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[Krivvan]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Also if u see the 6-8 ppl focus fire on one when when its in the midst of combat, its obvious.

You know, when only one mech is an obvious target then 6-8 people on the enemy team will focus fire it. Even then, I've led PUG teams and told them which targets to focus fire.

[Bigbaddaboom]

Asmosis, on 31 October 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

getting 60-70k for a 2 minute match vs a good premade doesnt exactly ruin your cbill grind. Maybe your epeen, but thats it.

and really thats what most players are doing right now. 70% of the puggers (myself included) wouldnt even realise they ran into a premade since the goal is to go down in a blaze of glory as fast as possible.

(occasionally doing Arial headshots on an Atlas using a Jenner from 80m above )

people like you are just as bad for this game as premades, try to actually help your team and maybe even win.

[KharnZor]

Bigbaddaboom, on 31 October 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

you just suggested getting in a premade.. WTF?

I dont see a problem with grouping up with matchmaking as it is.

[Digital Ninja]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

What a way to welcome new players to the game by making them unable to earn cbills while the worthless premade grief new players all their way to the release date and beyond.

Not much point gearing up when the next match u went into is full of premade and say hi to 100k repair bills.

So when can we expect griefing to stop or is this just premade online?

By the time this game hit release, this griefers would already be fully module'd and loaded, once again thanks to griefing

ps. to those idiots who want premade proof

eg.
superboy vs noob dragon
giantmole vs nova dragon
hercul3z vs giant dragon
y3llowcow vs baby dragon
heromonk3y vs cute dragon
etc etc...

Dont need a brain to know which group is premade. Also if u see the 6-8 ppl focus fire on one when when its in the midst of combat, its obvious.

There needs to be a block button on this forum.

[Ensaine]

Try this:
http://mwomercs.com/...yers-important/

[Aileen Dover]

You know I've played quite a few rounds with a 4 man lance (don't like term pre-made - implies tactics which we dont really do very well ). What I've found is that most games are either we are roflstomped or we roflstomp, on a 50-50 scale. A lot of the time a awesome is sat on a hill and firing his lrms all fine and dandy till my cicada runs up. Then he instead of trying to fend me off with his lasers he fires all his lrms and lasers! Well the lrms bounce and and he over heats with little damage done to me.

After he is dead he then (most of the time) shouts out in local chat that this game Sux and rages off.

...bit of a tangent there...

Anyway what i'm saying is that half the time people are dying due to not knowing enough about the game. That awesome pilot didn't know that lrms bounce off at close range and i couldn't tell him that because he raged off bounded onto here blaming pre-mades and the like.

Even though his team kicked my lances ***...

There are Pre-mades everyone knows that but i don't think there is that many, its mostly new players not understanding the mechanics. I think that a tutorial and better instruction would help lots of new players, that and swapping out those crappy trial mechs.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Lefteye, on 31 October 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

It's very easy to lose and scream "PREMADE!". Truth is, there isn't that many premades out there and 75% of your "losses to a premade!" are probably just badly played games.

One thing too many newbies fail to realize is that while it's quite easy to get into the game, there's A LOT you can do to improve yourself (as a pilot) and your 'mech. Sure, if you happen to be in a terrible team then you will lose, but that has little to do with your opponent.

The final implementation of matchmaking by PGI won't necessarily fix your problem.

My suggested solutions echo everyone else's:

1) Find some people to play with. Doesn't have to be a full premade. Even just one person you can coordinate with (and talk to) make the whole thing much more enjoyable and more efficient. The more the better. Next time you read someone else complaining in chat about premades, ask him to band up with you so you can queue together next round.

2) Analyze your playstyle and try to understand what you could do differently. Or if you should just use a 'mech that covers a different role.

Premades are in all games. This is a team game. Time to form your team, or just do what you can by yourself.

For the record, I have NEVER grouped with anyone since about the July beta. I have about 1000 played games, all solo. And I have lots of fun and games seem fair enough to me. Sure, my "stats" aren't that great (about 50% losses - 50% wins), but who cares? To be honest, I have never really understood all the complains about premades. Are we people playing the same game at all?

+1 this and QFT...can some1 pin any post like this so whinners can read it?
We r running premades and we was owned even by puggers(they capped and we had no light mechs left ) so what.

Ure terrible pilost and ure not able to take command and try to command 7 ppl?No its better to make whinner topic on forums right?And u think it will help ya.Naaah just more ppl gonna hate ya

[rythex]

Don't even try convincing the mouth breathers it alienates new players, they're biased because it's no more wipes so they gotta farm up those bill's

[Enigmos]

You don't gain effectiveness by magic, and a team does not coordinate by telepathy.

You know there is a problem when you lose ten out of ten.

A thoughtful player will understand that inexperience is part of the cause. The experience of the opposing force is another part. True, this part of the imbalance can be attributed to the rudimentary state of the matchmaker. You should have seen what it was like before it even matched classes: eight hunchies -vs- eight atlas is not pretty. This matchmaker is at least a start.

But.

You should also own your part of the problem instead of simply blaming your tools.

Your tools are not your master, the craftsman must master his tools. This requires conscientious practice. It isn't always fun. Once you have mastered your tools then you will not only find more opportunity for fun, you will also have some pride in your accomplishment.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

rgreat, on 31 October 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

I expect whiners to log off and never post again.

And that's what they will do. They will also never put money into the game. Not very good logic there.

KharnZor, on 31 October 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

I dont see a problem with grouping up with matchmaking as it is.

Then you must be delusional and off your medication. Current MM is horrible and most games are horribly skewed to the premade queuers.

[Greyfyl]

Lord Cochrane, on 31 October 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Doesn't take long to type 'focus A,B,C,D,E...'.

So why do premades with C3 or TS at all then if communicating in-game is soooo easy and effective?

[Greyfyl]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 31 October 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

+1 this and QFT...can some1 pin any post like this so whinners can read it?
We r running premades and we was owned even by puggers(they capped and we had no light mechs left ) so what.

Ure terrible pilost and ure not able to take command and try to command 7 ppl?No its better to make whinner topic on forums right?And u think it will help ya.Naaah just more ppl gonna hate ya

My 9 year old has better grammer skills than you do.

I've done my share of TS and C3 during CB; and to all those that keep insisting that 'there aren't really that many premades' ...you are delusional. I've played mornings and evenings the last 2 days thanks to the hurricane shutting down my work. In the mornings there are actually very few premades - I would say about 1 in 10 games AT MOST.

But the evenings are the polar opposite, I would say at least every other game was vs a premade. Some of them really you couldn't be 100% sure that it was a premade, but team compostion and tactics sure made it look like a premade. Others were plainly obvious - I knew people on the other team or they were advertising their leet clan during the match.

Often all you have to do is ask if it's a premade and you will be surprised at the ridiculous angry responses you get in return.

Edited by Greyfyl, 31 October 2012 - 04:31 AM.

[Kaijin]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Nah I`ll take my chances and run around with 0 equipment on my jenner and try to cap without getting a single dmg, obviously if its a premade I`ll shutdown and hide in the darkest corner, afterall I`m not gonna spend a single cbills repair because of griefer noobs.

Pretty good deal considering 7-9 / 10 games are full of griefers. Many puggers doing the same anyway, cept they all use trail mechs even when they have enough cash to buy a mech themselves, to save cbills from griefers

I like playing hide and seek, especially with players who gimp their team with worthless builds.

[Congzilla]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Also if u see the 6-8 ppl focus fire on one when when its in the midst of combat, its obvious.

I love that. "If I see people play the game correctly I know they are in a group."

[Agent of Change]

Two things:

1. The opponents of premades keep saying the term griefing and i'm not sure they are clear on what it means, here let me help:

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A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.

Ok so lets review folks, A griefer:

• Deliberately irritates and harrasses other players - Well i can't say i haven't seen some premade players do this but I also would be lying if I said I didn't see just as many if not more PUG players also do the same, But in either case not enough to indict an entire chuck of the gaming population
  
• Uses aspects of the game in unintended ways - Well lets see, MWO is stated to be a team focused game and PGI even provided a voice client to use (two if you consider the original TS server), and they gave us a group buiilding mechanic in game, Nope... as far as premades are concerned no Unintended use abuse happening there
  
• Derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users - Well I can't speak for all premade players but 99% of all of the ones I've played with/against have mostly just wanted to fight with big robots and derived pleasure "primarily or exclusively" from a good fight and an earned win, and playing and chatting with friends while doing so.
  
• Cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals - Since premades are not (as discussed before) breaking or bending unintended consequences there are no penalties in place to punish intended core game mechanics.

So now that we've covered why you should stop using that word without looking like you can't understand the english language let's cover the second and more important point.


2. Though premades are not grouping to deliberately ruin anyone day (and are primarily people wanting to blow mechs up with friends though some can be dicks) the match-maker is broken. PGI is working on a plan to fix the Matchmaker, while some aspects of that process are objectionable, and many feel splitting the community is a mistake, the match-maker will be fixed and then Premades will no longer be your whipping boy (they will be happily fighting other premades) and you'll have to find a new excuse when you lose because you were not organized (which you can do even in a PUG).

Edited by Agent of Change, 31 October 2012 - 05:02 AM.

[Stone Wall]

Welcome to the MechWarrior universe.

With any MechWarrior game that has ever been online, you're going to get many games where it's you and a team of new people Vs. a whole clan that is fully geared and coordinated.

There is little you can do because:

1) you're out gunned
2) you're out teamed

Just take the loss, try and gather some C Bills, and look for a Clan to join.

[Pangorin]

Greyfyl, on 31 October 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

My 9 year old has better grammer skills than you do.

This is something that doesn´t matter for the discussion!!!
I did not know where he is from but I would guess he is from Czech Republic and that means english isn´t his mother language! So you do not need to blame him for this! You might if you would speak his language as good as he can speak yours!

[RedHairDave]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Dont need a brain to know which group is premade. Also if u see the 6-8 ppl focus fire on one when when its in the midst of combat, its obvious.

so when you see other puggers who are just better than you and can see which mech is being targeted by others(you know that triangle on top of their head, if its empty, no one is targeting them, if its full, they are being targeted) they are obviously a premade? just try to play better, and focus fire better and you will do fine. if you cant manage that alone(and not everyone can, not an insult at all, i can come off that way, but its not intended.) join a group, let them train you. with a little time and patience you will be focus firing with the best of them, and also doing everything else that is required to win.

if you want, 1st-rangers.com join us, i will teach you. when i pug, i still focus fire and work with the team, did 5 pug drops this morning and didnt hit a premade though. come to think of it, i only run into premades maybe 1 in 10 games pugging.

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[color=#959595]Nah I`ll take my chances and run around with 0 equipment on my jenner and try to cap without getting a single dmg, obviously if its a premade I`ll shutdown and hide in the darkest corner, afterall I`m not gonna spend a single cbills repair because of griefer noobs.[/color]

so your complaint is its hard to beat a team, your answer to this is make it even harder for others on your team to win by being totally useless. good answer. you really figured it out didnt ya. ya know if it wasnt for griefers like this, puggers would likely do much better vs premades. how can the ones who want to win, do that when people on their team are just there to mess around.

Edited by RedHairDave, 31 October 2012 - 05:12 AM.

[Tando]

I play almost exclucively premade, however I will give you and any other who are willing to listen. These are pointers on how to win.

1. Do not CHARGE blindly into the other team. Unless you are using point three (see below) You will die, you force them to focus fire because you are the only target. Patience is not only a virtue it will keep you alive.

2. Sent out Scouts. Light fast movers to see which way the enemy is going. The biggest thing that is not done by scouts or brawlers (2/3 to all weapons 300m or less) is they do not use "R"

3. Stay together! If you have max range of 300m or less for the majority of your weapons stay out of LOS (Line of Sight). Let the scouts find the enemy and react to them.

4. If you are long range find a good spot to shoot from and when the scouts do will do their jobs so you can see the enemy to bring LRM to the party. Gauss, PPC, ERPPC or 600m+ Autocannons use "H" for thermal and look for heat signatures for direct fire. But remember you have a heat profile as well and can be return fired upon so make sure that your chosen spot can be easily retreated from i.e. if you are on a hill make sure you can walk backward and get the hill/building whatever you are standing on between you and the enemy

5. You might say that all of those points require you to be in a premade on TS. I just gave tips on how to play in a total PUG and if you as a solo player follow those guidelines you will at least have a more enhanced expirence with hopefully less death. Remember at the beginning I stated I played ALMOST exclucively premade?

HOWEVER this is a team based game that require team based tactics, so talking on TS or some other voip is not just a good idea it will enhance the game by leaps and bounds. The first TS server was actually opened by PGI, that should tell you something.

[FLes]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

What a way to welcome new players to the game by making them unable to earn cbills while the worthless premade grief new players all their way to the release date and beyond.
(...)

You missunderstood. This is team based game, not a deathmatch. Premades are not the problem, it's the rest of you noobs who fail to realise that MW is supposed to be played in a team using voice chat. You even have a sticky on the forum with the adress of MWO Teamspeak channel. I sure as hell won't drag myself down to your level so you could earn some more c-bills.