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[Barnaby Jones]

Pursang, you have missed the point in your blatent anti founders bigotry.

Every single player can grind up to the exact same mechs, or they can put their wallet where their mouth is and buy some MC.

The point is if you want more rewards (cbills) kill the meat, not the metal.

[Undead Bane]

It can be rewarded differently - with fun from teamplay.
I, personally, shoot off enemy's weapons (as a assault sniper/brawler) to help my team get less damage, as shooting torsos or arms and ears is MUCH faster, than coring (unless you are against an awesome, then shoot the head).

But OP's point is 100% valid - be precise, get more money.

[LogicSol]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

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Yea, you're right; I have to alt-tab and surf the net until the round is over. Of course, if everyone would just run out and die, the round would be over more quickly...

Or you could watch and learn something.

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

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HAHAHAHA- OMG, you are serious, aren't you? THE TRIAL MECHS ARE INTENTIONALLY GIMPED!

If you team wins, you make about 35k more for the win bonus, and between 10k-100k for salvage.
If your team killed all the enemy mechs you would get an extra 2k for everyone you at least shot, if you spotted for your team's LRM mechs you would get 2k for each spot.
Your weapons still do the same damage as a custom mechs, so if you stay near the battle you can kill damaged enemies.

And it's fully possible to win in a trial mech. I've done it many times. All it takes is a bit of team work, some luck, and most importantly, actually trying.

So. 60k for a loss were you did next to nothing. Or 150k for a win were you put in some effort.
You won't get the win every time, but why are you even playing if you aren't going to try.

[PYM Scorn]

Well stated and WELL PLAYED Vlad.

[Codejack]

LogicSol, on 31 October 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Or you could watch and learn something.


If you team wins, you make about 35k more for the win bonus, and between 10k-100k for salvage.
If your team killed all the enemy mechs you would get an extra 2k for everyone you at least shot, if you spotted for your team's LRM mechs you would get 2k for each spot.
Your weapons still do the same damage as a custom mechs, so if you stay near the battle you can kill damaged enemies.

And it's fully possible to win in a trial mech. I've done it many times. All it takes is a bit of team work, some luck, and most importantly, actually trying.

So. 60k for a loss were you did next to nothing. Or 150k for a win were you put in some effort.
You won't get the win every time, but why are you even playing if you aren't going to try.

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually kill something. How is this hard to understand?

[Mad Pig]

Kill the meat. Save the metal.

Shame what happened to Dead Eye in the end... he was just misunderstood. But his word's ring true, more now than ever.

[Krondor]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually kill something. How is this hard to understand?

It's also going to be funny when you do finally get your new mech, you go out expecting to be l33t pwnz0rz, and still get wiped and end up with 100k repair bills because you didn't bother to learn anything in the trial mech.

Edited by Krondor, 31 October 2012 - 06:19 PM.

[Psikez]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually killsomething. How is this hard to understand?

Your petulant tone makes people want to disagree with you regardless if you have a valid point or not

[Endarius]

Krondor, on 31 October 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

It's also going to be funny when you do finally get your new mech, you go out expecting to be l33t pwnz0rz, and still get wiped and end up with 100k repair bills because you didn't bother to learn anything in the trial mech.

Pretty much. The Current trial awesome is the base variant closed beta testers have been most commonly using for well over a month now.

[Codejack]

You guys understand that your entire premise rests on the fact that you are generally fighting people in vastly inferior mechs than you, right? You are in for a surprise when the proportion of new players drops off and you don't have any more LRM-fodder to beat up on.

At any rate, your general disregard for your fellow player and unique ability to ignore facts contrary to your preconceived notions make people want to not play the same game as you. Good luck, and I'll see you in the next mechwarrior MMO!

[Stone Wall]

This happened in the MW3 single player. You wanted to salvage the mechs. You didn't want to blow the mechs into a million pieces.

[Bagheera]

Psikez, on 31 October 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Your petulant tone makes people want to disagree with you regardless if you have a valid point or not

Yeah, that doesn't help. Also doesn't help that his point, while numerically valid in the sense of earning FakeMoneyUnits, completely misses the point of playing the game, griefs the players on his team, is utterly erroneous in its inference that one has to purchase a mech to kill something, and lacking in the forsight to realize that once said mech is purchased the person making the point will be on the hook for upkeep while they repeatedly die because their core concept is that the mech gets kills, not the player.

So yeah, other than that and the foul attitude, totally valid.

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

You guys understand that your entire premise rests on the fact that you are generally fighting people in vastly inferior mechs than you, right? You are in for a surprise when the proportion of new players drops off and you don't have any more LRM-fodder to beat up on.

What if I told you that there is as much LRM fire coming from trial AWS drivers as there is coming from people with non trial mechs?

Edited by Bagheera, 31 October 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[Stone Wall]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

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HAHAHAHA- OMG, you are serious, aren't you? THE TRIAL MECHS ARE INTENTIONALLY GIMPED!

nah bro. I signed on today and played for the first time in weeks and killed someone with a stock Jenner. keep practicing and you might get there some day.

[Lorcan Lladd]

Am I the only one whom has found it very fitting that a clanner should be the one to prioritize salvage and individual performance during a match?

Other than that, I suppose anyone whom is in it for the C-bills might as well boat Pulse Lasers or mount a Gauss Rifle and rediscover the lost art of legging.
It's a good topic, though.

Edited by Lorcan Lladd, 31 October 2012 - 06:39 PM.

[Psikez]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

You guys understand that your entire premise rests on the fact that you are generally fighting people in vastly inferior mechs than you, right? You are in for a surprise when the proportion of new players drops off and you don't have any more LRM-fodder to beat up on.

At any rate, your general disregard for your fellow player and unique ability to ignore facts contrary to your preconceived notions make people want to not play the same game as you. Good luck, and I'll see you in the next mechwarrior MMO!

Petulant.

[Accident]

Do you get salvage if you lose the match? If not then it seems that burning through matches is still probably the best way to go if you're pugging since you probably won't be winning more than half your games and potentially a lot less depending on matchmaking. If you're in a premade I guess this would let you maximise cbill game, but really any strategy you play should do alright at that time as you should be winning most of your games with the accompanying bonus to cbills.

These caveats aside your point is certainly taken, and really reinforces that some sort of tutorial is sorely lacking in this game. Maybe when PGI switches around the rewards system next week they should make a video explaining what exactly you get cbills for in the game, talk about spotting, damage, salvage, base capping etc. As well as what will get you no money (suiciding afking etc).

-Accident

[LogicSol]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually kill something. How is this hard to understand?

We are playing the same game, you just don't understand how to play it.
I've run many drops in both the CN9-AL trial and the AWE-8T trial. Both mechs deliver. Hell, my custom cn9-AL has the same laser loadout, but with SRMs instead of LRMs.

But since you are so in denial, guess i'll have to record some video for you.

Krondor, on 31 October 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

It's also going to be funny when you do finally get your new mech, you go out expecting to be l33t pwnz0rz, and still get wiped and end up with 100k repair bills because you didn't bother to learn anything in the trial mech.

This

[xMEPHISTOx]

First off...great post OP.

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

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Yea, you're right; I have to alt-tab and surf the net until the round is over. Of course, if everyone would just run out and die, the round would be over more quickly...




HAHAHAHA- OMG, you are serious, aren't you? THE TRIAL MECHS ARE INTENTIONALLY GIMPED!

Yet when i play my free acct w/my trial awesome i tend to do just fine. I dont play it as often as my founders but in 14 games on my f2p acct I have earned 1.2m credits and have a positive k/d ratio with a total of 12 kills. I will admit that the trial mechs are not great but what may hinder your performance more is your attitude and lack of willingness to make an effort.
I think you will suck in any mech you pilot with your crap lousy expect everything free attitude. Grow up and put a little effort in and you can earn that which you desire...whining will get you no where.

Edited by xMEPHISTOx, 31 October 2012 - 07:10 PM.

[Squigles]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually kill something. How is this hard to understand?

This tired old argument again? Back in closed beta, being an above average hand on the stick, I decided to run the trial mechs thoroughly just to see if they were as bad as "some" people were making them out to be.

Results for the Awesome-8T trials (The best trial of the set of 4 mind you), average of 2 kills per match, averaged 2nd for highest damage in match (ranged from 1st to 4th in total damage per match), and outperformed roughly 90% of the custom mechs (I can't confirm they were all custom, some may have been stock non-trials) on the field of battle in terms of damage output. (Can't give an XP comparison because, well, trials get no XP). These trials were the aggregated total for 16 matches.

All that being said, the dragon trial is a steaming pile of offal. So no comment if you're complaining about that one.

tl;dr 75% of the trials (the dragon is crap) are eminently competitive, it's the person in the cockpit that determines if the mech holds it's own or gets wrecked immediately.

[0zz]

Codejack, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME.

Yes, I can go out, run around, empty every round out of every weapon straight into the cockpit and have my heatsinks melting into the empty magazines, and if I'm in the awesome and I'm shooting at a jenner, he might die. In any case, I will then be running around waiting for my heat to go down while I get LRM'd into a smoking hole in the ground.

Or, I can play browser games while I wait until I have enough money for a mech that can actually kill something. How is this hard to understand?

Wow, we really AREN'T playing the same game. I've been using the trial Dragon since yesterday and I was RIPPING some of these "founders" mech to shreds, ESPECIALLY LRM boats. Your game difficulty must have been artificially increased somehow!

A tool is only as good as its user, learn your mech. I finally earned enough to get my first mech, which was the 5 energy HP Cicada. Guess what, I took down ATLASes and CATAs with 4 small lasers, it's worse than most trial mechs since the Cicada I'm in has only the default heatsink, next to no armour, and I'm running a TAG to help with the LRMs which unfortunately doesn't help much half the time cause doornobs like you afks or insist on shotgunning them <180m where they don't work. The only plus side is the speed on which I can cap/counter cap/****.

While you afk for chump change of 60k, I'm almost on my way to my second mech since I can earn up to 200k in a single match. It would be a lot faster if I don't have to waste time reporting AFKers LIKE YOU to Support so that you can eventually be removed from the game or punished otherwise (we really need a blacklist for ppls we don't want to play/be matched with, ie. known intentional AFKers) for the griefing you are bringing to the game.

FFS, from the sound of it, even if we DO give you a founder Atlas, you'd STILL whine and afk cause you would just go and lose to a light/cicada since you've learned NOTHING with the trial mechs. Overheating? Learn to place your shots and RUN. Can't aim? PRACTICE. Mech too tricky? Use another trial mech that suit your taste, the Dragon and the Catas were the only ones worth using for me and I ended up loving the AC/5 on the Dragon too much. Too stupid? No cure for that yet, sorry, although I hear LEARNING and PRACTICING helps with most mental impairments.


Edit: I just find it funny that squigles hates the dragon while I love it. Just to proves that it's the user's preference, playstyle and skill level that determines a trial mech's worth.

Edited by 0zz, 31 October 2012 - 07:23 PM.