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[Fetladral]

Or the fact that there is already a WHITE DOTTED LINE THAT SHOWS WHICH WAY YOUR LEGS ARE FACING AND A "TRIANGLE" SHOWING WHICH WAY YOUR TORSO IS FACING. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING PILLS HERE. Am I the only one who noticed this? It's on your battlegrid and doesn't take that long to look at.

[JAFO]

EpicStoryGuy, on 16 November 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

The Devs have said they completely understand the third person advantage and are working on a system to compensate. So why are so many people in a tizzy?

Maybe because we actually care about the integrity of this game and it actually means something to us. There is a large dedicated battletech player base in here.

[Squidhead Jax]

EpicStoryGuy, on 16 November 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

The Devs have said they completely understand the third person advantage and are working on a system to compensate. So why are so many people in a tizzy?

Because such systems tried before have been clunky, ridiculous, and/or failures at maintaining actual balance.

Now, if they were going to make it a module with assosciated cost, opportunity cost, and risk of disablement, fitting into a spectrum of camera drones/UAVs, that'd be vastly different. It would, however, obviously not fall in the realm of newbie-friendliness.

[Talos Valcoran]

Mortavore, on 16 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I hope they add it in. One of the things that I find hard to do is keep track of where my feet are vs. were i'm looking.

you serious???

If you already have problems with that, you should stop playing immediately and install "hello kitty online" on your system.

Edited by Talos Valcoran, 16 November 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Sorry Garth, there is no positive way to add a Third Person view to this game with out it fundamentally changing the game. As you stated, 1st person is sacrosanct to this game, and even adding in the OPTION will force those who abhor this option to use it because of the tactical advantages it will gives those who use it religiously. Sorry again Garth, but, Paul said this game will be 100% first person ONLY, and to do go back on that core pillar is a huge mistake and an even larger breach of trust to all of us. Please, do not add it, I personally beg this of you, as it will change this game in ways that are not in the spirit of this game, or in the spirit of what the majority of us want.

[SilentSooYun]

While I would like an easier way to admire/take pictures of my Mech in-game, 3rd person can be very easily exploited if not carefully handled. The advantages of position and situational awareness could very, VERY easily wreck any semblance of informational warfare and reduce MWO to Unreal Tournament: Giant Robot Edition. This is not a newbie helping tool... it's a potential game-breaker.

[Daddys Revenge]

I think Run Hot or Die had the best point regarding the problem with third person view. The fear was that this would split the community into 2 camps. 3rd person players and 1st person players. Mechanics aside, nobody likes the thought of developers blowing off one side of a community because the other side is larger/spends more money.

Glory said it best "The only place for 3rd person in MwO is in spectator mode"

[IrrelevantFish]

EpicStoryGuy, on 16 November 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

The Devs have said they completely understand the third person advantage and are working on a system to compensate. So why are so many people in a tizzy?

Exactly. It took me exactly ten seconds to think of an easy-to-implement, non-arbitrary way to level the playing field between first- and third-person perspectives. I'm sure the devs can do better.

However, I'm still strongly opposed to adding third-person. It takes a lot of work to keep third-person cameras from clipping, smushing, etc, and I think their efforts would be better spent elsewhere. An improved HUD and playable tutorials would achieve much the same result and be far less expensive.

[EpicStoryGuy]

What if In third person mode if you did not have line of sight, the target didn't show up? A map tells essentially the same thing, just leave out what you can't see. Don't change the target state, just the rendering of the model.

[Rejarial Galatan]

still can be hacked Epic, still a bad idea, never going to be a good one.

[geck0 icaza]

anyone got the link where they stated they would never do this?

[Randodan]

I agree with the third person death-cam view. That's all I can handle.

[Rejarial Galatan]

geck0 icaza, on 16 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

anyone got the link where they stated they would never do this?

this work for ya?



also, from the GAME tab on the website:


How does gameplay work?

MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-based, tactical battlefield where the victors swim in the spoils of war and are rewarded with the almighty C-Bill (in-game currency).

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 16 November 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[Squidhead Jax]

Rejarial Galatan, on 16 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

still can be hacked Epic, still a bad idea, never going to be a good one.

hax will be hax, as long as the client always gets positional info, which was a problem even before now. A 'mech suddenly popping into existence when mostly in view, tho... ick.

[geck0 icaza]

thanks a bunch, I brought that up because if they have stated that this feature will not be there. They made that very clear. We made purchases based on that information. I work for a online gaming company. I work in the billing department and I spend most of my time fighting chargeback cases. Now that you have a screen shot (as well as me) we have proof. This is an easy chargeback case to win. Vote with your wallets.

[Rejarial Galatan]

what will happen if they go ahead and place in third person cameras, is, it becomes a moment of FALSE advertising by PGI and False Representation of the product by PGI, as again, we have the proof they said what they said. One would think legal would be saying: guys, you already said you would NOT do this, you advertised it as such, why invite legal issues?

[cipher]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

Sorry, have to call B.S. on that. The classic Mechwarrior experience is both 1st and 3rd person views. Only MWO broke from that tradition with no 3rd person. So please, bring back 3rd person view. It doesn't have to be zoomed out far to give anyone an advantage, but just enough to see our mechs from the outside.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Cipher, sorry buddy, but, they already said, this is a SIMULATOR, and the prior iterations were NOT simulator. This is. there is 0 way to give a third person angle that does NOT break the game, and might I add something, they already advertised, promised and declared this game 100% first person. To do anything else other than this at this point, is a breach in advertising leaning to the False Advertising that has been going on for better than a year now, as well, as open them up to, guess what, becoming a company that has no credibility as it says one thing, then does something drastically different. So, the masses have spoken, we say NO to this, as it is NOT what we the masses want.

[EpicStoryGuy]

What specifically is wrong with splitting third person view matches and first person? That lets people choose the way they would like to play w/o getting advantages.

[CabooseJr]

I think third person should enable someone to view the back of their mech with no vision outside said rear of mech. This way it won't affect those of us who want a true simulation as opposed to an arcade game.