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[Senior Knight Steele]

pow pow, on 19 June 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

meh... it's not worth it. the forums have decided and the exit polls have shown that 98% of us believe that if 3pv is ever implemented armageddon himself is going to come down on our arses and burn us all to hell.

wait and see what will happen to these forums when they hear that their precious little game is being ported (with 3pv) to their xbox and ps3.

I have two things to say regarding this. One, Armageddon is not a person, it is a place. It's where Christ will... well, it's a long story. Read the Bible. XD Two, you must not be too worried about it because you are, according to your profile, ALREADY IN HELL. O.O Just in case that 98% is right... put in a good word for us, will you? Hehehe. Also, while I have this opportunity... how's the weather down there? Is it a dry heat?

[von Pilsner]

EvilCow, on 25 March 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

Should a link between MCs and 3PV be established (like a purchasable module for example) the forum will become an even more interesting place.

A 3pv module would not really help the new guys much - it would just give advantage to those who can afford it.

The excuse for 3pv = Help new players
Modules = end game content

[Dock Steward]

Somebody clue me in. I thought this whole 3rd person view thing was dead months ago. Is it back, did it never actually leave, what is happening? Link please.

Also, do you think that is what the Command Module has been waiting to do this whole time, add 3rd PV? It's been in game for a long time and has yet to be given a purpose.

[CyBerkut]

Mystere, on 18 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Do you mean to tell me that even though all my sensors and other equipment are collectively showing me that there is an Atlas hiding behind a building and is facing left, the 3PV implementation should still not render the Atlas as indicated? If my brain can already figure that one out just by looking at my HUD, where is the 3PV advantage that you fear so much?

I don't fear it, I loathe it. The advantage is (if it is indeed possible to glean all of that particular information from other sensors in a given situation) that it removes the need for you to figure those things out from that information. The pilot should not be able to visually see such a thing without exposing himself to potentially being seen by that potential target. If the other sensors provide useful information that's great... the pilot should have to engage his/her brain and interpret it... not have it laid out on a golden platter visually when it would not be visually available to the pilot's view from in the cockpit.

If folks want that easy 3PV mode... fine. Give them their own 3PV matches, 3PV CW and 3PV ELO.

[CyBerkut]

Dock Steward, on 19 June 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Somebody clue me in. I thought this whole 3rd person view thing was dead months ago. Is it back, did it never actually leave, what is happening? Link please.

It never actually left.

From http://mwomercs.com/...evs-37-answers/
Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:53 PM by Bryan Ekman

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Gremlich Johns: When the CW mode is implemented, will it be 1st Person View only?
A: We haven’t decided on the final format. Both 3^rd and 1^st person will be available options, however we have yet to confirm how one or the other will be selected for specific scenarios, like Merc Corp vs Merc Corp.

And despite repeated questioning, we still have not been told authoritatively by a dev team member how it will work when a 3PV team attacks a planet defended by a 1PV team, or vice versa.

Belorion, on 19 June 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

They stated CW is FPV only. So...

When? Where? Something more recent than 03 May 2013? If so, please post a link. Thanks.

Lukoi, on 19 June 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Needless to say, I am interested to see this "minimal advantage" POV they are announcing and has been tested somewhat internally. Sometimes, PGI pleasantly surprises me.

Eh? Got a link to that announcement? Thanks.

[pow pow]

Senior Knight Steele, on 19 June 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

I have two things to say regarding this. One, Armageddon is not a person, it is a place. It's where Christ will... well, it's a long story. Read the Bible. XD Two, you must not be too worried about it because you are, according to your profile, ALREADY IN HELL. O.O Just in case that 98% is right... put in a good word for us, will you? Hehehe. Also, while I have this opportunity... how's the weather down there? Is it a dry heat?

Ha ha, nice one! didn't get a copy of the holy book so Jesus didn't spare me any favors. it ain't half bad down here but then again I know no better. oh and it's the bad kind of heat; so humid you can barely see through the haze and it's not even water being evaporated. kinda like caustic valley.

[Rhalgaln]

I don't have a need for an Option to enable 3rd Person View on my mech.
I need an Option to prevent 3rd Person View for the enemy.


Even if there was absolutely no advantage from having 3rd Person view enabled I just want to play a simulator in a game where all players play a simulator.

3rd person is an arcade mode and lowers the identification with the mech a player uses.

The true dieffernce is:
'Damm, I'm hit (1st person)' vs 'Damm, my mech is hit(3rd person)'

[Belorion]

CyBerkut, on 19 June 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

It never actually left.

From http://mwomercs.com/...evs-37-answers/
Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:53 PM by Bryan Ekman

And despite repeated questioning, we still have not been told authoritatively by a dev team member how it will work when a 3PV team attacks a planet defended by a 1PV team, or vice versa.

When? Where? Something more recent than 03 May 2013? If so, please post a link. Thanks.

Eh? Got a link to that announcement? Thanks.

http://mwomercs.com/...vs-40-answered/

Second question down.

[Viper69]

CyBerkut, on 19 June 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

It never actually left.
When? Where? Something more recent than 03 May 2013? If so, please post a link. Thanks.



Eh? Got a link to that announcement? Thanks.

Belorion, on 20 June 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...vs-40-answered/

Second question down.

I quoted all the 3PV questions from the ATD 40 and posted them on page 127. The link was here my friend and quoted.

[AlmightyAeng]

For those that don't like links, here's the actual text from ATD 40. Now that it's been stated, the debate has shifted to whether or not PGI will actually stick to it.

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Ghost Badger: How does PGI plan to reconcile Community Warfare matches with 3PV and 1PV? How will they reconcile matches between teams with different preferences? Or do they plan to split the CW mechanic by viewpoint?
A: The plan is to have scheduled matches will be FPV only, since these will be performed between Merc. Units. Regular matches will follow the above rules (Normal/Hardcore).

[Pando]

Lt Limpy, on 18 June 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

I'd look closer at yourself before calling others delusional...

The example you provided is rubbish, and does nothing to advocate the viewpoint that 3rd person is a benign option that provides nothing more than an aesthetic advantage.

This crappy MS paint job I made in 5 minutes shows the exact scenario where 3rd person has an obvious advantage, but by no means the only.



Player 2 has an obvious advantage over player 1 because his perspective gives him a full view of the enemy mech when the enemy mech cannot see him visually or pick him up on sensors.

The only way 3rd person should ever exist in this game is as a credit-bought timed module (like 30 second- 1 minute duration) that you install on a mech like a seismic sensor or cap module. Like a camera UAV which enemy mechs can see and shoot it down. Otherwise it is a horrendous handicap to anyone who does not use 3rd person as a gameplay option.

Dumb

[Senior Knight Steele]

pow pow, on 20 June 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

Ha ha, nice one! didn't get a copy of the holy book so Jesus didn't spare me any favors. it ain't half bad down here but then again I know no better. oh and it's the bad kind of heat; so humid you can barely see through the haze and it's not even water being evaporated. kinda like caustic valley.

Oh, man. That sounds rough. I know what it's like, though. I'm from Florida and it's summer. XD I'd mail you a Bible but it would cost like the equivalent of the U.S. national debt in postage to get it to you. Not to mention I have a feeling whoever's running the mail room down there wouldn't give it to you. >.>

[Grimmnyr]

Pando, on 20 June 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Dumb

Pando, you are willfully ignorant if you claim that 3PV does not give a player an advantage (as the picture illustrates) when using 3PV against first person view.

[Pericles]

Did any one else notice this statment?

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

So the games main focus is 1st person, yet the 3rd person game play will be in "Normal Mode"...most likely, the main focus of the game

Edited by Pericles, 20 June 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Kraven Kor]

Dax Legend, on 10 January 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

3rd person view help peoples to see who is behind.
I think that will change the game drasticly, and everyone will drop 1st person because of the advantage of 3rd person view.

If they add this option, that just give MWO looks like all others MMO and remove the "SIM" feeling.
It's ok for me to add this option ONLY if in this view HUD will be disabled, so no one can lock or fire while in this view.

"All of this has happened before, all of this shall happen again."

Only, this time, without an awesome single player experience to still enjoy once you give up on the multiplayer.

[Pando]

Ed Steele, on 20 June 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Pando, you are willfully ignorant if you claim that 3PV does not give a player an advantage (as the picture illustrates) when using 3PV against first person view.

You're woefully ignorant if you claim that 3pv will be implemented as that picture illustrates.

[Kraven Kor]

Pando, on 20 June 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

You're woefully ignorant if you claim that 3pv will be implemented as that picture illustrates.

Are we?

I am not saying it WILL BE implemented in that way.

I'm saying I'm not convinced that it will not be. If they prove me wrong, and I hope they do, awesome.

I will say I am "not optimistic" given the overall pattern of promise vs. delivery.

[Pihoqahiak]

Pando, on 20 June 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

You're woefully ignorant if you claim that 3pv will be implemented as that picture illustrates.

What are you basing that opinion on Pando? You have nothing more to support your position than Ed has for their position, or most anyone else you have disagreed with on this thread. Almost every single other game using a third person view is able to use it to look over obstacles and around corners to some extent. You, with your touted professional level of gaming experience should know this. Yet even with that knowledge, you argue that this will not be the case somehow for MW Online.

[Grimmnyr]

Pando, on 20 June 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

You're woefully ignorant if you claim that 3pv will be implemented as thatch picture illustrates.

Yes, I would have been if that had been my claim.

[NoSkillRush]

Why is 3rd person view even being considered right now? Don't you developers have more important things to work on? This is extremely frustrating.

Edited by FileTitan, 20 June 2013 - 02:30 PM.