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[ScrewCityChris]

I mean it worked with Golden Eye and is a totally legit game mode, since only one mech could have have the gun at a time. It could be modeled off of a gauss rifle. It would of course be a one shot kill no matter what. Just like Golden Eye

Mech with the Golden Gauss mode maybe?

Since mechs have hands they could just pick up the gauss rifle, and since clans are OP anyway, they couldn't pick it up since they don't have usually have hands. Oh man, maybe this is how we can balance against the clans?! When the mech carrying the Golden Gauss dies, the mechs can rush to the Gauss and pick it up, and the fun continues. Plus, since its a handheld gun, convergence would be super fast because it would be so much faster for a mech to move it onto target.

Of course the Golden Gauss can't have ammo or heat because this would unnecessarily handicap mechs with few heat sinks, low tonnage, etc.

Thoughts?

[Skwisgaar Skwigelf]

How can you not let Clans partake? They need every advantage they can get.

[Orcinus]

[ScrewCityChris]

Hrm, maybe the golden gauss could have like, magnets or something to hold it to the mechs "arms"?

Edited by ScrewCityChris, 06 April 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[Zaius Ex]

Oooh! How about this: The person who holds the golden gauss for 10~15 minutes automatically becomes the head of their House?

[ScrewCityChris]

No no, thats op. I could see maybe a medal or something but lets not go too far.

[Oswin Aurelius]

I'm just going to assume you're all doing a bit of drinking, seeing as you're all in the FRR. What other explanation is there for a thread like this? XD

[Zaius Ex]

ScrewCityChris, on 06 April 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

No no, thats op. I could see maybe a medal or something but lets not go too far.

Ok so you get a Mech with the Golden Gauss medal, but what can you do with them? Trade em in for unique mech props like dog tags, top hats, monocles, etc.?

[GDL Irishwarrior]

Zaius Ex, on 06 April 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Ok so you get a Mech with the Golden Gauss medal, but what can you do with them? Trade em in for unique mech props like dog tags, top hats, monocles, etc.?

You are correct, good sir

[DeformedSlowest]

So basically in a game where there will be limited or no respawns, you can technically decimate people's mech garage? I believe that the devs said there's a "hot drop" respawn mode where each "life" you have is your next mech that's functional. Not sure if I would partake in a that kind of match where my mechs can be destroyed in a single shot and I have to rebuilt them from scratch again.

[Tvae]

Oswin Aurelius, on 06 April 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

I'm just going to assume you're all doing a bit of drinking, seeing as you're all in the FRR. What other explanation is there for a thread like this? XD

It's so weird that you mentioned this... I have to admit, I'm a bit on the tipsy side myself atm, but as soon as I read the OP the first thought that popped into my head is that the OP must have been drinking. I can't explain it at all, it just felt like a 6th-sense-he-was-drunk sort of feeling while reading it. Not that it affects anything, really, it just made me laugh that you brought it up too.

Anyway... It's an interesting idea, but would be utmost hell to balance. So, unless it could be refined a great deal, I have to say I'm against the basic idea. Forbidding mechs without hands from using the gauss rifle, for a start, is a very non-specific way of choosing which mechs can and can't use it. A game mode specifically centered around a specific mechanic cannot function correctly if a player is forced into choosing an option which is against their norm (learning the specifics of a mech with arms if their main is one without) in order to take advantage of that mechanic.

There are other issues, but that issue alone, until it can be resolved, brings the idea to a grinding halt in my opinion (if some other way to mount to item were introduced, this problem could potentially be overridden, but there are others issues which also arrise in regards to this game mode...)

Other issues include:
- Light mechs with the gun vs. Heavy mechs with it. Generally, light mechs have their mobility balanced by having weaker weapons and armor. GIving one such a powerful weapon could, in the hands of the right pilot, be devastating.
-Also relating to mech weight (in a post after mine), slower mechs (generally heavier ones and the urbie) would be easier targets for a weapon specifically designed to be stronger than is normally available, and therefore would be weaker in regards to trying to go against it. (It just seems like Assault mechs are at an all-around disadvantage in regards to a game mode such as this, doesn't it? )
- Respawns. As was pointed out in a previous post, something which gives you massive advantages towards beating an opponent are statistically unfair in a situation where the opponent only has one (or at most a few) chances to defeat you. Easily avoided by increasing the life count, but that is its own issue which would have to be dealt with in due time.
- Balancing the weapon itself. Similar to the first point, the strength of the weapon would need to be very carefully finetuned, as this is a much more technical game than most shooters (the design of the mech itself, in addition to pilot skill, is very important in most Mechwarrior related cases, as opposed to normal shooters which are balanced upon either weapons any player could obtain, or on the skill of the individual player).

Edited by Tvae, 06 April 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[Fetladral]

Oswin Aurelius, on 06 April 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

I'm just going to assume you're all doing a bit of drinking, seeing as you're all in the FRR. What other explanation is there for a thread like this? XD

Well I have a tankard of mead in front of me (not counting the 3 empty ones that are off to the side).

Maybe after 5 minutes of holding the Golden Gauss a Golden LRM pod is added? 10 minutes a Golden SRM or AC 20. If you somehow manage to survive 30 minutes (if a battle goes that long for some obscure reason) your mech (even if it's an Atlas) becomes the size of an Elemental.



But the thing with this mode is like with Goldeneye (good old Goldeneye) it'd have to be free for all can't be team. Well until someone has the weapon then it's that person against everyone else.

And the one shot kill thing would only work if it's center torso or (unlikely) a head shot. With how mechs are designed they can lose an arm, leg, left/right torso and still function. Not like the human body where if hit in the arm or leg it could hit an artery and you could die.

Edited by Fetladral, 06 April 2012 - 07:15 PM.

[SweetJackal]

Ignoring the vast differences between Goldeneye for the N64 and anything made within the last year, let alone MW:O's stylish sim, this game mode wouldn't work out of the box.

A 1 shot wonder weapon that is the objective of the map completely scraps the entire Tonnage listing and point. An Atlas would be easier to take down than a Wasp.

I wouldn't be against "For the lolz" modes that would be in a mech simulator instead of on the battlefield. But as an alternative mode that offers progression, I would be voting a No.

[autogyro]

How can you have stuff like this when there's a persistent universe?

If there's a Golden Gun, it stands to reason someone manufactures Golden Guns, and hence, why aren't they mass producing it for greater profits, to all the available houses etc?

If it's non-canon rare lostech, why is it being used in battle? Shouldn't your Merc Company or faction House be reverse engineering it to produce more?

And how do Mechs exchange it in battle? It'll take likely months and hundreds of thousands of C-Bills to determine whether they're even able to integrate into your Chassis.

[Sug]

Mech with the gold gun is turned into a Fafnir and everyone else becomes an Urbanmech.

[Trevnor]

Say what? My brothers, your mead must be some powerful! This is a strange idea indeed...

[Kylarus]

Sug, on 06 April 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Mech with the gold gun is turned into a Fafnir and everyone else becomes an Urbanmech.

So OP, the Urbies would stomp that Fafnir. Everyone knows that.

[Taelon Zero]

how about just a gauss rifle insta-gib style mode, only take light and medium mechs to the party

[Hawkeye 72]

Zaius Ex, on 06 April 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Ok so you get a Mech with the Golden Gauss medal, but what can you do with them? Trade em in for unique mech props like dog tags, top hats, monocles, etc.?

GDL Irishwarrior, on 06 April 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

You are correct, good sir

THIS. I WANT THIS WITH THE GOLDEN GAUSS

Oswin Aurelius, on 06 April 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

I'm just going to assume you're all doing a bit of drinking, seeing as you're all in the FRR. What other explanation is there for a thread like this? XD

They have to be. Drunken FRR

[LordDeathStrike]

ScrewCityChris, on 06 April 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

I mean it worked with Golden Eye and is a totally legit game mode, since only one mech could have have the gun at a time. It could be modeled off of a gauss rifle. It would of course be a one shot kill no matter what. Just like Golden Eye

Mech with the Golden Gauss mode maybe?

Since mechs have hands they could just pick up the gauss rifle, and since clans are OP anyway, they couldn't pick it up since they don't have usually have hands. Oh man, maybe this is how we can balance against the clans?! When the mech carrying the Golden Gauss dies, the mechs can rush to the Gauss and pick it up, and the fun continues. Plus, since its a handheld gun, convergence would be super fast because it would be so much faster for a mech to move it onto target.

Of course the Golden Gauss can't have ammo or heat because this would unnecessarily handicap mechs with few heat sinks, low tonnage, etc.

Thoughts?

worst idea ever, you should be beaten with a golden stick (not a real gold stick, just a lead pipe painted gold).