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[Lusankya]

We'll see the Stalker before we see the Highlander, but I would definitely like to see the Highlander first.

[Onyx Rain]

Lusankya, on 14 November 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

We'll see the Stalker before we see the Highlander, but I would definitely like to see the Highlander first.

Oh ya, stalker is next mech due....so I'm under no Illusion the Highlander will beat it into the game, But...

They could push back the Flea, Spider, possibly the jager...They've probably started on the Trebuchet by now.

Basically I'd be happy with them pushing back the Flea at least...but theoretically whatever mech they haven't started on yet could be the one they substitute the Highlander in for though...doubt they'll side line a mech already being worked on.

[Thomas Covenant]

Where are you guys getting info as to 'order of mech additions'?

(thanks)

[stjobe]

Thomas Covenant, on 24 November 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

Where are you guys getting info as to 'order of mech additions'?

(thanks)

Generally from the announcement forum (http://mwomercs.com/...-announcements/). There's a thread in there titled "BattleMech NN: Mechname" whenever a new 'mech is announced (e.g. BattleMech 12: Stalker).

For ease of reference, I've put together this list of current and announced 'mechs, with announced and projected release dates.

Oh, and Thomas? Use that damn ring and stop feeling so freaking sorry for yourself - it's getting a bit long

Edited by stjobe, 24 November 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[Onyx Rain]

Thomas Covenant, on 24 November 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

Where are you guys getting info as to 'order of mech additions'?

(thanks)

So far they have released mechs in the order they were announced. We are assuming they will stick to this....Notice only 20% voted current release schedule is fine. That tells me that they have crippled their product unnecessarily by making poor choices in the release order....So they need to change the order as much as they can ASAP to suit what the players want ASAP.

[Thorn Hallis]

Without the re-implementation of ramming or the introduction of working DFAs I see no need for a jump-capable assault 'Mech. If PGI would bring the Highlander in december the JJs would only be a gimmick.

[stjobe]

Oh, forgot to add: Screw the Highlander for now, prioritize the Flea!

As someone else pointed out up-thread, having something even cheaper than a Commando for people to get into after just a couple of trial matches would do infinitely more for the game than a 10 million-CB Assault, no matter if it has jump jets or not.

(I do like the Highlander, don't get me wrong. I just think the Flea is more important.)

Edited by stjobe, 24 November 2012 - 02:27 AM.

[Cmdr Harabec]

Yes, I'd love the Highlander to be in. Even with the Stalker coming up soon, another Assault isn't a bad thing. New players gravitate towards them because they're the most survivable, and the lights are all kind of worthless/play the same for the most part - go as fast as possible, get lagged out, and survive that way. None of the upcoming lights will do anything different. Might as well not add them until the netcode's worked out and they're able to get hit. I'd prefer to see the Assaults and Heavies rounded out before faster movers.

I guess really all I'm saying is please don't bother adding anymore lights until the netcode's not in their favour. It's not like any of them are better than the Jenner anyways.

[Onyx Rain]

Thorn Hallis, on 24 November 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Without the re-implementation of ramming or the introduction of working DFAs I see no need for a jump-capable assault 'Mech. If PGI would bring the Highlander in december the JJs would only be a gimmick.

Ya i guess being able to jump to good firing positions, jump terrain/buildings to cut off or surprise E, and being able to jump fire are all pretty useless.

Also at current release rate The flea isn't due till near the end of winter/beginning of spring....might be wishful thinking but I'm hoping PGI has DFA and JJ mechanics in/fixed by this time.

[Thorn Hallis]

Onyx Rain, on 24 November 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Ya i guess being able to jump to good firing positions, jump terrain/buildings to cut off or surprise E, and being able to jump fire are all pretty useless.

Try a Cataphract 3D with jumpjets and see for yourself how bad JJs work on a heavier 'Mech. You wont be able to jump fire, and as big as the Highlander is you wont surprise anyone.

[DerSpecht]

Onyx Rain, on 13 November 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Why are the arm-less chicken legged people getting their every desire fulfilled before we get JJ capable assault in this game? I want them to get their toys...but good lord lets let everyone have some cool toys before we bury the kids who like metal chickens (They have no arms!!!) in every metal chicken toy the devs can dig up.

Because Assaults cost alotta cbills and a flea would be a good and cheap beginner mech for all those people who have to grind trials?

[Onyx Rain]

stjobe, on 24 November 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh, forgot to add: Screw the Highlander for now, prioritize the Flea!

As someone else pointed out up-thread, having something even cheaper than a Commando for people to get into after just a couple of trial matches would do infinitely more for the game than a 10 million-CB Assault, no matter if it has jump jets or not.

(I do like the Highlander, don't get me wrong. I just think the Flea is more important.)

Flea is so far out that most people who will be playing then are playing now, or will be soon....and will have plenty of money for mechs by the time the Flea comes out. But no big JJ capable assault to spend that cash on ;(

If it was a choice between the flea or highlander coming out within a month that argument may have merit...but as we'll see neither for so very long....it just doesn't mean much. And a 90 ton JJ capable assault fills more gaps in the current mech line up then just about anything else. We do need JJ capable mediums...but only the black jack fills that niche....and that is even further away. Another JJ capable light in the humanoid body style would be nice, and the spider fits that niche.

[Onyx Rain]

Thorn Hallis, on 24 November 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

Try a Cataphract 3D with jumpjets and see for yourself how bad JJs work on a heavier 'Mech. You wont be able to jump fire, and as big as the Highlander is you wont surprise anyone.

Hmm, I was peek- aboo sniping just today quite well with the 3d phract....

Doesn't matter if it is big as long as it gets over the obstacle quicker then following the enemy around it on foot = Dead enemy...who might have got away...or at least died faster because you could cut it off.

If you land behind it after jumping over an obstacle to ambush....size isn't going to matter much, still equals you have an advantage that would have been harder to get without JJ.

As for jumping fire, many mechs have limited arm mounted weapons. Jumping and taking you beyond the arc of their fire can buy you time for your weapons to refresh, cut the amount of damage you take, give time for another player to kill them, clear a path for another to get a clean shot, escape over an obstacle, or when DFA is in....result in a kill/dmg'd enemy.

Many of you seem to fail in realizing the value of JJ even as they are now....also don't seem to be factoring in that even if they do re-prioritize the highlander today as the next mech to be added in game it will still be a few months...time for them to work on JJ and get that crap fixed, DFA added...etc..etc....

[Funkin Disher]

Nope, I'd like my Stalkers please.

[John MatriX82]

Game's lacking assaults, but the Stalker will soften the issue a bit.. to be honest it lacks a horde of mechs in various classes and tonnage ratings, and we already have enough lightmechs.

[stjobe]

Onyx Rain, on 24 November 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Flea is so far out that most people who will be playing then are playing now, or will be soon....and will have plenty of money for mechs by the time the Flea comes out.

So there will be no new players coming in between now and the Flea, is that what you're saying?

One of the major problems with MWO as it currently stands is the Trial grind for new players. Shortening that in any way can only be a good thing for overall player retention.

Look, I understand. The Highlander is one bad-posterior 'mech (and oh how I long for a Victor!), but let's be realistic. Here's the current schedule of announced 'mechs:

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11: Cataphract CTF-3L (TBA - needs MASC)
12: Stalker STK-5M, STK-3F, STK-3H, STK-4N, STK-5S (Dec. 18)
13: Trebuchet TBT-7M, TBT-3C, TBT-5J, TBT-5N, TBT-7K (TBA - January '13?)
14: JagerMech JM6-DD, JM6-S, JM6-A (TBA - February '13?)
15: Spider SDR-5V, SDR-5K, SDR-5D (TBA - March '13?)
16: Flea (TBA - April '13?)
17: Highlander HGN-732 (TBA - May '13?)
18: Blackjack (TBA - June '13?)

Flea in April, Highlander in May. Before that we get the Stalker, Trebuchet, JagerMech, and Spider. Would it really make such a difference switching the dates of the Flea and Highlander? Or are you saying "bump the Highlander to the top of the list?" - in which case I say "bump the Flea to the top of the list, it'll do more for the game than the Highlander".

[JudgeDeathCZ]

stjobe, on 24 November 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh, forgot to add: Screw the Highlander for now, prioritize the Flea!

As someone else pointed out up-thread, having something even cheaper than a Commando for people to get into after just a couple of trial matches would do infinitely more for the game than a 10 million-CB Assault, no matter if it has jump jets or not.

(I do like the Highlander, don't get me wrong. I just think the Flea is more important.)

yea this.When there will be Flea or Spider with price like 1 mil or less will be etter than 10mil assault for new ppl.
And stalker is enough for assaults especially if u can brawl with him like 5x SRM6+5xMPL and ure fain.
And we will finally get 2nd missile boat.
BTW Trebuchet concept looks pretty nasty

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 24 November 2012 - 03:04 AM.

[Onyx Rain]

Kane0, on 24 November 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Nope, I'd like my Stalkers please.

Your stalker isn't in danger... I'm not talking about scraping a mech that is already half done. I'm talking about taking one that is barely been started on, or is just about to be started on and shelving it in favor of starting on the HIghlander. Frankly it isn't just the Highlander that needs to be moved up in the order...blackjack will be a JJ capable medium...we need that. We need a humanoid JJ capable Light....but less then a JJ capable assault or medium.

Just to put this in perspective... They had started on the cataphract back in mid/late August and we just now got it... So very likely that some of the last mechs scheduled are not even started on...or have just barely begun to be worked on.

They need to take advantage of this window and rework the order to better suit what their players want.

[stjobe]

Onyx Rain, on 24 November 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

They need to take advantage of this window and rework the order to better suit what their players want.

What window? And please note that "their players" don't have a single, unified want. YOU want the Highlander, I want the Flea, others want the Urbie, and so on and so forth.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

ye i want Kraken(bane) plz