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[Atomfire]

:facepalm:

A CoC is not a control mechanism, It is used to ease communications between regiments and aid in planning, if we go off on this willy nilly we are going to be smashed apart by the Laios, who, might I say, are being trained by the best in the CoC biz, if they even smell a weakness they are gonna kick our ***. Goonswarm is already going about kicking everyone's ***** in WoT and anyone who does not acknowledge that the goons are skill at tactics are going to find themselves on the receiving end of an embarrassing beating and possibly the loss of the whole Capellan March before anyone realizes it.

[GenWarhammer]

im comming off of 7 monthes in Civwars. its organize and get your act together or DIE. No joke. These FTP games are driven by the need to spend money. They count on it. They are counting on one or two STRONG factions having thier act together and they others having to spend money to try and make up for thier lack of coheisiveness.

[Atomfire]

GenWarhammer, on 15 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

im comming off of 7 monthes in Civwars. its organize and get your act together or DIE. No joke. These FTP games are driven by the need to spend money. They count on it. They are counting on one or two STRONG factions having thier act together and they others having to spend money to try and make up for thier lack of coheisiveness.

This guy has it down.

[Azantia]

You guys honestly think that if the Davion community doesnt follow the "MPBT" group they will fail.....you honestly think that you guys are so much better than the rest of the community.....yes we have heard you over and over.

open your ears and hear the community.

units are organizing, they just dont want to play with a high-nosed, self righteous, ego driven group of individuals.

how hard is that to understand?

Edited by Azantia, 16 June 2012 - 07:56 PM.

[Atomfire]

Azantia, on 16 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

You guys honestly think that if the Davion community doesnt follow the "MPBT" group they will fail.....you honestly think that you guys are so much better than the rest of the community.....yes we have heard you over and over.

open your ears and hear the community.

units are organizing, they just dont want to play with a high-nosed, self righteous, ego driven group of individuals.

how hard is that to understand?

We still need a group of people to organize around, as I said before, if we all go around willy nilly we are going to get our ***** kicked.

[Numlock1776]

Well getting a team speak server up an running for House Davion would be a good start. No serious player is going to look twice at any clan/unit/organization that doesn't have voice coms.

At the very least you can plead with the players on it to listen to you.

Based on my own experience as a goon, I wouldn't bother trying to organize at all at this point. A few months it will become clear which players and units are serious and which are just background noise. Right now nobody has any reason to believe that you will be among the former.

[Supremacist]

Azantia, on 16 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

open your ears and hear the community.

open your ears and hear me





Fixed that for you.

[Meneiupptus]

Azantia, read my post on the reiteration of the thread... completely voluntary round robin of all the unit leaders... the MPBT players may be a part of that Commuications but no one will be leading it... unless the council chooses to have someone. We will burn that bridge when we come to it.

If the Goons are in Liao... I will be on that border fighting. 2 reasons for that... 1... They are tough competitors. 2... They don't like to lose and that means unless we get some acts togethor we will lose allot of terrotory.

Voice comms is a must I agree.

[Azantia]

Supremacist, on 17 June 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

open your ears and hear me





Fixed that for you.

Supremacist,
I hear you.
You are that annoying little poodle that thinks they are a big dog.
You think because you have played a few little games and been successful that it makes you important.
I noticed nothing special when when I saw you last.
I understand that your ego is much larger than your actual ability, so....I hear you, but its all bark and zero bite. Your attempts at agitation are juvenile and petty, albeit amusing.
Might want to move along to someone who you can actually intimidate, cause all i hear when you speak is blah blah blah.

Have a great day.

P.S. Dont forget your chores, otherwise mommy and daddy might ground you from the computer....

Edited by Azantia, 18 June 2012 - 09:20 AM.

[Atomfire]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Supremacist,
I hear you.
You are that annoying little poodle that thinks they are a big dog.
You think because you have played a few little games and been successful that it makes you important.
I noticed nothing special when when I saw you last.
I understand that your ego is much larger than your actual ability, so....I hear you, but its all bark and zero bite. Your attempts at agitation are juvenile and petty, albeit amusing.
Might want to move along to someone who you can actually intimidate, cause all i hear when you speak is blah blah blah.

Have a great day.

P.S. Dont forget your chores, otherwise mommy and daddy might ground you from the computer....

No, I agree with the goon, you are the only one protesting against this, even though It is stated that it will be a part of the game. Actually, I'm starting to think your part of BoB.

[Azantia]

Think what you want Atomfire. I am the only one still posting because I want the rest of the community to see you guys for what you are, and to let them know there are still units and groups out there that care about integrating new members into the community, and believe in fair play based on mutual respect, regardless of how long someone has been playing in the genre or what games they have played in the past.

The reality is : Several units have already contacted us and expressed their concern and support for our overall position given the CoC.

So im glad you think im the only one, if it makes you feel better, then so be it. If the CoC was going well, this would not still be being discussed. Keep in mind you are coming into the conversation several months late, and have not really said anything that hasnt already been discussed in some way shape or form. So unless you have anything pertinent to add, you are just blowing smoke.

I will not participate with Lordrush, Qin or anyone associated with them (Nor will anyone in our unit) because of their attitude in regards to the entire community. They care more about feeding their ego's and keeping their self-perceived greatness in-tact.

Now im sure they feel the same way about me, and that is their right. Simply put, its not fair or good for either group to try to work together, as we have already both come to the conclusion that there is no working around our "differences".

If you want to follow them / join their party, then so be it, thats your choice. In fact you will fit in well, belittling the rest of the community that believes in a fairly implemented CoC that gives equal opportunity to all leaders involved (and no we dont want to lead, but we dont have faith in those who want to lead, and so dont want to follow them.) That has been the problem on their side from day one, and it had caused alot more damage than you believe in their attempts to bring the community "together".

Yes, I am clearly a Goon, verbally sparring with supremacist is clearly furthering the goal of House Liao and the Word of Lowtax. You clearly have excellent analytical skills and are an asset to the House Davion community. The Goons are praying that House Davion relies on you for its intelligence.

Also, it has already been stated SEVERAL TIMES that individuals CANNOT lead a house. period, end of story. You cant even dictate which planets you attack. So I am wanting to know where you get your information when you say "they have already said it will be a part of the game."? Once again, excellent analysis. Do you do this for a living?

Edited by Azantia, 18 June 2012 - 03:35 PM.

[Vandal]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Yes, I am clearly a Goon, verbally sparring with supremacist is clearly furthering the goal of House Liao and the Word of Lowtax. You clearly have excellent analytical skills and are an asset to the House Davion community. The Goons are praying that House Davion relies on you for its intelligence.

Yo he was actually implying that you were wronged by goons in the past and therefore when we post our cool correct opinions, you have to be contrarian for some dang reason probably involving a big ego. Atomfire IS more of an asset to the 'House Davion Community' than your stodgy butt, and it's frankly distressing that you would insult another player in such a vicious way simply because they disagree with you.

[Supremacist]

Atomfire, Vandal, I appreciate the back up against these awful attacks on my person.
Oh and Azantia, it was your unit that was scouted. How does it feel to have a unit that had all their kills divided between 3 people?
Is the rest of your unit part of the scenery?

No one significant supports you, the evidence is their lack of support for you on the forums.
If they wont go against the AFFS CoC on the forums (why should they?), how will they go against the AFFS CoC in game. (why would they?)

AFFS CoC has only good sides to it, there is not a single thing lost when aligning with the AFFS CoC, everyone can see this, and this explains why you are alone and without support.

I hope your unit enjoys having to defend the same planet by yourselves, hour after hour, against wave after wave of goon invasion forces, all around the clock, getting plastered. I think thats a good recipe for the disintegration of a unit through bad command. I want to know what your pride will finally cost you once your troops start refusing to fight it alone.

Edited by Supremacist, 18 June 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Azantia]

*shrug* If you think calling me names or trying to turn my argument around on me will make me leave or change my general stance you are wrong. You are entitled to your opinion, as is Atomfire.

You dont know me and have no idea how much of an asset I am to my team or my house. Just because I disagree with "the old guard" and dont want to be part of their little CoC doesnt mean a damn thing. My own skills and unit will speak for itself when the time comes.

I personally dont know the goons, but we have several members from clans and units that have played against them in tanks and in eve...They are very beatable, and havent even been around in the tanks clan wars cause they have been getting spanked all over from mediocre units at best.

The goons like to use their visa cards to get a quick jump out the gate, but lack staying power. As I have heard all over from people who have played against them. I have heard they are decent, but certainly not as good as they claim to be, and clearly not a group that stays in a community for long term. The next shiny new game that launches and they will be long gone, sooner if they start losing alot (like in tanks) I would be more worried about some of the "Real" house liao units that have been playing for years. House Jurai in particular, but several others are dangerous. Likewise, the DCMS has alot of great pilots which give me more of a pause than anyone who talks the talk, but seems to fall short in the walking the walk category.

Talking about how good you are is a good indicator you know your unit isnt.
Its the ones that dont protest their skills repeatedly that you need to worry about. Cause they know that their skill speaks for itself.

[Azantia]

Supremacist, on 18 June 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Atomfire, Vandal, I appreciate the back up against these awful attacks on my person.
Oh and Azantia, it was your unit that was scouted. How does it feel to have a unit that had all their kills divided between 3 people?
Is the rest of your unit part of the scenery?

No one significant supports you, the evidence is their lack of support for you on the forums.
If they wont go against the AFFS CoC on the forums (why should they?), how will they go against the AFFS CoC in game. (why would they?)

AFFS CoC has only good sides to it, there is not a single thing lost when aligning with the AFFS CoC, everyone can see this, and this explains why you are alone and without support.

I hope your unit enjoys having to defend the same planet by yourselves against wave after wave of goon invasion forces, all around the clock, getting plastered. I think thats a good recipe for the disintegration of a unit through bad command. I want to know what your pride will finally cost you once your troops start refusing to fight it alone.

how dense are you? you believe cause no one else is posting that we have no support? No one else cares to bother posting here. They know I can take care of myself, and that I can continue to draw out what you and the rest of the "old guard" are really about.

A CoC isnt even necessary as it stands right now, because you cant control a house, only a merc unit. Likewise only a merc unit can hold a planet. Do your research if you are going to play. Likewise we will not even have community warfare at launch, and IF it comes to the day that you CAN control house units and dictate where you go, individual unit alliances, filled with skilled players will always be just as good, if not better than these large "CoC". NBT4 leagues had plenty of house CoC's and they got absolutely torn apart by more organized, more skilled teams and alliances.

And keep in mind : you have no idea what good vs bad command is, you think you do, but you have only done it in a game. Real proven combat leaders will always have a leg up on "virtual" ones in war games, because they have done it with real lives on the line. There is nothing here on my side about Ego. I have not once talked about how great I am, how great my unit is or the like. Likewise I dont care about personal attacks or standing alone in the thread.

I do have a problem with ego driven individuals who talk smack just to talk and who put forth ideas like a CoC only because leading a unit isnt enough for them. Their ego dictates that they need "more" people under their command. Its easy to spot these people, they say they want it for the good of the community, but really only participate if they are "in command". Likewise you can spot these people by the stance they take when it comes to a unit : They dont consider quality over quantity because their ego doesnt allow them to have individuals beneath them that are better than they are. (remind you of someone?)
I will readily admit that many people possess critical skills that I do not have. Likewise I will readily admit that there will probably be better leaders and better units than ours. An egotistical person is not capable of this. (Again remind you of someone?)

but clearly you have me pegged. If the CoC is so well accepted, then why are we still discussing it? Havent all the units joined up, since its a no-brainer?

Why is there another thread, just recently created discussing this and saying "we need to get organized?"

Exactly.

As for being online 100% of the time protecting planets blah blah blah. Its obviously much more important to you, than it is to us, which is great. Here is a shocker to think about : Im sure that this issue will be addressed, discussed and balanced by PGI when they are ready to bring out community warfare.

It will be one of the first things discussed, as it has been in every league prior to this one. "What stops my opponent from logging in at 4am to take my hard earned planets?"

trying to use that factor as a way to belittle me or invalidate my point of view or stance on the issue is not only narrow-minded, but extremely presumptuous...

Simple fact of the matter is, no one has any clue how the community warfare will play out yet, but what we do know, based on what the devs have stated : No one will be able to lead a house, period end of story. Regardless of what you do to belittle me or argue, until we get an update which says otherwise, the conversation is dead, for that reason.

now unit alliances, full of "merc corps" is another issue all together.

Any other arguments or comments on my point of view, or my leadership abilities?

I will be waiting for the next round of amusing banter.

Edited by Azantia, 18 June 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[Vandal]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

*shrug* If you think calling me names or trying to turn my argument around on me will make me leave or change my general stance you are wrong. You are entitled to your opinion, as is Atomfire.

You dont know me and have no idea how much of an asset I am to my team or my house. Just because I disagree with "the old guard" and dont want to be part of their little CoC doesnt mean a damn thing. My own skills and unit will speak for itself when the time comes.

I personally dont know the goons, but we have several members from clans and units that have played against them in tanks and in eve...They are very beatable, and havent even been around in the tanks clan wars cause they have been getting spanked all over from mediocre units at best.

The goons like to use their visa cards to get a quick jump out the gate, but lack staying power. As I have heard all over from people who have played against them. I have heard they are decent, but certainly not as good as they claim to be, and clearly not a group that stays in a community for long term. The next shiny new game that launches and they will be long gone, sooner if they start losing alot (like in tanks) I would be more worried about some of the "Real" house liao units that have been playing for years. House Jurai in particular, but several others are dangerous. Likewise, the DCMS has alot of great pilots which give me more of a pause than anyone who talks the talk, but seems to fall short in the walking the walk category.

Talking about how good you are is a good indicator you know your unit isnt.
Its the ones that dont protest their skills repeatedly that you need to worry about. Cause they know that their skill speaks for itself.

Yo aight i'mma tell you a secret because you seem to be operating under the impression of a falsehood, perhaps based on a lack of quality in your information corps. Goons operate under 3 different clans in World of Tanks, together they control a good chunk of western europe. [NDP], the top goon clan, still has the most victories and most completed matches of any clan currently fighting in world of tanks, I'm not quite sure where you are getting this information that we are bad at games from, might wanna have a closer look at those sources if they are feeding you false information.

Edited by Vandal, 18 June 2012 - 04:14 PM.

[Supremacist]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

I personally dont know the goons, but we have several members from clans and units that have played against them in tanks and in eve...They are very beatable, and havent even been around in the tanks clan wars cause they have been getting spanked all over from mediocre units at best.
...... sooner if they start losing alot (like in tanks) I would be more worried about some of the "Real" house liao units that have been playing for years.

World of tanks? Beat us?
http://worldoftanks.com/uc/clanwars/
Our unit is ranked First in Battles, Second in provinces captured and First in total victories.

See if you can figure out what the name of the goon unit is with this information. Show us how smart you are.

Your ignorance of our success in World of tanks is understandable, but eve?
Eve? Easily the most famous of our sucessful campaigns and you're talking about people who were able to beat us? What does this even mean when we won?
This is like saying The Chicago Bulls never won a title because they didnt sweep all their opponents in the playoffs.
Sit down kid.

Edited by Supremacist, 18 June 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[Azantia]

Cute, but pointless.
using your analogy : It eve, it would be playing the game with double or triple the amount of players on the court....i.e. easy victory that would require no skill....

likewise, fighting against lesser units will always pad a victory total. In tanks, what you fail to mention is that alot of the units are catching up and in a few weeks will overtake you, i.e. you are now playing against teams that are better than you and are losing.

having three teams and controlling more territory does not suggest skill, it suggests more numbers.

You readily admit that you have thee units in world of tanks but fail to identify the other two cause they are nothing special. I would bet that you dont even let your entire "unit" participate in battles, just your best 15, which is fine, but once again goes against the idea of fair play and doesnt mean your unit is elite. It means you have 15 good gamers.

You are right about one thing though, you are a thing of a past. You should stick to eve/tanks and not sully up the battletech universe with your "im better than you" mentality. The community doesnt need such immature drivel.

in the end, it means nothing, we will see who is who when the game launches. I think its the goons that will be plastered all over, cause I know at least 6 good units that are gunning for you, and another good portion are gunning for House Liao period. Sooner you guys move on, the sooner this community can quit holding its nose and get back to what it does best.

Edited by Azantia, 18 June 2012 - 04:53 PM.

[Vandal]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Cute, but pointless.
using your analogy : It eve, it would be playing the game with double or triple the amount of players on the court....i.e. easy victory that would require no skill....

likewise, fighting against lesser units will always pad a victory total. In tanks, what you fail to mention is that alot of the units are catching up and in a few weeks will overtake you, i.e. you are now playing against teams that are better than you and are losing.

having three teams and controlling more territory does not suggest skill, it suggests more numbers.

You readily admit that you have thee units in world of tanks but fail to identify the other two cause they are nothing special. I would bet that you dont even let your entire "unit" participate in battles, just your best 15, which is fine, but once again goes against the idea of fair play and doesnt mean your unit is elite. It means you have 15 good gamers.

You are right about one thing though, you are a thing of a past. You should stick to eve/tanks and not sully up the battletech universe with your "im better than you" mentality. The community doesnt need such immature drivel.

in the end, it means nothing, we will see who is who when the game launches. I think its the goons that will be plastered all over, cause I know at least 6 good units that are gunning for you, and another good portion are gunning for House Liao period. Sooner you guys move on, the sooner this community can quit holding its nose and get back to what it does best.

Being full of old people that apparently hate each other's guts?

[Atomfire]

Azantia, on 18 June 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Cute, but pointless.
using your analogy : It eve, it would be playing the game with double or triple the amount of players on the court....i.e. easy victory that would require no skill....

likewise, fighting against lesser units will always pad a victory total. In tanks, what you fail to mention is that alot of the units are catching up and in a few weeks will overtake you, i.e. you are now playing against teams that are better than you and are losing.

having three teams and controlling more territory does not suggest skill, it suggests more numbers.

You readily admit that you have thee units in world of tanks but fail to identify the other two cause they are nothing special. I would bet that you dont even let your entire "unit" participate in battles, just your best 15, which is fine, but once again goes against the idea of fair play and doesnt mean your unit is elite. It means you have 15 good gamers.

You are right about one thing though, you are a thing of a past. You should stick to eve/tanks and not sully up the battletech universe with your "im better than you" mentality. The community doesnt need such immature drivel.

in the end, it means nothing, we will see who is who when the game launches. I think its the goons that will be plastered all over, cause I know at least 6 good units that are gunning for you, and another good portion are gunning for House Liao period. Sooner you guys move on, the sooner this community can quit holding its nose and get back to what it does best.

I'm no ace at Mechwarrior, but I know arrogance when I see it, the Goons should be able to too since Band of Brothers was known as one of the most arrogant alliances in EVE and the Goons were against them and won.