Ferro Armor: The Myth, The Legend, The Unfortunate Mathematics
#21
Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:31 AM
Go with ES first in all cases. Then if you really need just a bit more room (like 2 or less tons), and somehow you have 14 free crits, hit that FF up. I only see this being applicable with mechs boating 1-crit space weapons.
#22
Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:46 AM
#23
Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:53 AM
Broceratops, on 05 November 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:
Just like I spent 1.3 million upgrading to double heat sinks that aren't double heat sinks... It can be frustrating.
#24
Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:47 PM
Hardplace, on 05 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:
This is not true.
Ferro-Fiberous is used if you have 14 free critical slots and you already have Endo-Steel installed.
If you need more armor and you have not used Endo-Steel, then you will use Endo-Steel to gain that armor, not Ferro-Fiberous.
#25
Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:43 PM
My Cicada runs XL340, DHS, Endo, & FF without any problems & aye, the repair costs much less than my brawler atlas.
#26
Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:46 PM
BrightCandle, on 05 November 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:
I run triple streak 2 commando 200 xl and 10 heat sinks. 2 tons ammo however, so I run out easily...
note I use both endo and ferro
Edited by dal10, 05 November 2012 - 04:46 PM.
#27
Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:35 PM
Naros, on 05 November 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:
And the larger the mech, the greater the amount of armour they generally have.
Your tone is not appreciated. Your claims that X is worthless, and that there is no reason to use Y on Z, because you say so, without anything to back it up is just rude and pointless.
Also, regarding your Location text; Who the heck cares? You're USian, we get it.
Let me rebold, and make this bigger:
You do not get 12% more armor, it weighs 12% less than standard armor, that is it.
This means that you get anywhere from 0.78 more tons, to 2.4 tons, dependent on mech, from lightest to heaviest
In reference to your "You're a USian" next time I see a statement from you like that, I'll report you for Nationalistic Racist remarks.
Hardplace, on 05 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:
Exactly, thus my statement, best for light mechs almost specifically.
Edited by Discordantone, 05 November 2012 - 08:58 PM.
#28
Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:19 AM
#29
Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:59 AM
Dakota, on 06 November 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:
You should be using Endo to save weight at ALL times.
FF as it is right now should ONLY be used WITH ENDO to get maximum additional weight.
For example the same commando:
FF use - 12% of armor savings is 6.5*0.12 = 0.78t gain
Endo use - 5% of total mech weight 25*0.05 = 1.25t gain
Now the same calculations for Atlas:
FF - 20*0.12 = 2.4t gain
Endo - 100*0.05 = 5t gain
#30
Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:28 AM
"Equip Ferro Armour and XL Engine"
...
"So you can make more money suicide-farming"
(It's even double bad advice - you won't make mony, and you shouldn't even be suicide farming to begin with! So it's basically 1.4 worse advice than usual!)
Edited by MustrumRidcully, 06 November 2012 - 03:29 AM.
#31
Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:25 AM
Edited by Discordantone, 06 November 2012 - 11:25 AM.
#32
Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:46 AM
#33
Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:16 PM
Obviously you can chose to use the weight savings in other ways but if you put the saved weight back into armor you’ll be getting 35.84 points per ton so the Jenner with 6.5 tons of standard armor has 208 points to spread around 11 area but with 6.5 tone of FF you get 232.96 point to spread around up to the max your chassis can cary obviously.
It’s not a great advantage but it can help if you’re willing to lose the crit. spaces and can pay the fright on the maintenance.
Edited by Kerzin, 06 November 2012 - 12:17 PM.
#34
Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:18 PM
#35
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:29 PM
Kerzin, on 06 November 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
Obviously you can chose to use the weight savings in other ways but if you put the saved weight back into armor you’ll be getting 35.84 points per ton so the Jenner with 6.5 tons of standard armor has 208 points to spread around 11 area but with 6.5 tone of FF you get 232.96 point to spread around up to the max your chassis can cary obviously.
It’s not a great advantage but it can help if you’re willing to lose the crit. spaces and can pay the fright on the maintenance.
They rounded to 36 in MWO.
#36
Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:16 AM
#37
Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:43 AM
Keramane, on 07 November 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:
No, for some reason Ballistics are doing damage, armor or not... I've tested out even machine guns so far, and have managed to rip weapons out, and even blow ammo, without even really denting their armor. Looks like someone made an attempt at armor penetration and seriously overcompensated for something.
#38
Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:47 AM
BrightCandle, on 05 November 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:
You can on light 'mechs, effectively too. They're the only ones that benefit generally, though.*
* Very fast mediums might as well. I suspect we'll see some Endo + DHS + Ferro builds of the Centurion D.
#39
Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:53 AM
BrightCandle, on 05 November 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:
Not true, but it is very build specific, and Endo is going to be the better choice 99% of the time. An example of Ferro being useful is when you are at max tonnage for class, and still have internals, but your armor is not maxed out. Now you can "buff" your armor. It IS more expensive to fix, but sometimes that extra few points is the difference between failure and victory.
Also in many 50 ton or lighter chassis, it is feasible to use BOTH, as most can't come close to filling all their crit slots (The exception being the popular CheezeBack laser variants, that need all the DHS or HS loving they can get. Darn, no free lunch for an annoying build.)
I Run a CN9-D with Endo, Ferro, DHS AND and XL engine. Mostly for the lulz, but it still has space to pack a Gauss Rifle w/3 tons of ammo and 2 medium pulse lasers (ala 3050 Yen-Lo-Wang). Fast and tough, has taken it's fair share of Atlases. On the downside, the critter ain't cheap, nor cheap to refit between matches, but I am still making money, not losing, so I ain't complaining.
Might drop the Ferro and the Gauss for a pair of Artemis equipped 6 packs tho... and a bigger engine! XD
#40
Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:53 AM
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