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[Steel Prophet]

This question has been on and off in my mind for a couple of years now and i think this forum is a good place to share this though and of course to hear what others might think about it.

So the question is: What would have happend if the clans won the Battle of Tukayyid and if the Battle never took place and the clans reached Terra on their own terms?
There were 7 invading clans. But if i understood the whole matter correct there can be only one IlClan. So how do they decide which clan would it be?
The "rules" say that the first clan that conqueres Terra will be the IlClan but i doubt that Clan Jade Falcon would have accepted Clan Wolf as the IlClan and follow them without questioning. Same goes for a Clan Smoke Jaguar or any other Clan. As soon as the first Clan (which ever it might have been) conqueres Terra I assume that there would be one Trial of Refusal following the other because no Clan could accept any other.

Not to speak of the Succesor States. I can hardly imagine the Federated Suns drop their weapons and follow the Clans just because they conquered Terra. So the whole point of creating a new Star League under the clans is a bit... designed to fail i guess.

It might have worked if they returned some 20 years after the Exodus but it's been almost 300.

So what are your thoughts on this?

[Haakon Valravn]

The answer is simple:

1- Conquer Terra
2- ????
3- Profit!

[Adridos]

They would be confused. They never really planned past the renovation of Star League.

[Strattus]

I never really thought about this one.... I guess they would continue cursing the rest the galaxy for being freeborn, fight amongst themselves, and come up with some more weird rituals and customs to follow before converting to capitalism.....

[Kenyon Burguess]

1. clans capture all the planets in the IS
2. clans get back to killing each other over politics and technology

-thats the insidious part of the clans hypocracy. they are no different than the IS, they just have better technology

[Claw55]

Better question: What will become of the Spheroids? In the event the Clanners win, we will travel beyond the periphery, creating a new civilization, free from the corruption of our past! We will then spend several generations training superior warriors and improving our technology, while the Clans grow overconfident and forget us. Then, when they least expect it, we will return and take back what is rightfully ours!

Edited by Claw55, 02 May 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[Baldwin Chang]

Claw55, on 30 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Better question: What will become of the Spheroids? In the even the Clanners win, we will travel beyond the periphery, creating a new civilization, free from the corruption of our past! We will then spend several generations training superior warriors and improving our technology, while the Clans grow overconfident and forget us. Then, when they least expect it, we will return and take back what is rightfully ours!

+1 Internet.

[Claw55]

Jeremiah Mint, on 30 April 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

+1 Internet.

Thank you, kind sir! Every internet contributed generates enough power for another few light years on the voyage!

Edited by Claw55, 30 April 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[Volturnus]

Claw55, on 30 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Better question: What will become of the Spheroids? In the even the Clanners win, we will travel beyond the periphery, creating a new civilization, free from the corruption of our past! We will then spend several generations training superior warriors and improving our technology, while the Clans grow overconfident and forget us. Then, when they least expect it, we will return and take back what is rightfully ours!

So then when we invade and kick their ***** they leave and do the same thing to us, a second time?

[Darrin Thomason]

It is all cyclical, they would have gone on to conquer the planets of the in sphere, then gone into the periphery and found out how difficult it would have been. We (the Taurians) and Canopus would teach them a lesson like we did the SLDF and then they would be so upset they would leave again

[Redburn]

Mankind is inherently corrupt...... The more things change the more they stay the same.

[Joe Mallad]

Well... one thing is for sure, We will see just how far the Clans can and will go this time around. Remember... by 3049 the Clans were already pushing through the Periphery with ease.

[Claw55]

Volturnus, on 30 April 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

So then when we invade and kick their ***** they leave and do the same thing to us, a second time?

Beats the hell out of the Jihad.

Edited by Claw55, 30 April 2012 - 12:06 PM.

[AlanEsh]

I believe at that point both Clan and ISer would settle a planet full of primitives, and become our ancestors...

[Volturnus]

Claw55, on 30 April 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Beats the hell out of the Jihad.

Touché...

[Claw55]

Angelicon, on 30 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I believe at that point both Clan and ISer would settle a planet full of primitives, and become our ancestors...

Please. Don't go down this road. You'll fry all our brains.

Edited by Claw55, 30 April 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[trycksh0t]

I'd have to agree with the OP up to the point of the Clans fighting Trials against each other all over the place.

However, the Clans made a critical mistake when they returned, that being the mad dash to Terra itself, ignoring the rest of the Sphere that wasn't in their way. Because of this, decent chunks of the Draconis Combine and Lyran Alliance would be left untouched, and the Federated Commonwealth, Free World's League, and Capellan Confederation would be untouched, except for a few border worlds.

So, while the Clans are busy beating themselves over the head and bickering like school children over who gets to be the IlClan, the remainder of the Inner Sphere would kick them back to where they belong.

[Baldwin Chang]

Angelicon, on 30 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I believe at that point both Clan and ISer would settle a planet full of primitives, and become our ancestors...

[Tyzh]

The clans accept that the ilKhan isn't from their clan, and follow them anyway. I don't see a Trial of Refusal happening unless there was ambiguity as to who actually captured Terra. Otherwise, they'd just remake the "Star League" in their own image and go about subjugating the innersphere.

[Hawkeye 72]

I don't believe the Clans would have rebelled against an ilClan, even if it had been Clan Wolf. During the invasion the Clans were still very united in their cause and effort. The Jade Falcons followed a Wolf ilKhan even, however they did try to sabotage their progress by bringing in the Steel Vipers, Nova Cats, and Diamond Sharks.

If Tukayyid had never occurred, no doubt the Clans would have reached Terra and cut a channel right through the middle of the Inner Sphere. This would have created a logistical nightmare for trade and commerce between the Successor States. The war was going rather poorly for the Inner Sphere already

Now, it is highly unlikely Comstar would have relinquished Terra, so I have a good feeling there would have been a massive battle not seen since Amaris the Usurper on Earth. It is very possible they could have stalled the Clan invasion here as well, however being at their targets doorstep would probably ended with the Clans throwing everything they have at the planet.

Picture a battle similar to what the United States estimated had we invaded Japan in World War II.

If Terra had been won, the Clans would have refocused their efforts on capturing the whole of the Inner Sphere and quelling Successor States that did not recognize their rule. At this point I would have predicted more Homeworld Clans entering the Inner Sphere. 16+ Clans fighting the Successor States would have brought the Inner Sphere to complete collapse.

I would not see Clan society destructing until after the Inner Sphere was conquered. The Clans did not fall apart until after Tukayyid where the truce left them without an enemy to fight. Many Clans lamented the fact that 3 generations of warriors were now wasted because of the Truce. If the invasion had continued, the common enemy would have largely prevented Clan rivalries from undoing their cooperation.

After the Inner Sphere was conquered, I would expect Clan society to unravel with no one left to fight, and within a century would have resembled the very thing they conquered.

Edited by Hawkeye 72, 30 April 2012 - 01:10 PM.