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#21 MDzero

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

View PostVermaxx, on 01 November 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

One guy **** talking is not a premade.

I ran a few missions where I shouted "ZORTH!" at the beginning, and posted a fake email address. When we were about to win I shouted "ZORTH!" again. Trust me, they were not premades.


Was this in response to me? It was never just "one guy", it's always a group of players that spent money that are doing the premades and trash talking.

My friend and I have probably played 50-60 matches in the last couple days and more than a few of them chime in during the match. Granted we only seem to run into a premade like 10-15% of the time but still, it's extremely obvious when a guy says "are you guys a premade?" as they proceed to go 7-0 while saying "sorry for what we're about to do to you guys".

That's happened more than a handful of times so far. Though like I said premade matches end in only a couple minutes so it's not super frustrating since you're still rewarded with a nice chunk of money for losing.

Edited by MDzero, 01 November 2012 - 07:19 PM.


#22 SC1P1O

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

Its a complaint sure, but if its on the forums this much there is a statistically significant amount of posts that the Devs should seriously think about really fixing the match making. I dont expect it to be perfect but even a 4 limit on a premade will be very powerful if they play a pug team. I just think if they could have something that matched premades against premades and pugs against pugs it would be best for both sides. The premades actually can test thier skills against an equally competitive team and the pugs can duke it out realize we all suck but still laugh knowing at least we cant blame the premades. Its just very frustrating to come back to enjoy some MWO then get frustrated because your dying in 3 minutes.

#23 IIIuminaughty

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:19 PM

View PostVermaxx, on 01 November 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

One guy **** talking is not a premade.

I ran a few missions where I shouted "ZORTH!" at the beginning, and posted a fake email address. When we were about to win I shouted "ZORTH!" again. Trust me, they were not premades.


not if that 1 guy **** talking is on a premade team, so then it is **** talking...

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

View PostMDzero, on 01 November 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:


You can really tell when it's a premade, most of them gloat about how bad they rolled the opposite team and trash talk. Usually a premade will end a pug match in 2-3 minutes.


I've never been in a premade that's done this, and I've droppped in many.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

View PostStrataDragoon, on 01 November 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

more complaining...


It's almost as if everyone isn't exactly thrilled with the game.

#26 IIIuminaughty

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:22 PM

View PostSC1P1O, on 01 November 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Its a complaint sure, but if its on the forums this much there is a statistically significant amount of posts that the Devs should seriously think about really fixing the match making. I dont expect it to be perfect but even a 4 limit on a premade will be very powerful if they play a pug team. I just think if they could have something that matched premades against premades and pugs against pugs it would be best for both sides. The premades actually can test thier skills against an equally competitive team and the pugs can duke it out realize we all suck but still laugh knowing at least we cant blame the premades. Its just very frustrating to come back to enjoy some MWO then get frustrated because your dying in 3 minutes.


Can't people like you just send in a support ticket or something to the devs, and spare people like me who been hearing the same crap about premades owning everything.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:22 PM

I dont think any premade ive been in has ever stomped a pug in 3 minutes or under.. unless we were cheesing with an assault base cap but thats just a lame way to win and isnt always successful..
most premades play defensivly and wait for the pugs top do something dumb like split up into groups of 2 and come at our full team 2 at a time or even just coming in one at a time. its not out fault if most pugs are stupid....

#28 IIIuminaughty

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:23 PM

View PostUltrabeast, on 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:


I've never been in a premade that's done this, and I've droppped in many.

i have and i've done it only when ppl talk ****...which i think makes the game a lot more fun, but thats just me. I play football and basketball nothin but trash talk

#29 MDzero

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

View PostUltrabeast, on 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:


I've never been in a premade that's done this, and I've droppped in many.


You're a lucky guy, I've never been murdered in real life but others have.

Everyone's experience is different, maybe you hang around more mature players and I'm running into 13 year olds.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:27 PM

View PostUltrabeast, on 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:


I've never been in a premade that's done this, and I've droppped in many.


"I've never seen something, therefore it doesn't exist/doesn't happen."

#31 SC1P1O

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:28 PM

sounds like the republican party

View PostSatet, on 01 November 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:


"I've never seen something, therefore it doesn't exist/doesn't happen."


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

View PostSatet, on 01 November 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:


"I've never seen something, therefore it doesn't exist/doesn't happen."


"I put words in peoples mouths to hear what I wanted them to say"

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:34 PM

I've both pugged and run in premades, and honestly, premades do roll pugs, but we can tell when we get a premade though. usually it means we have to go on the offensive as they well most def just hang back and blanket us with LRMs. But for the OP, Phase 1 is coming.

#34 Lin Shai

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:34 PM

View PostSatet, on 01 November 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:



"I've never seen something, therefore it doesn't exist/doesn't happen."


No, it means it doesn't happen in the completely overblown and exaggerated quantities that people post in the forums.

Welcome to the Internet.

Once they implement a skill based matchmaker, all the rambos that QQ on the forums will play other horribad rambos, and new players will (thankfully) not get queued up against veterans.

Unfortunately that's a long way off, so right now ... we got what we got. Posting thread after thread after thread about it won't change anything.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostMDzero, on 01 November 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:


You're a lucky guy, I've never been murdered in real life but others have.

Everyone's experience is different, maybe you hang around more mature players and I'm running into 13 year olds.


Most of the guys on the unofficial TS3 servers are pretty mature, yeah. We happily help out puggsters and new players all the time. Most of us just enjoy good games, not obsessed with winning/losing and humiliating people.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:44 PM

All they Friggin have to do is STOP matching Premades vs PUG..Period.
PUG vs PUG
Premade vs Premade
Premade vs Premade with Lone Wolfs that actually WANT to fill-in with units.
Anything else you're either farmed or a farmer.
This game died before because of the exact same BS that is happening now. Unit players farm, taunt, and ridicule pick-up players and ruin the game for them..and they ARE the new players..so the New Players quit coming...so the game shrinks to just Fanboys..then they fade away.
Same friggin thing happening again..

#37 roguetrdr

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:51 PM

I almost always drop with my corp. Something about being in a team for a team game just appeals to me, it's weird I know.

I will often advertise the corp in matches if I see someone with aussie ping levels. It's not gloating at all, I do it in case someone is sick of pugging and wants to join a group in their own TZ.

#38 Lin Shai

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostSkull Ringer, on 01 November 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

All they Friggin have to do is STOP matching Premades vs PUG..Period.
PUG vs PUG
Premade vs Premade
Premade vs Premade with Lone Wolfs that actually WANT to fill-in with units.
Anything else you're either farmed or a farmer.
This game died before because of the exact same BS that is happening now. Unit players farm, taunt, and ridicule pick-up players and ruin the game for them..and they ARE the new players..so the New Players quit coming...so the game shrinks to just Fanboys..then they fade away.
Same friggin thing happening again..


Yes because those one to two games out of ten that you're actually playing a "pre-made" would make a huge difference if you're losing every match. And god forbid anyone would ever want to play an online, team-based game with their friends.

Skill/rank based matchmaking. Problem solved. New players play new players, horribad rambos play horribad rambos, and people who play as a team play against others playing as a team. It's phase 3 of the matchmaker, and it can't come soon enough.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

View Post5th Fedcom Rat, on 01 November 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Moreso that the premades coordinate fire through voice coms while spamming gauss cats, streak cats, LRM-15 atlases and small laser jenners to death. Basically exploiting every known quirk build to the fullest. Does that make them better mechwarriors? Not always.


What isn't an exploit? I'll gladly play that for you.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:54 AM

View PostLin Shai, on 01 November 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Yes because those one to two games out of ten that you're actually playing a "pre-made" would make a huge difference if you're losing every match. And god forbid anyone would ever want to play an online, team-based game with their friends.

Skill/rank based matchmaking. Problem solved. New players play new players, horribad rambos play horribad rambos, and people who play as a team play against others playing as a team. It's phase 3 of the matchmaker, and it can't come soon enough.


Utter Fanbay BS Lin..
There is no reason..none..to have Premade vs PUG except PUG Farming. "One to 2 games out of ten"? Another total Load. Have you playered this game at night?..as a PUG? If you get one in six that isn't a Premade Roll you are lucky. And it's REAL friggin easy to tell When multipule LRMs 'instantly' lock on to one player..or a pack of light and medium converge on a pilot..or just from the taunts.
And No..rank based ISN'T going to change the dynamic.
First, developing an algorithm that can handle judging a persons skill level in every different scenario this game is (supposedly) going to provide will take years of tuning.. and have you ever played a game that has got it right? Ever?
Second, The majority of the players of this game are going to be PUG for as long as the game is growing. At "least" 40% of all players ARE NEVER GOING TO PLAY IN UNITS. They don't want 'Internet' friends, they don't want to talk in the game, they don't want to wait for teammates, they enjoy Personal combat as an individual..in a group of individuals..against another group of individuals. They want to play WHENEVER they have a couple of hours to spend and don't want to go through all the Fanboy BS just to play a game.

This game died before FOR THIS EXACT SAME REASON. Units would drop together, wipe the floor with any new player dumb enough to try the game..then the new players quit coming.. and the Fanboy Units will NEVER be enough to support the game. There will Always be more Pick-up gamers on the Internet than team players..for Any game. A much smaller percentage of the PUG players here will want to join units. It was the same for the old game. If the Devs don't give PUGs a place to fight ONLY PUGs then the new player queue is going to shrink to a trickle.. then when the first two funding rounds are burned, investors are going to look at the declining new player adoption numbers and laugh..and they are going to need another investment round. They are already missing milestones, and the game is really starting to get a bad reputation in social media. This is a bad BAD trajectory for a game I love to play.





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