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[DirePhoenix]

Morhadel, on 16 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Silent Majority??????? so everyone who does not post or vote there opinion is for 3pv? So in the next Presidential elections, anyone who doesn't vote, do we count their "Silent Majority" vote for the democrats or the republicans?

What is more likely is that the "Silent Majority" is split the same way the "Vocal Minority" is. 90% against 3pv, 10% for it.

There is no "vote". We, the non-developers, do not make design decisions. The poll you are referencing is an opinion poll. An opinion poll in which the self-selected participants optionally participate in, and therefore inherently biased and not representative of the entire playerbase, current or potential. You are not making a decision on anything when you participate in a poll like that.

Not to say that I think that a 3pv gameplay option is a good decision (because I don't), but you can't use polls like that to get reliable information.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 20 July 2013 - 10:45 AM.

[Zvanya]

I wil be very disapointed if 3rd person view is added to the game. The difference in situational awareness will completely change game balance.

Please no

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Zvanya, on 31 July 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

I wil be very disapointed if 3rd person view is added to the game. The difference in situational awareness will completely change game balance.

Please no

Too late, despite what we think on our island, they are convinced it is a good idea.

[DeaconW]

Zvanya, on 31 July 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

I wil be very disapointed if 3rd person view is added to the game. The difference in situational awareness will completely change game balance.

Please no

It's OK...they will add a "view scale" mechanic that causes your screen to blackout if you look around too much in 3PV...

[Unbound Inferno]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Hi Mechwarriors,

...

Over the course of development, we’ve had a huge number of requests for a 3^rd person camera option. At this early stage, it’s something we feel that warrants further analysis, understanding and exploration.

...

Cheers,
The MechWarrior Online Team

Odd question comes to mind at this time... how many is a "huge number of requests warranting further analysis" that leads to you placing 3PV in, when this topic has over 144 pages (that's 2,869 responses - most of them against it) of which many are telling you we don't want 3PV in an environment of 1PV since they both don't mesh for many, many reasons already stated.

Could there be an answer?


Mainly cause I think there's a great deal more over in Gameplay Balance requesting serious changes and different approaches to problems caused by quite a bit of imbalance found in this game of which could be a great deal more important than introducing this controversial feature...

[Filter41]

Unbound Inferno, on 01 August 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Odd question comes to mind at this time... how many is a "huge number of requests warranting further analysis" that leads to you placing 3PV in, when this topic has over 144 pages (that's 2,869 responses - most of them against it) of which many are telling you we don't want 3PV in an environment of 1PV since they both don't mesh for many, many reasons already stated.

to be honest:
1) I WANT THE 3PV! i want to see my mech, my own camo style and the dynamic of running and jumping around in different enviroments and firing wweapons at the same time. WOW! I hope it will be a great experience...
2) I WANT THE POSSIBILITY TO PLAY BOTH PERSPECTIVES! but i dont need the possibility to switch in the ongoing match...
3) I DONT WANT OPPONENTS IN 3PV WHEN I AM IN 1PV! 1PV has disatvantages in relation to 3PV, no doubt. Instead of devoloping new kinds of balancing between them (plz not a new "heat/view scaling"-disaster!!!), just split the queue: everyone has to decide what PV will be in use for themself at the lobby (yes, there should be one!). Then you got matched just with opps using the same perspective...

Are there any problems with these desires?

Edited by Filter41, 01 August 2013 - 04:05 AM.

[Dracol]

Well, in case y'all didn't hear, 3pv goes live on the test server today. I for one will be seeing what it's all about in the afternoon session round 7 eastern.

[pantherzero]

well they were right 3pv barely gives any advantage but that only holds true if you completely suck at shooter games and are terrible at team play which having seen some of the live streams I can understand while they would think it would be balanced =] /gladIDidntGetPheonix more money for cs ships instead

[Ghostwolfe]

I've seen the 3PV. Everybody in my merc unit is unhappy with it and talking about things like not playing anymore or it killing the game. For my personal .02, I don't like it. It clearly changes the tactical aspect of the game in dramatic ways. Cover means a lot less with it and losing the importance of cover in game like this is a slippery slope for PGI to be going down just to make the game look cooler to potential customers. You could lose your hardcore base of passionate customers. I for one purchased the Overlord package but if the 3PV goes live and if I have to use 3PV just to stay competitive in game, I won't be spending anymore money in game. It's a game changer and not in a good way.

[darkfall13]

DirePhoenix, on 20 July 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

There is no "vote". We, the non-developers, do not make design decisions. The poll you are referencing is an opinion poll. An opinion poll in which the self-selected participants optionally participate in, and therefore inherently biased and not representative of the entire playerbase, current or potential. You are not making a decision on anything when you participate in a poll like that.

Not to say that I think that a 3pv gameplay option is a good decision (because I don't), but you can't use polls like that to get reliable information.

You kinda missed the point of of Morhadel's post (fyi he didn't reference "the" poll either). It's that PGI has come out many times talking about this silent majority in huge numbers wanting 3PV, but how do they know this? If... that majority is silent... And as you've already pointed out there's the bias of anti-3PV but... if this majority wants it they don't say it... because they're silent. See how this is contradictory? Kinda looks like PGI is pulling it out of thin air. Sure, they've mentioned being asked for 3PV but just as you've mentioned, well that would be biased as well.

Filter41, on 01 August 2013 - 02:56 AM, said:

to be honest:
1) I WANT THE 3PV! i want to see my mech, my own camo style...

Go away this isn't Glamor-Warrior Online.

[MayhemStrider]

The people who actually spend money on this game are not happy with this decision, with respect. STAAAHHHHHHHHHP

[Muckaday]

Sorry I missed this from the start, but I just started...

question to the developers...if you're in third person camera, how the hell are you using your HUD? Hmmmm...

I think there are HUGE gaps with this implementation if what the people who have seen it are saying, if they play 3PV, they should suffer the pen and paper penalty, no aim, just random hit boxes based on point and click and a random roll...
1PV people should be able to target, otherwise, well...then it's just a video game and not a Sim....I might as well go buy a PS4...

I wouldn't mind 3pv if it were say from the UAV, and only for the time it's operational, otherwise...meh...might as well play tekken.

I do like the idea that there should be 'modes' and 3rd person should fall under 'training wheels/squishy care bear'. And believe me, I'm no L33T uber Z3rg player. But I signed up to play a Sim, with other live being playing a Sim. Sooooo....

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Morhadel, on 16 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Silent Majority??????? so everyone who does not post or vote there opinion is for 3pv? So in the next Presidential elections, anyone who doesn't vote, do we count their "Silent Majority" vote for the democrats or the republicans?

What is more likely is that the "Silent Majority" is split the same way the "Vocal Minority" is. 90% against 3pv, 10% for it.

About time someone cleaned up with this bul lshit "silent majority is 100% 3PV" attitude. Thanks, Morhadel.

[Belorion]

They know because people ask for it. They used to ask for it in the forums, and they ask for it via email, and they ask for it in person.

Hardcorp mode makes many of your fears unecessary.

The people that tried it out think its no big deal.


The 3pv beacon of here I am removes any tactical advantage of seeing the enemy without them seeing you, in fact the reverse is more likely the case.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Filter41, on 01 August 2013 - 02:56 AM, said:

to be honest:
1) I WANT THE 3PV! i want to see my mech, my own camo style and the dynamic of running and jumping around in different enviroments and firing wweapons at the same time. WOW! I hope it will be a great experience...
2) I WANT THE POSSIBILITY TO PLAY BOTH PERSPECTIVES! but i dont need the possibility to switch in the ongoing match...
3) I DONT WANT OPPONENTS IN 3PV WHEN I AM IN 1PV! 1PV has disatvantages in relation to 3PV, no doubt. Instead of devoloping new kinds of balancing between them (plz not a new "heat/view scaling"-disaster!!!), just split the queue: everyone has to decide what PV will be in use for themself at the lobby (yes, there should be one!). Then you got matched just with opps using the same perspective...

Are there any problems with these desires?

Well actually yes, they're all based the words "I WANT" can you see the problem with that? I sure hope so otherwise you are in for some rude awakenings in life.

[Belorion]

Randalf Yorgen, on 02 August 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Well actually yes, they're all based the words "I WANT" can you see the problem with that? I sure hope so otherwise you are in for some rude awakenings in life.

Obviously he is not alone which is why PGI is implementing it. Think logically for a moment. If no one wanted it, there would be no business case for implementing it.

[Filter41]

Randalf Yorgen, on 02 August 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

I sure hope so otherwise you are in for some rude awakenings in life.

heyho randalf,
at first: yes i already had some "rude awakenings" in my life and i am sure there are still some to come!
Now to the topic: i sure hope you noticed, that my "I want" was an answer on the question, if there is anyone at all who wants 3PV. In a thread about 3PV, their pros, cons, our desires and fears is an "I want" just a reasonable answer... Your "i dont want 3PV" (?) is fine for me too, as you maybe read in my point 3.).
I am sure we could have some good matches in 1PV (or maybe already had some).

darkfall13, on 01 August 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Go away this isn't Glamor-Warrior Online.

heyho darkfall, it is not about glamour, belive me. It is more about impression and excitement! ...mhhmmm... yeah, maybe it is a bit about glamour. so you got me!
Best

Edited by Filter41, 02 August 2013 - 05:13 AM.

[Dantiger]

Muckaday, on 02 August 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

Sorry I missed this from the start, but I just started...

question to the developers...if you're in third person camera, how the hell are you using your HUD? Hmmmm...

I think there are HUGE gaps with this implementation if what the people who have seen it are saying, if they play 3PV, they should suffer the pen and paper penalty, no aim, just random hit boxes based on point and click and a random roll...
1PV people should be able to target, otherwise, well...then it's just a video game and not a Sim....I might as well go buy a PS4...

I wouldn't mind 3pv if it were say from the UAV, and only for the time it's operational, otherwise...meh...might as well play tekken.

I do like the idea that there should be 'modes' and 3rd person should fall under 'training wheels/squishy care bear'. And believe me, I'm no L33T uber Z3rg player. But I signed up to play a Sim, with other live being playing a Sim. Sooooo....

3PV is a already terrible for combat, but since you can swap the view mode easily, it gives a big tactical advantage since you can use the superior field of view to see over corners and hills, and then change to 1PV to fight

Belorion, on 02 August 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

The 3pv beacon of here I am removes any tactical advantage of seeing the enemy without them seeing you, in fact the reverse is more likely the case.

I didn't got the chance to see for myself, but for what I saw on videos and what I head, its still gives a big tactical advantage. and can drastically change they way the battles are fought. and if that is true, it have the potential to split the hardcore and new players even more. since new players will have a harder time to get used to the "hardcore mode" matches

[DirePhoenix]

darkfall13, on 01 August 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

You kinda missed the point of of Morhadel's post (fyi he didn't reference "the" poll either). It's that PGI has come out many times talking about this silent majority in huge numbers wanting 3PV, but how do they know this? If... that majority is silent... And as you've already pointed out there's the bias of anti-3PV but... if this majority wants it they don't say it... because they're silent. See how this is contradictory? Kinda looks like PGI is pulling it out of thin air. Sure, they've mentioned being asked for 3PV but just as you've mentioned, well that would be biased as well.

It's silent to the public. You're assuming that the feedback you read is the only feedback they receive.

Also, a game's forums are rarely ever a good representation of the actual playerbase of the game.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 02 August 2013 - 05:47 AM.

[DeaconW]

Belorion, on 02 August 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

Obviously he is not alone which is why PGI is implementing it. Think logically for a moment. If no one wanted it, there would be no business case for implementing it.

The 3PV poll/thread below could be evidence that fully 33% of the MWO gamers are either of diminished mental capacity or out and out liars. Neither of which bodes well for the future of the game. So you may be on to something...

http://mwomercs.com/...-2013-feedback/

I am seriously considering taking the time to put everyone who voted "no tactical advantage" on my ignore list...but then I'd miss game updates by Garth (Yep, he voted for his own idea...how classy). How anyone could look at any of the 1PV/3PV comparison pics in that thread and conclude "no tactical advantage" is truly baffling.