mech. Sure, if you happen to be in a terrible team then you will lose, but that has little to do with your opponent.

The final implementation of matchmaking by PGI won't necessarily fix your problem.

My suggested solutions echo everyone else's:

1) Find some people to play with. Doesn't have to be a full premade. Even just one person you can coordinate with (and talk to) make the whole thing much more enjoyable and more efficient. The more the better. Next time you read someone else complaining in chat about premades, ask him to band up with you so you can queue together next round.

2) Analyze your playstyle and try to understand what you could do differently. Or if you should just use a 'mech that covers a different role.

Premades are in all games. This is a team game. Time to form your team, or just do what you can by yourself.

For the record, I have NEVER grouped with anyone since about the July beta. I have about 1000 played games, all solo. And I have lots of fun and games seem fair enough to me. Sure, my "stats" aren't that great (about 50% losses - 50% wins), but who cares? To be honest, I have never really understood all the complains about premades. Are we people playing the same game at all?

[CeeKay Boques]

I wish i was so badass i rocked at every game the instant I touched it...

Or is that what every single player game has taught us since the beginning? I'm Gordon Freeman, I have a Crowbar. Watch me save the world.

I couldn't imagine jumping into Counter-Strike right now after a 10 year hiatus and expecting to rock.

Hell, I never even joined the StarCraft leagues because I couldn't defeat 1 insane. Same with Rise of Flight multiplayer. I knew there was an investment to win. I WAS able to rock at CoD, Battlefield, and TF2 withkn an hour... at least kill something....

That's the thing with Mechwarriors... a good warrior might fight all match, do 300 damage, get no kills, die and lose the match. That doesn't mean she wasn't a total badass the whole time she was out there. Our culture. I guess we DO need a singleplayer/ Bot server... so guys can feel good about themselves, then come out in the real world to see the difference.

[MorbidGamer]

You got groups pushing players away from the game and you got forum trolls running wild on here when new players complain.

They need to start suspending all unproductive posters.

Edited by MorbidGamer, 30 October 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Mechsniper]

Devs,
I put in posts long ago that without VOIP,(meaning fully integrated) and a Lobby where you can jump in with a group of guys chat about what mech you are all taking and then drop together that this would happen. This is no surprise to many of us. I do ok without being part of a group in most matches and have helped pugs kill premades( I know many of you by name at this point) when the stars come together right. Full Voip and a lobby really need to become reality sooner than later. Letting people into beta is a double edged sword for you guys because although you need them to test things, you also risk running off a lot of die hard MW fans who have high expectations. $ will come as this is an awesome basis for an outstanding game. The framework is set, but these features are expected in todays gaming world. I am routing for this game, as I still see incredible potential for fun if it keeps growing(metagame, game variations, mechs, weapons clans/ clan tech , even who knows? AI and missions?) Keep at it, and good luck.

[CeeKay Boques]

Sarevos, on 30 October 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Yea man its funny how people think games should be accessible to new players, thats dumb. Why do we need new players coming in here spoiling everything with their money and potential publicity? Man what are those guys thinking?

It is accessible. Too many people think: Victory = Accessiblity.

[Kraven Kor]

Sandpit, on 30 October 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Report players that do this. It's the best way to get it resolved. I agree it's a pain but posting on here isn't the best way to solve it. Submit a ticket on players who does this.

LOL.

The people handling complaints are going to be busy

[FiddlerMC]

Im a Recent beginner playing a Commando (AWE YEAH) i will say that the game has a steep(ish) learning curve,

But i have run into a few really well organised groups. i dont assume a self made group, maybe they are communicating in chat and all working as a team??

Im not discouraged at all, but it can be pretty frustrating when it happens often.

Working towards a Raven and will decide if its my mech choice or otherwise that is causing Matches to be so difficult!

GL HF! GG WP!

[Sarevos]

Tickdoff Tank, on 30 October 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

They refuse to accept this. They want it NOW. ANything else does not satsify them. Not that anything will. Once the MM is fixed they will find another reason to complain.

My theory:

If MWO spit out $20 bills after every match, people would complain that the bills were not in sequential order.

no the problem isn't that everyone wants it NOW they want it to be working when new players come in... how do you always miss this point? why must all of you Less QQ'ers only see the area of arguement you want to see? Why is there no rational thought to your responses?

If they just fixed MM before open beta no one would have these issues... there are people who do infact have teams they play with (myself included) who ceased operation temporarily to profess that this is an issue for player accessibility and retention have you had any formal training in business? do you know anything about the Game industry? ever wonder why all those amazing new ideas in concepts of games never see release? to make it playable to the largest audience... dude think less about how YOU want to play and more about how the game will make the best impression

I love it when everyone wants to tell other people how to play but its time to break out the pitchforks when someone makes a suggestion that THEY do something different I'd think most of you were americans, Christ! i get enough of this kind of bull on C-Span

PS I love teamplay the group of friends that play already enjoyed it thoroughly in CB but thought it was a good idea to relax for OB until the changes dropped so new players could get a FEEL you know what helps people want to join your clan? actually helping them and teaching them how to play BEFORE you annihilate them...

Technoviking, on 30 October 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

It is accessible. Too many people think: Victory = Accessiblity.

ok explain how its accessible to new players and ill give you the point

[Tickdoff Tank]

MorbidGamer, on 30 October 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Here's how you tell your in a pre-made.

All founders... No trail mechs... Clan advertising spam... Chest beating from other team... Voice chat info...

It's not rocket science here.

Our "pre-made" has 3 non-founders, runs 5/8 trial mechs right now (kitting out our favorite mechs is EXPENSIVE), we do not beat our chest. We may goof around in general chat, but most of us do that when we are solo as well. I do not spam our voice chat info unless asked.

Not every pre-made is the same as what you describe. We don't think we are better than anyone, as a matter of fact I have seen plenty of PUGs that were better pilots than most of us. But we try and help each other out. We respond when a teammate is in trouble. We have also been playing a while, so our basic skill level is higher than the newew players. That is not our fault. Don't blame everything on premades. You will run out of people to blame for your loss when the MM is fixed.

[Sarevos]

Mechsniper, on 30 October 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Devs,
I put in posts long ago that without VOIP,(meaning fully integrated) and a Lobby where you can jump in with a group of guys chat about what mech you are all taking and then drop together that this would happen. This is no surprise to many of us. I do ok without being part of a group in most matches and have helped pugs kill premades( I know many of you by name at this point) when the stars come together right. Full Voip and a lobby really need to become reality sooner than later. Letting people into beta is a double edged sword for you guys because although you need them to test things, you also risk running off a lot of die hard MW fans who have high expectations. $ will come as this is an awesome basis for an outstanding game. The framework is set, but these features are expected in todays gaming world. I am routing for this game, as I still see incredible potential for fun if it keeps growing(metagame, game variations, mechs, weapons clans/ clan tech , even who knows? AI and missions?) Keep at it, and good luck.

now i agree with this and know it will take some time to integrate I'm not saying it has to be DONE RIGHT NOW but everyone should atleast see how an INGAME voip lobby should be available when you drop if you pug

[Tickdoff Tank]

MorbidGamer, on 30 October 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

You got groups pushing players away from the game and you got forum trolls running wild on here when new players complain.

They need to start suspending all unproductive posters.

Are you volunteering?

[Calmon]

Garth Erlam, on 30 October 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

We are taking steps to fix this (Phase 1 will be soon, in fact) but a lot of this is player perception. I play outside of groups 99% of the time, and in the last two weeks I've played against a grand total of two premades. Today I played 20 matches just to see; got zero.

It can be frustrating to lose like that, sure, but what people often forget is they're losing because they literally do zero group work. No-one uses C3, no-one even uses text chat. Then they get picked apart one by one. I managed to get a random group of guys to talk and we beat an actual premade (one of those two I faced) because a lot of the guys there were great players, they just needed a good leader.

And no, I don't mean yelling at people who don't listen to you

When I play in EU timezone between 8pm and 11pm we (in group by myself) meet a lot of other groups.

When I play in the morning/afternoon I rarely meet groups just because EU is working/studying and US sleeping/awake.

So time matters to find this PUG vs. Premades.