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[Jawbreaker6]

Creeaaaakkkkkk....

And the long lost and left for dead Clan easily insulted purists who catalogue all of the tiniest and esoteric bits of knowledge and triva (commonly known a rotary oscillator boys) emerge from their crypts to argue the micro-fine details of THE CLANS.

Has all the makings of a Star Trek convention here....


Just remember my friend the Author: The better you write the more of them appear to hurl rocks and demand edits.

Edited by Jawbreaker6, 09 October 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jaroth Winson, on 09 October 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

1. Actually there is no argument. A source that has proven on many occasions to be incorrect is not credible.

2. Again that is your opinion which means nothing to me. Have a marvelous day.

1) So then you better Add OpKlondike to the list. Cause the majority of Published Sourcebooks of our Universe have multiple mistakes as well. It's gotten better over the years... but Even with dozens of proof readers errata rains from CBT publications.

2) We will just have to wait and see which of us is closer to the truth. I cannot see PGI not having Bloodname trials or Clan players. It is after all near to us IS players gaining rank in a House unit. BTW, where did you pick up the Winson Bloodname?

[Spike Brave]

Jaroth Winson, on 08 October 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Wrong. The source material disagrees with you.



Wolf Sourcebook - Pg.43





Blood of Kerensky Trilogy - Book 2 - Blood Legacy

As far as the Elementals go, there are numerous sources proving the success of the Elemental phenotype. Unfortunately, I just woke up & my vacation officially starts today so I am not going to look for them to screenshot or copy & paste. suffice it to say, take my word for it.................surprise you are wrong & the source material disagrees with you. There is an entire chapter detailing the Elementals in Era Report 3052 entitled Death From Below. Read it when you get a chance. I may go into details regarding the Elementals should I feel so inclined but yeah VACATION!

Just wanted to clarify my post. I did say the Elemental program was a success. Also I agree that Clan warrior ARE BETTER than IS warrior. The training a Clan warrior receives is far better and their equipment is also better. I was just saying that the eugenics program isn't really worthwhile endeavor.

I should have clarified the statement of the Clan MechWarrior not being any better than IS warriors. I meant that to mean that they are not physically or "genetically" superior. Clan MechWarrior superiority is a product of the training they receive. The Freeborn and IS bondmen preform was well or better than Trueborn warriors when they enter the Clan training programs. There are numerous examples of this in the source material such as Phelan Kell - Ward - Wolf, Jaime Wolf, and Diana Pryde. Also many Trueborns wash out.

So it's my opinion that training, not a cocktail of DNA, that helps make a good warrior.

[Joseph Mallan]

Spike Brave, on 09 October 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Just wanted to clarify my post. I did say the Elemental program was a success. Also I agree that Clan warrior ARE BETTER than IS warrior. The training a Clan warrior receives is far better and their equipment is also better. I was just saying that the eugenics program isn't really worthwhile endeavor.

I should have clarified the statement of the Clan MechWarrior not being any better than IS warriors. I meant that to mean that they are not physically or "genetically" superior. Clan MechWarrior superiority is a product of the training they receive. The Freeborn and IS bondmen preform was well or better than Trueborn warriors when they enter the Clan training programs. There are numerous examples of this in the source material such as Phelan Kell - Ward - Wolf, Jaime Wolf, and Diana Pryde. Also many Trueborns wash out.

So it's my opinion that training, not a cocktail of DNA, that helps make a good warrior.

One Exception sir. Phelan Kell is a trueborn. Born using the Clan Eugenics program. The Dragoons used Morgan Kell and Solome Ward genetics. Trained him under Natasha Kerensky. This is of course implied in the Preface of one of the Novels. So Phelan is a Trueborn not a Freeborn.

[Spike Brave]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

One Exception sir. Phelan Kell is a trueborn. Born using the Clan Eugenics program. The Dragoons used Morgan Kell and Solome Ward genetics. Trained him under Natasha Kerensky. This is of course implied in the Preface of one of the Novels. So Phelan is a Trueborn not a Freeborn.

Yeah all the recon in BattleTech is fun. All the stuff I have says those are his parents and he was born to them. So no Iron Womb,but maybe that doesn't matter or the fiction has really changed stuff.

[CyclonerM]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

One Exception sir. Phelan Kell is a trueborn. Born using the Clan Eugenics program. The Dragoons used Morgan Kell and Solome Ward genetics. Trained him under Natasha Kerensky. This is of course implied in the Preface of one of the Novels. So Phelan is a Trueborn not a Freeborn.

I might be wrong but i was pretty sure he was born by natural birth,so technically is a freeborn. It is true that he was raised like in a sibko and well trained, but this demonstrates that DNA only is not quite enough to produce superior warriors.

About Bloodnames - Do you really expect PGI to run official Trials of Bloodright? And why should ComStar do it? It is better if they work on the game , players should think about this kind of stuff, never heard of "official" Trials.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

1) So then you better Add OpKlondike to the list. Cause the majority of Published Sourcebooks of our Universe have multiple mistakes as well. It's gotten better over the years... but Even with dozens of proof readers errata rains from CBT publications.

2) We will just have to wait and see which of us is closer to the truth. I cannot see PGI not having Bloodname trials or Clan players. It is after all near to us IS players gaining rank in a House unit. BTW, where did you pick up the Winson Bloodname?

1. Show me the errata in Operation Klondike & I do not mean type or copy a few words. I mean quote the page as well.

2. The truth is MS, FASA, Catalyst & PGI have no say in how a Clan is run. That is decided by the players that become members of that organization. Exactly as it is in the lore. Each Clan is in charge of its own affairs. No it is not the same as a rank, quite the contrary. I never did earn Winson as I mentioned MANY times in the past. Also mentioned MANY times in the past, is the fact that I did not realize you could not change your name on the forums after registration. I am waiting for PGI to let me change the forum name to include the Bloodname I did earn, Corbett.

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

One Exception sir. Phelan Kell is a trueborn. Born using the Clan Eugenics program. The Dragoons used Morgan Kell and Solome Ward genetics. Trained him under Natasha Kerensky. This is of course implied in the Preface of one of the Novels. So Phelan is a Trueborn not a Freeborn.

Implied is not proven. You would think Ulric Kerensky, a genius by all accounts would have been able to prove that point in a Clan Council & Grand Council meeting. A Khan & an ilKhan would have had access to records to confirm that point.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 October 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jaroth Winson, on 09 October 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

1. Show me the errata in Operation Klondike & I do not mean type or copy a few words. I mean quote the page as well.

2. The truth is MS, FASA, Catalyst & PGI have no say in how a Clan is run. That is is decided by the players that become members of that organization. Exactly as it is in the lore. Each Clan is in charge of its own affairs. No it is not the same as a rank, quite the contrary. I never did earn Winson as I mentioned MANY times in the past. Also mentioned MANY times in the past, is the fact that I did not realize you could not change your name on the forums after registration. I am waiting for PGI to let me change the forum name to include the Bloodname I did earn, Corbett.


Implied is not proven. You would think Ulric Kerensky, a genius by all accounts would have been able to prove that point in a Clan Council & Grand Council meeting. A Khan & an ilKhan would havehad access to records to confirm that point.

I'll Look it up in a bit. I am sure there s some errata somewhere for it, may not be the list of names as it took years of arm twisting to get the list at all!

In truth as a Commando I was in fact "allowed" to hand out the names I was given by the DEVs at FanPro. And the names were regulated. It had to be approved by the Brass given to my Boss and then handed to me. So they do in fact have the right to regulate where their property is allowed. Cause our Clan Wolf does not have Nightengale Kerensky in your ranks, an my daughter won the Kerensky name back in the days of MechForce. So how would PGI handle all the people who claim to be Bloodnamed? You didn't win your Bloodname in any match I ran over the last 30+ years. So Unless someone got their name from the creators or an authorized Rep, they do not have a Bloodname. And PGI does not have to recognize it.

PGI does not have to recognize my Daughter as Nightengale Kerensky or Capt. Gail Piazzi of the Redfield Renegades. So they do not have to recognize your Corbett Bloodname either. MWO Bloodnames need to be earned Online in a MWO tourney.

[Joseph Mallan]

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PDF, p. 167

Change
"The 3SLE (Star League-in-Exile) variant of the Firefly was little different to the now-lost standard SLDF model save that it employed a Guardian ECM system in place of the Target Acquisition Gear, also losing some armor to install the bulky system."

to


"The 3SLE (Star League-in-Exile) variant of the Firefly was little different to the now-lost standard SLDF model save that it employed a Guardian ECM system in place of the Target Acquisition Gear, also downgrading a laser to install the heavier system."

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PDF, pp. 148-149

Replace all references to "STY-3C Starslayer" with "STY-2C Starslayer"

These were as recent as March of this year.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 09 October 2013 - 11:03 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Spike Brave, on 09 October 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

Yeah all the recon in BattleTech is fun. All the stuff I have says those are his parents and he was born to them. So no Iron Womb,but maybe that doesn't matter or the fiction has really changed stuff.

Solome was unable to bear child and Jamie Wolf provided a means to help his friends become parents. Over strongly voiced protests of Natasha Kerensky I might add. As to why Ulric didn't say anything... you think maybe he was smart enough to know that any Trueborn Warrior would be incensed by even the thought of an Inner Sphere Trueborn???

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 09 October 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

I'll Look it up in a bit. I am sure there s some errata somewhere for it, may not be the list of names as it took years of arm twisting to get the list at all!

In truth as a Commando I was in fact "allowed" to hand out the names I was given by the DEVs at FanPro. And the names were regulated. It had to be approved by the Brass given to my Boss and then handed to me. So they do in fact have the right to regulate where their property is allowed. Cause our Clan Wolf does not have Nightengale Kerensky in your ranks, an my daughter won the Kerensky name back in the days of MechForce. So how would PGI handle all the people who claim to be Bloodnamed? You didn't win your Bloodname in any match I ran over the last 30+ years. So Unless someone got their name from the creators or an authorized Rep, they do not have a Bloodname. And PGI does not have to recognize it.

PGI does not have to recognize my Daughter as Nightengale Kerensky or Capt. Gail Piazzi of the Redfield Renegades. So they do not have to recognize your Corbett Bloodname either. MWO Bloodnames need to be earned Online in a MWO tourney.

Sure sure. Well when you do you let me know will you?

As I said they have no control over how a Clan operates & whatever you did in the past is your business. I did not ask it about because I do not care because it bears no weight on MY experiences. When MS made the MW games they created a single player campaign for everyone to play to get a story rich experience out of it but also allowed multiplayer.

If they never stated from back in MW3 (that was my 1st MW game so I cannot speak for the people that started with MW2) that when you go online to play the game you are restricted in the following ways regarding the lore: who the hell are you or PGI to do so? AGAIN, the group of individuals that create a Clan, House or Merc Unit decide the rules & regulations that they CHOOSE to abide by.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 October 2013 - 01:32 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Added the following Bloodnames:

T


Tani, Laura CBr
Tsagaanbaatar, Sonja CCC
Tarantino, Chad CFM
Tazegül, Yu CGS
Thompson, Yelena CHH
Tae-Young, Logan CMn
Takahira, Reggie CDS
Timoney, Espe CDS
Topi, Moon CSA
Tola, Alba Maria CSV
Tomas, Andrei CWm
Tyumenbaev, Lesya CWm
Tarr, Irina CWf

[CyclonerM]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 October 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

Solome was unable to bear child and Jamie Wolf provided a means to help his friends become parents. Over strongly voiced protests of Natasha Kerensky I might add.

I start to remember something..

[Joseph Mallan]

Jaroth Winson, on 09 October 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Sure sure. Well when you do you let me know will you?

As I said they have no control over how a Clan operates & whatever you did in the past is your business. I did not ask it about because I do not care because it bears no weight on MY experiences. When MS made the MW games they created a single player campaign for everyone to play to get a story rich experience out of it but also allowed multiplayer.

If they never stated from back in MW3 (that was my 1st MW game so I cannot speak for the people that started with MW2) that when you go online to play the game you are restricted in the following ways regarding the lore: who the hell are you or PGI to do so? AGAIN, the group of individuals that create a Clan, House or Merc Unit decide the rules & regulations that they CHOOSE to abide by.

What you did in the past has no bearing on this game. You earned a Bloodname in a previous (different) game. That cannot be taken from you, but PGI does not need to honor it, and neither do I or anyone else. If I fought for and won the Kerensky Bloodname at my Table against 15 other players, CatLabs or PGI does not have to recognize my accomplishments. As far as this game is concerned you are only MW Jaroth of House Winson. The Clan Wolf that will someday be formed has Zero Bloodnamed players. They need to populate those billets and until they do, and for this game not a single player has the right to claim they have a Bloodname.

BTW two errata fixes are posted above.


Also, If it means anything, for all the work you are doing to list all the Bloodnames, PGI should allow you to pick the Bloodname you want for this game.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 10 October 2013 - 03:22 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

As I said in your view that maybe the case but I & the other players who have fought for & won Bloodnames in previous games do not care what you think.

Where does it say what is in the book is incorrect?

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 10 October 2013 - 03:55 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jaroth Winson, on 10 October 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

As I said in your view that maybe the case but I & the other players who have fought for & won Bloodnames in previous games do not care what you think.

Where does it say what is in the book is incorrect?

Then both of us are in agreement. Neither of us are worried what the other thinks. As a former Game Rep (FanPro Commando), If it isn't won from an official source you won nothing.

The corrections I listed are from the CBT forum, true they are basically grammatical mistakes with the exception of the Starslayer variant Errata.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 10 October 2013 - 04:15 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

CyclonerM, on 09 October 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

About Bloodnames - Do you really expect PGI to run official Trials of Bloodright? And why should ComStar do it? It is better if they work on the game , players should think about this kind of stuff, never heard of "official" Trials.

Shouldn't be to difficult. Advertise a tourney for name X. Members of Clan Y only. Make money. Back in the day As a Commando we could ask to have a Bloodname Tourney, Our boss would send it up the chain and TPTB would give us the name to be fought for. We then sent the results back to FanPro.

[Novakaine]

Haha you clankers.
Add Carrot to the bloodname list.
Because there won't be any Clans here.
Oh by the way...........
There are no Clans.
The Clans do not exist.
The Clans are a myth.
You have been warned.
FedCom MilSec

[Jaroth Corbett]

Probably why MS never dabbled in it at all. It is up the individual Clans so you can shout, "None of you have Bloodnames!" until you are blue in the face, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK. Joseph Mallan does not invalidate the successes of countless people spanning across at least four versions of Mechwarrior games. Sorry to burst your bubble but you are not important. Your view on who does or does not have a Bloddname is as about as relevant as air conditioning in the Arctic.

Also all you have shown me is typos. I will not even bother to check the BT forums. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. A 3 is actually a 2 & armor should be laser. Some serious errata there. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 10 October 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 October 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Shouldn't be to difficult. Advertise a tourney for name X. Members of Clan Y only. Make money. Back in the day As a Commando we could ask to have a Bloodname Tourney, Our boss would send it up the chain and TPTB would give us the name to be fought for. We then sent the results back to FanPro.

Oh,great, now they should make money with "official" Trials, quiaff?
What i say is that they have no time to stick around in official announcment thread for more than a day to answer questions, so why should they have time to do tournaments like that? Remember that there is not any built feature to do a tournament aside from random matches. And in this way if you want to keep close to canon (and PGI is not famous for sticking to it) then for every tournament only 1 player will achieve a Bloodname each time..
And they should have to organize at least a ToB for each of the invading Clans..

As you can see the best thing would be to have private matches = tools to make our own ToBs.