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[Like a Sir]

Cnox, on 16 November 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Actually, I've been playing since day one of open beta, and I have already unlocked all my elite skills across the 3 variants of my mechs. So, it's safe to say I've put in quite a few hours.

But thanks for offering a shining example of what's wrong with this community: only those who have gotten into closed beta are entitled to a voice. Awesome attitude!

It's funny because you, know, when we click on your name, it shows us when you created the account.... And if it's your ALT Tonberry there right above you brings up some good points lol

[AvatarofWhat]

Cnox, on 16 November 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

This is the first time I posted, I read up on things and get all perspectives before I pitch in. But, if there was any other way to prove to you about the mechs i have in my bay and the number of games i've played, I'd show it to you, but if you want to use a forum date as the indication of how long I've been playing, then ... wait for it...another shining example of what's wrong with this community.

Lol, you still don't get it, do I have to quote myself?

Troll will be troll! Just one more time, You have the same account on the forums as you have in-game! Everyone knows your either lying or have another account that you don't want to post this bullcrap with. If you actually played the game you would realize that! Your forum account is your game account! You want to prove you actually played this game? log on with an account that wasn't created an hour ago!

[Gimpy Warpig]

Gihzmo, on 16 November 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

(sic) Please do not pander so deeply to people who constantly whine (sic)

[Rokuzachi]

There's so much unneeded hostility in this community. The word 'rabid' comes to mind.

Is this what happens when fans go for many years without a big release in their favorite IP? Something finally comes along, and everyone has been stewing in their own obsession and ideas of what the next MW game should be for so long that it just ends with everyone screaming about everything, threatening to sue if the game changes in a way they don't like and ostracizing people unfamiliar with the IP or people who suggest non-canon changes.

We have to remember that while this is Mechwarrior, it's also a game designed to be popular and (hopefully) be played by a lot of people. It's an archaic IP loved by a lot of people, but it's also a game being made in the present era that needs to survive. I just wish there was a little less fanaticism about the whole thing, because it looks really unattractive from the outside.

[Tenri]

No 3pv even for spectators. -dead teammate type/voip I see someone over that corner/hill/building don't go/take a different route-

[Like a Sir]

Cnox, on 16 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

When I get home tonight, I'll try to find a way to screenshot my mechs and post them somewhere, when I do, I expect an apology...

Are you sure you don't work for PGI, with their recent decisions I wouldn't be surprised if the spaced the fact, that the forums show us when the account has been created lol

AvatarofWhat, on 16 November 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Lol, you still don't get it, do I have to quote myself?

Troll will be troll! Just one more time, You have the same account on the forums as you have in-game! Everyone knows your either lying or have another account that you don't want to post this bullcrap with. If you actually played the game you would realize that! Your forum account is your game account! You want to prove you actually played this game? log on with an account that wasn't created an hour ago!

[Tonberry]

Cnox, on 16 November 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

God, for the last time to the past 12 posters who say 'I don't want it because it turns it from a simulator to an arcade game':

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.

And a few more times to cover any future posters so I don't have to say this again to them as well:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSPECTIVE, DON'T USE IT.

Omg your an *****
i actually enjoy the old games in 3rd person; however as a great many experienced people have noted it changes your view of the battlefield. It lets you see it from a higher perspective which lets you see around corners and over buildings which in essence is a form of cheating.
That is why we as the community don't want it.
That being said if; and i stress IF, they implement it in such a way so that players can still have third person and not get these advantages then it would be ok. That would probably being a case of having your cake and eating it however...

[SplinterMD]

Can we get an official - "Sorry guys, I was kinda *********, no idea what we were thinking..." and get this foolishness over with...

[betocorp]

next.... lets make auto aim!

[Gimpy Warpig]

AvatarofWhat, on 16 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

@cnox

I love how someone who signed up today is trying to tell everyone who has been playing this game since closed beta, the majority of which are founders who spent up to 120 dollars founding this game what the game should be like. Have you even played the game yet? You signed up like 2 hours ago!

I love it too! Here's a direct example of someone who was probably an avid MW4 fan, but didnt want to get stuck in ONLY 1PV MODE PERIOD. He's excited that 3pv may be an option, and has come to post about it.

Bravo Cnox. Welcome man. Hope plenty more come over, tho I suspect they'll get a chilly reception from some - they'll soon have plenty more company and the game will be better off for it.

[betocorp]

90% of 3000 say NO

http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/

[Blackfang]

I think this thread has run it's course

[Cnox]

Tonberry, on 16 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Omg your an *****
i actually enjoy the old games in 3rd person; however as a great many experienced people have noted it changes your view of the battlefield. It lets you see it from a higher perspective which lets you see around corners and over buildings which in essence is a form of cheating.
That is why we as the community don't want it.
That being said if; and i stress IF, they implement it in such a way so that players can still have third person and not get these advantages then it would be ok. That would probably being a case of having your cake and eating it however...

So, considering I explained several ways that the implementation could be made to be 'fair', then we're in agreement. Finally, someone is reasonable.

To recap, here's how I would code it. While in 3rd person view:
1) No zooming.
2) Unable to rotate camera or freelook. You only see ahead of you in the direction your torso is pointed.
3) You can only see mechs that the 1st person view perspective would give you LOS on. So you could see around a corner, but until you walk up to and around it, POOF a mech could appear that you coudln't see (INCLUDING mechs that stand in your blind spot)

New ideas: (since we can have a reasonable conversation about it)
4) No crosshairs on display while in 3rd person view making it very difficult to aim. I think you should still be able to pull the trigger, but no crosshairs would make it nearly imipossible to do any type of accurate fighting.

They do this, and I can't imagine what the possible problem could be from the other side of the argument.

[G4M3R]

*Bump* Need a dev to comment I agree.

LOL if the Devs say, "We need auto-aim cause the newbs are getting killed." I'm going to jump my Atlas off a bridge.

[Gimpy Warpig]

Usagi, on 16 November 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

They are more likely someone who has already disagreed with the vast majority of people...was thoroughly put in their place, but still wanted to cry about it. SO they made another account, to pretend to be a new person.

This, somehow, manages to make what would have been a very ignorant, light-weight opinion even more valueless...and is probably the only way to achieve that.

Z0MBIE Y0SHI, on 16 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Your...ignorance shows, here.

If we choose not to use it, we gimp ourselves.

No actually, YOUR IGNORANCE shows here - 1pv'ers will play in 1pv games. Did you not get that bit? Its only been said, I dunno, a hundred times now in this thread. The 1pv and 3pv views would be an option selected pre-drop and 1pv players would drop vs other 1pv players.

[G4M3R]

I know people are trying to make 3PV work but it's a waste of time - don't bother with it. Fix other bugs first.

90% of the forum users don't want it. Why are the Devs wasting resources on something that 90% of their end-users not only don't want - but are so passionately against? I don't get it.

[Like a Sir]

Gimpy Warpig, on 16 November 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

I love it too! Here's a direct example of someone who was probably an avid MW4 fan, but didnt want to get stuck in ONLY 1PV MODE PERIOD. He's excited that 3pv may be an option, and has come to post about it.

Bravo Cnox. Welcome man. Hope plenty more come over, tho I suspect they'll get a chilly reception from some - they'll soon have plenty more company and the game will be better off for it.

I know right, that's what we need, the guy who creates an account, doesn't even play the game, gets on forums and starts lying like there is no tomorrow (I'm sorry your term is "has come to post about it" , same thing), and instantly starts demanding things, he is clearly here to stay and will spend lots of money, once he tries out your well polished product!!! oh wait...

Bravo!!! I will definately stick around to play along side such amazing individuals, I love how you were instantly able to deduce that he was more then likely a MW4 fan... Can't wait to have more of the same around!

[AvatarofWhat]

Gimpy Warpig, on 16 November 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

I love it too! Here's a direct example of someone who was probably an avid MW4 fan, but didnt want to get stuck in ONLY 1PV MODE PERIOD. He's excited that 3pv may be an option, and has come to post about it.

Bravo Cnox. Welcome man. Hope plenty more come over, tho I suspect they'll get a chilly reception from some - they'll soon have plenty more company and the game will be better off for it.

Lol, maybe I'd listen to him if he did not lie about how he elited 3 mechs already and whatnot. Cnox is a joke, and by defending him your lowering your own position. From your point of view, every game should cater to all audiences. This game was meant for mech simulation fans who wanted a first person experience. If you want something else mech related, go play hawken, or mech assault. If they add a 3rd person mode where there is NO advantage to being in 3rd person and you can play with the same people regardless to perspective then fine, i won't complain. In fact I would agree it would be a decent feature, though I would probably still not use it(and neither would 90% of the current playerbase who wants an immersion feeling). I would much rather they spend time fixing the current CTD issues, netcode issues, adding new mechs, new maps, etc. rather then implementing a 3rd person view that most fans who have already spent money and will continue to spend money do not want.

[Z0MBIE Y0SHI]

Gimpy Warpig, on 16 November 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

No actually, YOUR IGNORANCE shows here - 1pv'ers will play in 1pv games. Did you not get that bit? Its only been said, I dunno, a hundred times now in this thread. The 1pv and 3pv views would be an option selected pre-drop and 1pv players would drop vs other 1pv players.

Please point to where this has been confirmed.

The only thing I see is speculations, what if's, and maybe's.

And do you really think splitting a small community is in the games best interest?

[Squidhead Jax]

Cnox, on 16 November 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

I posted above how to make the 3rd person view not 'cheeze' by hiding view of enemy mechs that the 1pv would not have LOS to. I think that pretty much would address any concerns (except for those people that 'just don't like it').

"But but but... that 'mech just appeared out of thin air! OMG HAX!" the birds in the bush PGI seems intent at grasping at would shout, and begin the cycle of destruction anew. This would probably result in either the end of view restrictions (bad) or the end of seeing the battlefield as it actually is in 1PV as well (even worse). Besides, WoW clones have well and truly proven that merely trying to ape features of the industry pioneer and leader fails to draw away meaningful numbers. Anything that brings MWO closer to WoT's design is chasing at ghosts.

It's a crappy solution to a problem that they don't need to create.

Edited by Squidhead Jax, 16 November 2012 - 02:00 PM.