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[Opus]

Looking for Moderators for the website

[Adridos]

Dihm, on 30 April 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

One of these days your eyes are going to fall out from the constant eye-rolling Adridos. I'm not sure if you're aware or not, but that is generally a condescending expression.

I don't think so. I do a lot of it during my normal day, too and I still seem to have 2 eyes.

[Vexgrave Lars]

Tyzh, on 30 April 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

No it's not. It refers collectively to a number of unassociated wolves. They are wolves, because there is more than one of them, but they don't necessarily have to be working together in a pack to be referred to collectively.

"Lone wolves work by themselves."
All of them share that quality, and so you can refer to them collectively to make that statement.

It is an oxymoron, unless you quantify they identity of the group while identifying the individuals in the group in context.

You can say "A dozen eggs sat in the carton, each in its container" like you can say "a dozen lone wolves attacked the town, from different directions"

Again.. context is important, you can get around the oxymoron, you just need to quantify contextually or assign a proper name.

"Lone wolves work by themselves" identifies exactly what I said, your'e quantifying the singular identity of each, by later in the sentence identifying that they are acting as individuals within a group. So because of your context, that statement is fine.

In addressing a group of persons you can also say "OK, you bunch of lone wolves, its time to party." and again your container "a bunch" which contextually identifies those at the party as a conglomerate, but "lone wolves" in this case, or the contents of the group, identifies each individual as a wolf at the party, singular supporting the "lone" descriptor of the identity, you enable the adjective.

"Lone Wolves" in and as title only - is an oxymoron by itself, just like, Lone Stars, Lone Dogs, Lone persons, without supporting context. Modern lingual customization like team names, strengthen our lazy speaking behavior, we don't say "The Lone Stars Team." for instance, they'd be "The Lone Stars" In speech, but we are identifying a proper name here again supporting that in the context of the original poster, Lone Wolfs is no better, nor worse that Lone Wolves, because he/she is a addressing type of individuals, within the group, without the "embrace of grouping" if you will, of integrating the individuals in context.

Oxymoron a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”

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Edited by Vexgrave Lars, 30 April 2012 - 10:32 AM.

[Dihm]

Adridos, on 30 April 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

I don't think so. I do a lot of it during my normal day, too and I still seem to have 2 eyes.

Ahh, one of THOOOSE.

[Opus]

Profanus Lupus = Godless Wolf

Edited by Opus, 01 May 2012 - 09:41 AM.

[Insidious Johnson]

I'll help that site stay active and post. I want no part of moderation or leadership. That'd be like forcing Paul to wear a tutu that wasn't pink... just cruel.

[Oswin Aurelius]

TL;DR, Vexgrave.

(actually I did, I just have no idea how to respond to someone who cares THAT much about grammar and linguistics)

[mitsurugi]

I agree with you on the fun and not wanting to be tatt'ed yet. Granted, I may make up a group that is similar to the old puter game crescent hawks revenge, if i can't remake it. Not for sure bout it, but batting that idea around. Damn decent battletech rpg( overall). rivaled with mechassult 2 imho. But the site could be used to help us find better game mates and such, then I'm all for it, as well as keep an eye out for the incompetent ppl who HAVE command seats. There is always those social generals ( not going to name names *coughfedsunscough*) and well, we got to nip it in the bud.

[Opus]

ok, beta announced, lone wolf site active, memorial day weekend.. camping with no access to the internet, damn.

we'll get pack attacks ready, soon with things closing in shortly on beta, and final release

[PANZERBUNNY]

Isn't it "wolves" and not "wolfs"?

[OU812]

Wow , feels like grammer school , the lone player can name him/herself anything they want , even if the grammer is not up to someone else's standerds......jeeesssh

(waits for spelling to be corrected)

[GHQCommander]

The title grabbed me.

I thought it was going to be a discussion on actual lone wolf players, encouraging them to play in Merc Corps.

[Psyche]

Actually, Lone Wolf's are a listed Unit in a campaign (Coventry I think - the planet in Davion->Draconis March that produces Centurions, Hatchetman and Trebuchet battlemechs) during the 3020's. Even there its listed as a Unit but not actually representing a Mercenary Unit but rather an Agency/Administrative organisation that works for Independant Mechwarriors [akin to a lawyer/PR agency/Temporary Labor service] which is different than the Mercenary Review Board and similar in that it works 'For' the represented Mechwarriors (the Mechwarrior's lawyer) instead of 'for Society' (a regulatory entity - Court).

also Lone Wolf's is the proper term as its selling individual mechwarriors not groups/units of them, one could call the entire organisation the lone wolves (meaning all the indepedant mechwarriors) but not the Lone Wolves (Lone Wolves is not the organisations Name).

Reason why it would exist? Known or Named Merc's are incredibully rare and expensive, most are not Known Names. The Mercenary Review Board and all entities like it are dictated by a power greater than the most powerful Battlemech...the C-Bill. Little mercenaries tend to get the shaft a lot unless they have some professional help to protect against it, most Merc Units have that in-house even if its modest or a member doing double duty, most independants will not. Lastly all those independants are heck on Friend or Foe recognition - your not going to have troops memorise the unit designations of these little units that may very well be fighting against you tomorrow. No they will just slap a 'random Independant Mercenary Battlemech' Logo/marker on the mercs mechs and leave it at that (which makes policing them and the mercs getting credit for their own actions/deeds very difficult).

The Lone Wolf's according to Lore/Canon are not a pretty lot. Most small time merc units and independants typically have good relations with larger and more affluent Merc or House units and get contracts/jobs by referral from those larger units. Most small independant work doesn't involve enough money to justify effort on the part of the Mercenary Review Board, so it gets handled on the side by other Merc Units administration (The administration is effectively a middle man between the review board and the merc - serving both sides and to what degree whose getting served will vary greatly - some will screw over the merc while others may screw over the parties that issued the contract so to speak). The Lone Wolf's represented the lowest of the low mechwarriors: those who climbed up from the Dispossessed the hard way, Deserter's from both House and Merc Units, Bandits going straight [temporarily maybe], and occasionally an actual Mechwarrior House [that was very unpopular or in exile]. Among Kuritan's they would be called Ronin (masterless Samurai).

As I recall from memory, the campaign showed the worth and problems of the Lone Wolf's [they represented 1/3rd of the battlemechs present in the fighting and stated that some of them 're-negotiated' contracts during engagements [jumped side], settled battles via proxy battles [where they represented both sides of a battle] with other lone wolf's [1vs1 mech duels some not even with mech's]. reports of war crimes [slaughtering civilians, captives, rapings, pillaging, looting (often when they weren't hired by either side ), etc.]

Bear in mind this is all from Memory, I think it may be referenced in Wolf Dragoons reference book (the Bounty Hunter before becoming Known was a lone wolf), as well as some 3025 technical manuals.

So the website seems to be 'spot on' as to what it should be from what I see. It fits Lore, purpose and functional identity. I can safely say the Meta game in MW:O will suck if there isn't a lot of bidding/haggling/negiotiating among players involved to build 'teams' to win objectives. I was hoping for a lobby (the Dropship - Preparation lobby - ) that serves that exact function with another lobby (bar or something) thats more social and laid back [long term contracts and general rumor mongering, smack talk, etc.]

[Juantus]

I think what you are doing is great. Those that make jokes and puns about it are probably clanners who want members. Yea I clan (Merc Corps baby) but I think what you are trying to do for those who go it alone is great, everyone need a haven and a pub to talk with mates. If you need some help hit me up, or talk with ReconDoc at BBGclan. He designs website for business and I know he would help you if needed as would I...with gfx of course...lol

[plodder]

The Lone Wolf/Wolves road can be difficult, there are many reasons, and the results are hard. I respect those that want to to exist within self dependance, and I think this place is a place that will allow for some community. I was a Lone Wolf for a while. I think those that will excel will be heavily sought out, to join a faction. I look forward to the best of you to jump with us, and the rest to enjoy what we have to offer. I believe you will be able(no inside knowledge) choose the faction you jump with. Seek us out to jump with if you can, give me a shout out, I think you guys will play an interesting role, not to be overlooked. Enjoy your lot!!! thanks uncle danno

[Spidren]

A good idea, whether it will flourish or decay will be interesting to find out. Good luck.

[Chillybill]

Nice idea, considering it for myself!

[Baron Rivera]

Opus - if you are still pushing ahead with this idea, please pm me. I have some thoughts on the site and would like to help.

[DoctorJest]

Registered for the site and will be viewing it regularly - for many reasons I just don't see myself being sought after by Merc. Corps so Lone Wolf it is.....

[plodder]

Greetings Lone dudes , How's things? Hopefully smile'n and style'n. Enjoy the thought of dropping with the best of you , see ya around! uncle danno