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[Duckwalk]

Oh and this game isn't anywhere near PAY TO WIN. Until they implement weapons or ammo that can only be bought with MC($) and which gives a definite advantage in play, the only thing paying does it expedite the grind.

The Hero Mech available from MC purchase is easily the worst Centurion variant available as it has the least amount of weapons hardpoints and the least amount of flexibility. It's only redeeming quality is that it makes bonus C-Bills. It costs ~$15.

Premium time for a month costs ~$12.

[Vassago Rain]

The system should work based on your earnings percenage.
If you throw in the worst possible performance, make it cost 90% of your earnings. Not 200%+ No one's gonna bother with the fancy gear, unless they have premium powers.

Which is where we're at right now. Basically, it's slipping into F2P - alternatively F2Notgrind. I don't think that's fun. Do you think that's fun? Imagine playing counter-strike for 4 hours to buy a desert eagle. Oh, but this is different, because if you die, you still get to spawn with it! Totally worthwhile. Not going to lead to suicide rounds, at all. And you only start with 5 bullets in the magazine, instead of 7, because we can't give you full reloads, or cost ammo properly.

I can run 7 million space buck commandos, and I do. I have full artemis LRM cats. The people I used to play with all dropped because of the grind, and research needed to make sure your grind money didn't go into a bad mech, or bad weapon.

Duckwalk, on 14 November 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Oh and this game isn't anywhere near PAY TO WIN. Until they implement weapons or ammo that can only be bought with MC($) and which gives a definite advantage in play, the only thing paying does it expedite the grind.

The Hero Mech available from MC purchase is easily the worst Centurion variant available as it has the least amount of weapons hardpoints and the least amount of flexibility. It's only redeeming quality is that it makes bonus C-Bills. It costs ~$15.

Premium time for a month costs ~$12.

You can only buy wangs with mech bucks, which are real money. IF that's the defition of P2W, then we're already there. I think of P2W as a more sneaky approach.

Like when freeplay scum can't afford to reload their guns, but I can.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Valore, question for you: what to YOU is a top tier mech? Is it based on weight? Speed? Versatility? Do tell.

[Valore]

Rejarial Galatan, on 13 November 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

paying for MC for a tactical advantage that the free player NEVER has access to is my issue, but so far, aside from YLW <which is more fancy paint and name than advantage> no issue here. aside from that, you get a HUH since I have not played counterstrike.

oh, and one other thing, why do people forget 1 key fact here? every player gets 1 FREE mech of his or her choice at start up. No MC cost or CB cost, they give you ONE mech at the start.

My argument doesn't bar anyone from getting anything unless they pay though, so I'm not quite sure how its relevant?

Rejarial Galatan, on 14 November 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Valore, question for you: what to YOU is a top tier mech? Is it based on weight? Speed? Versatility? Do tell.

A normal mech that is customised and loaded to the gills with Endo Steel, Ferro, DHS, Artemis/Streak ammo, XL engines, and the like.

Edited by Valore, 14 November 2012 - 12:21 AM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

You can only buy wangs with mech bucks, which are real money. IF that's the defition of P2W, then we're already there. I think of P2W as a more sneaky approach.

Like when freeplay scum can't afford to reload their guns, but I can.

free play SCUM? really? I think the Free Play Player base is just as valuable as you or me. Next, you will say the veteran class of founders is beneath us, while, with your logic, we must bend knee to legendary.

[Terror Teddy]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

The game's released already. We have massed suicide grinding to escape the poor trialmechs. It didn't work. Everybody with common sense told them it wouldn't work.

No it is not.

IT'S STILL IN BLOODY BETA TESTING!

You are an Elite founder who PAID to be in a BETA testing so you should know it is still in BETA, regardless if it is a CLOSE or OPEN beta.

This is not a release version - It is a beta.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Valore, on 14 November 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

My argument doesn't bar anyone from getting anything unless they pay though, so I'm not quite sure how its relevant?

this response makes my head hurt, because of the contradiction in it.

P2W bars people from stuff unless the specifically pay for it, which bars the free players from it, and from YLW for example. also, again valore, what is a top tier mech to you?

[Noth]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

You can only buy wangs with mech bucks, which are real money. IF that's the defition of P2W, then we're already there. I think of P2W as a more sneaky approach.

Like when freeplay scum can't afford to reload their guns, but I can.

Actually the Wang is more p2lose than p2win as it is pretty much the worst mech in the game. It just has a pretty paint job and a cbill bonus.

[Duckwalk]

SummerAmberWolf, on 14 November 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

And this is why this game isn't free to play. Because as a free to play game, it sucks. If you think that Free to play should mean that players that aren't playing shouldn't have fun and should be cannon fodder for pay to play players, you don't understand the concept.

No, you don't understand the concept of Free to Play. Hate to break it to you but nothing is "Free". Be happy you get to experience the full game with only a 30% longer grind than the people actually paying to develop the game YOU'RE enjoying.

[Terror Teddy]

Vassago Rain, on 13 November 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

There's a difference between doing two economy rounds to buy a lockdown weapon, and grinding suicide trialmechs for hours and hours to buy the worst mech in the game.

LIGHTEST mech in the game, not the worst.

And you havent seen insane grind for cash until you have tried grinding in Moon Breakers.

[Vassago Rain]

Terror Teddy, on 14 November 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

No it is not.

IT'S STILL IN BLOODY BETA TESTING!

You are an Elite founder who PAID to be in a BETA testing so you should know it is still in BETA, regardless if it is a CLOSE or OPEN beta.

This is not a release version - It is a beta.

Actually, I paid to get all the mech bucks and a free mech to escape the grind. Are you seriously implying anyone honestly paid for the beta game? I even waited until I was sure they weren't going to screw over the disney dollars conversion further.

This is release. It's open to all. My mom can play the game. It's as released as angry birds. You can pretend it's something it's not, but reality doesn't buy into gold vision.

That's why the game didn't exactly jump the first week.

[Grizley]

Rejarial Galatan, on 14 November 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Valore, question for you: what to YOU is a top tier mech? Is it based on weight? Speed? Versatility? Do tell.

Right now a fantastic example of a top tier mech is the Jenner.

• The Jenner can easily kill any other light one on one or even two on one.
  
• The Jenner can easily kill an assault mech that goes rambo.
  
• The Jenner can cap or defend a cap better than any other mech around. Minus you sticking a Fatlas and support crew in your own base for defense.
  
• The Jenner mounts firepower that a mech of a higher weight class wouldn't be ashamed of. Look at a Hunchback SP build with 4ML and 2 SRM6. They fire 4 extra SRMs on a full volley than a Jenner and the Jenner moves three times as fast.

Some other top tier mechs would be the Hunchback P and SP, Cat C1 and Cat K2 and well... maybe Atlas K?

A top tier mech either completely dominates one aspect of the game with multiple other strengths or is generally strong at everything with no real weaknesses. If one unique ability has a high enough impact it could make an otherwise average mech top tier.

[Tarman]

Rejarial Galatan, on 14 November 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

free play SCUM? really? I think the Free Play Player base is just as valuable as you or me. Next, you will say the veteran class of founders is beneath us, while, with your logic, we must bend knee to legendary.

He always uses that phrase, it's part of his costume. He's not here to add anything to the discussion if it doesn't also come equipped with MkII Flamebait. He lives for it. He's THAT guy for this forum. The fact that I'm posting about his posting is already stroking his ego.

[Vassago Rain]

Noth, on 14 November 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Actually the Wang is more p2lose than p2win as it is pretty much the worst mech in the game. It just has a pretty paint job and a cbill bonus.

Actually, trialmechs can't be outfitted with anything, and are by their nature impotent and undersunk, while you can put a gauss on wang, and he also makes way, way more money than a trial mech. Remember, they have a cash penalty.

Oh, and no XP or gold XP, ever, for any reason. Wang grinds up both.

Your goldvision is blinding you to what it really does, and how far detached wang is from the trials and their grinding.

Tarman, on 14 November 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

He always uses that phrase, it's part of his costume. He's not here to add anything to the discussion if it doesn't also come equipped with MkII Flamebait. He lives for it. He's THAT guy for this forum. The fact that I'm posting about his posting is already stroking his ego.

It's a bit more complicated than that, as I'm well aware you and everybody else knows already. While it may have started out as simple mocking trolling, it's now more personal. These terms were invented as jokes, but are in common use among the playerbase.

[Noth]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Actually, trialmechs can't be outfitted with anything, and are by their nature impotent and undersunk, while you can put a gauss on wang, and he also makes way, way more money than a trial mech. Remember, they have a cash penalty.

Oh, and no XP or gold XP, ever, for any reason. Wang grinds up both.

Your goldvision is blinding you to what it really does, and how far detached wang is from the trials and their grinding.

You do know I have been against forcing people to use trial since the inception of trials right? In fact I even said forcing people to use trials is horrible in this thread. My point here is to counter the pay2win as the wang is not as good as anything you can earn for free.

[Valore]

Grizley, on 14 November 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Right now a fantastic example of a top tier mech is the Jenner.

• The Jenner can easily kill any other light one on one or even two on one.
  
• The Jenner can easily kill an assault mech that goes rambo.
  
• The Jenner can cap or defend a cap better than any other mech around. Minus you sticking a Fatlas and support crew in your own base for defense.
  
• The Jenner mounts firepower that a mech of a higher weight class wouldn't be ashamed of. Look at a Hunchback SP build with 4ML and 2 SRM6. They fire 4 extra SRMs on a full volley than a Jenner and the Jenner moves three times as fast.

Some other top tier mechs would be the Hunchback P and SP, Cat C1 and Cat K2 and well... maybe Atlas K?



A top tier mech either completely dominates one aspect of the game with multiple other strengths or is generally strong at everything with no real weaknesses. If one unique ability has a high enough impact it could make an otherwise average mech top tier.

Hi Griz,

while your definition is accurate in one sense, its not the sense I'm talking about for my argument.

In this particular instance, what I mean by top tier is a mech loaded up with expensive equipment that costs a bomb to repair and rearm. It could still be a completely rubbish mech performance wise.

Edited by Valore, 14 November 2012 - 12:28 AM.

[Terror Teddy]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Actually, I paid to get all the mech bucks and a free mech to escape the grind. Are you seriously implying anyone honestly paid for the beta game? I even waited until I was sure they weren't going to screw over the disney dollars conversion further.

I actually did BOTH.

1. Because I wanted to support the game
2. I wanted to beta TEST the game as well
3. Yes, I wanted the cash bonus to escape the grind

Regardless of WHY you paid it included clear information that it was in BETA state, and still IS.

The game is a released BETA which mean by default that it is not finished and you should KNOW it will not be 'done' until 6 month forward with a lot of changes and tweaking.

There is a reason it is called an open BETA - regardless of what you THINK it means.

[Duckwalk]

I like how he completely ignored how the Wang is a stripped down version of 2 non laser centurion variants with less weapon hardpoints.

Pay4fancypaintjoband30%earnings.

And sorry, until you contribute to the developers you're just cluttering up MY message boards and taking up space on MY servers.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Grizley, on 14 November 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Right now a fantastic example of a top tier mech is the Jenner.

• The Jenner can easily kill any other light one on one or even two on one.
  
• The Jenner can easily kill an assault mech that goes rambo.
  
• The Jenner can cap or defend a cap better than any other mech around. Minus you sticking a Fatlas and support crew in your own base for defense.
  
• The Jenner mounts firepower that a mech of a higher weight class wouldn't be ashamed of. Look at a Hunchback SP build with 4ML and 2 SRM6. They fire 4 extra SRMs on a full volley than a Jenner and the Jenner moves three times as fast.

Some other top tier mechs would be the Hunchback P and SP, Cat C1 and Cat K2 and well... maybe Atlas K?


A top tier mech either completely dominates one aspect of the game with multiple other strengths or is generally strong at everything with no real weaknesses. If one unique ability has a high enough impact it could make an otherwise average mech top tier.

to me, a top tier mech is the one YOU love the most. For me, its more what mech I adopted until I shed the dregs of being a freebirth and rejoin my wolves and my Timber Wolf. Top tier IMHO is what YOU do best in, for me, for now? Atlas AS7-D(F)

soon tho, Timber Wolf!

[Tarman]

Vassago Rain, on 14 November 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Actually, trialmechs can't be outfitted with anything, and are by their nature impotent and undersunk, while you can put a gauss on wang, and he also makes way, way more money than a trial mech. Remember, they have a cash penalty.

Oh, and no XP or gold XP, ever, for any reason. Wang grinds up both.

Your goldvision is blinding you to what it really does, and how far detached wang is from the trials and their grinding.



It's a bit more complicated than that, as I'm well aware you and everybody else knows already. While it may have started out as simple mocking trolling, it's now more personal. These terms were invented as jokes, but are in common use among the playerbase.

Actually most of these terms I ONLY see in your posts, dude. "Freeplay scum" and "goldvision" are two of your fave hotbutton firestarters. Your subtle irony is waaay too subtle for this forum; it's subtle enough to bury your real messages about getting game problems resolved. You come across as Actual Troll, not Concerned Player in Troll Disguise. I see your game but you're playing it too deep for this arena, and I feel you may be slipping into actual trolldom. You seem smart enough that I hope you come back from the precipice and contribute with a little more sincerity.

Unless of course it's fun for you, in which case I will relegate you to Forum Entertainment Division.