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[Tyr Sallus]

I think the system poses a challenge to the pilot. A good one at that. It forces you to judge your mech selections, your loadouts etc....

I currently own two hunchbacks the 4G, and the 4J. I made the decision to buy the 4J and start unlocking the basics because I really enjoy the 4G. Now I've found that the 4J is a very useful platfrom as well and offers a different playstyle as well. If I hadn't liked the 4G, I would have sold it off and never even considered going for the Elite proficiencies.

I think a pilot needs to carefully consider his mechs, their loadouts, his style of combat and whether he plays alone in a match or in a coordinated lance of mechs. Does it take a lot of time and C-Bills? Absolutely. Is it worth it? I hope so. If not, I will find another mech class and begin again.

Edited by Tyr Sallus, 20 November 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[HaBaLeS]

The Devs want to earn some money so they build a system which encourages you to pay. If we wouldnt pay them with Real money the would stop working on this game.

So get yourself some premium Time ~1$/Day. You make 1M C$/h easily if you have a good team.
If you have lots of XP convert it to GXP for a vew Bucks and the Devs will make the game even better.

There is no such thing as Free to Play ... but MWO is a real cheap game if you compare to others.

Edited by HaBaLeS, 20 November 2012 - 07:08 AM.

[indigo]

Sevaradan, on 20 November 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Did I say anything about 3 versions? You guys must have horrible win %s or something. I've mastered out the atlas, hunchback, cat and jenner since OB started non premium, non founders and still have more cash left over than I could spend, (at least until a new mech I want to play comes out) somewhere around 35 million last time I actually looked at the c-bill #s.

ehm u are aware of the fact that u need 3 versions to unlock the elite?

[Rotaugen]

Another whiny thread by an entitled free player who doesn't seem to realize that without paying people like me, he wouldn't even have a game to play. This is actually one of the least P2W games that I have seen. And it doesn't take that long to make the c-bills for another mech. I made 13 million this past weekend.

[indigo]

Gristle, on 20 November 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Wait....What?

You have a YLW, so obviously you don't have a problem spending money on this game, and also understand paying for convenience, at least at some level, then are going to rant about P2W and having to spend the MC that you've already bought to make it convenient to get the Elite and Master perks on your YLW?

who said anything about spending money on the game???? No the point here that this really is freaking stupid ... and no I dont want it to be convenient ... only sane/fair... Now I have a choice... buy the elite unlock for cash or bore myself to death playing versions of CNT that I 1. DONT LIKE, 2. DONT FIT MY PLAYSTYLE and otherwise would NEVER use ....
IF you really want to make it as the argument goes ... have it to unlock different chasis within the group eg. all mediums before unlocking the elite for a medium mech ... Ans STILL you could just buy it with C$

[indigo]

Rotaugen, on 20 November 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Another whiny thread by an entitled free player who doesn't seem to realize that without paying people like me, he wouldn't even have a game to play. This is actually one of the least P2W games that I have seen. And it doesn't take that long to make the c-bills for another mech. I made 13 million this past weekend.

Here we go with egotripping ... Wow you paid? WoW ... a quick tap on the shoulder ... so just when u pay u have the right to complain about stupid things ...
Actually I am a Founder and paid the developers $80 for the game and would do it again anytime ... but not for stupidity like this ... now I see that I am not logged in as my primary account ... nick is "McScum" ... look it up if u don't believe.... Geez

[McScum]

Just to confirm this

[AZA311]

The worst part for me is the system forces me to buy upgrades that i don't want in order to advance. Like under normal settings, i feel the movement of the torso/arms/cross-hairs is just way too fast that it gives me a headache or i can't steady my aim.

There is a good analysis in one of the threads which calculates the speed of the torso movement and basically concludes that the pilot would be thrown out the window gyrating at those speeds.

So for me, I would never want Arm speed and Torso speed upgrades but of course, i can't advance to the next stage of upgrades because of that.

My mouse settings for MWO is the lowest it can go, DPI 200 and report rate 1000.

Can anyone report? Is arm speed and torso speed upgrades that noticeable? I really want that fire convergence.

Edited by AZA311, 20 November 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[Sevaradan]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

ehm u are aware of the fact that u need 3 versions to unlock the elite?

Seeing as I've mastered 3 mech types I think I've figured that out.

[Gristle]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

...So lets say ... we have a "Hero" mech ... YLW ... ...

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

who said anything about spending money on the game???? ...

You did - YLW.

[Hou]

Wait. So we are complaining that in order to unlock a rather small amount of content in this game(xp bonuses) for free, you are forced to play content in this game? And the massive problem is that in a Free to Play game - you can pay money to make it go all of about 50% faster? And that is Pay 2 Win? Am I actually getting this right?

I didn't realize this had been released for Xbox community.

[indigo]

Gristle, on 20 November 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

You did - YLW.

So if we mention YLW you automatically assume we are talking about paying for the game???

[Shamoo]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

Ok ... this really makes me think ... why????
(I'm pretty sure that this issue has been mentioned before, but I still dont get how the design team won't listen tot the comunity....)

So lets say ... we have a "Hero" mech ... YLW ... and you like it ... or not ... besides the point. U play a lot with it and get more and more experienced with the particular version of a CNT chasis... This all goes naturally with unlocks which you get through experience.... until u get to "Elite" unlocks....

Now you have to BUY 3 different versions of CNT just to go and unlock the rest???
So... if you want to improve your mech with advanced stuff, which you are able to install because you spent so much time in that particular chasis, you need to spend time in OTHER versions of the same. WTF? Many of those versions are so far apart from each other in terms of gameplay that sometimes it is more logical to compare it to other chasis or even a class...

OK .. so will someone give me one SANE reason why I need to spend almost C$13000000 (=135!!!!!!! matches with average of 96000 pay per match) just to be able to unlock progression of the unlocks .... Oh yeah ... not to mention the extra experience you need to gain ...Situation gets even worse if you go up in the heavier classes ... it becomes nearly impossible

or .. WAIT!!!! You can always BUY the MC credit and without playing unlock these... there you are ... if that is not pay to win I really don't know it anymore....

I play particular version of the chasis, for me the most logical way of thinking is:
- you play a certain config so long that you get so much experience that you may become elite
- but due to the different gameplay styles between the versions ... that has absolutelly NO connection to the rest of the chasis or buying 3 different versions just to unlock your progression
- if you want to make it difficult to become elite and to make these modules/unlocks something special make it more expensive in XP instead in something I can buy with hard currency or C$...

this said ... I am sitting here with almost 44000 experience points on my YLW which I cannot use due to the fact that I find the rest of the centurions not fun to play and would rather spend C$ on other chasis... This way I can continue to play in my YLW for next 2 years ... become MORE than elite in it and still not be able to unlock the "Elite" stuff...

To make things even worse ... it costs MONEY to transfer these XP points to GXP points ??? WTF?

Simple answer: It's called a time sink, in other MMO's you have to grind levels. This is the MWO equivalent of an MMO level grind.

[ScientificMethod]

Hou, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wait. So we are complaining that in order to unlock a rather small amount of content in this game(xp bonuses) for free, you are forced to play content in this game? And the massive problem is that in a Free to Play game - you can pay money to make it go all of about 50% faster? And that is Pay 2 Win? Am I actually getting this right?

I didn't realize this had been released for Xbox community.

Thank you for speaking up, I was beginning to remember why I quit the forums in the first place. Maybe I'll stick around here a while longer.

As for this thread, don't demonize the company's policies for trying to make enough to keep this game running. Someone has to pay for this game, if we don't, no one will. I understand they don't hand the players everything but the learning curve here isn't as steep as EVE or other such games. They have the three mech unlocking system for a reason and though I hated it at first. I like how much it makes me work on planning out multiple builds for each mech. I wouldn't have tinkered in the mechbay for half as long without that system.

Edit: I would enjoy having the ability to save different loadouts to the same chassis though, it's not like I'm going to buy two of the exact same mech. Even if I have two favorite loadouts for it.

Edited by ScientificMethod, 20 November 2012 - 08:33 AM.

[indigo]

Hou, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wait. So we are complaining that in order to unlock a rather small amount of content in this game(xp bonuses) for free, you are forced to play content in this game? And the massive problem is that in a Free to Play game - you can pay money to make it go all of about 50% faster? And that is Pay 2 Win? Am I actually getting this right?

I didn't realize this had been released for Xbox community.

You see .. "small" amount of the content matters in this case... It's the fact that you can buy advantage for money ... And that in a free-to-play game is a problem .....
Furthermore ... I have absolutely NO PROBLEMS with developers asking for the money for the game .... I'll gladly pay for it (did ) but I have problem when they start limiting you with some ******** upgrade scheme just TO GET PAID ... *** I'd rather have a decent pay-to play system like in BF3 .. pay and PLAY ...

This way you end up paying WAY more than you normally would.... For the record ... how much was YLW??? ... C$3750 that is a lot of real money ... equivalent of players in BF3 having to pay $15 for a painted TANK....

Still, I love MW and I DID pay for it ... I have no problems with paying for something when it is not forced .... here you are forced to pay unless you are willing to pay for it ... or in the other case ... play for a very long time with things that are not interesting just to be able to continue your path with a weapon of choice ... It would be just like you unlock a SKS in BF3 and need to unlock 90% of other sniper rifles BEFORE you can get any upgrades for it ... AND giving you an option that you can unlock all you need with money!!! Fair??? Dont think so ....

The more I play the more I wish this game was PAY-TO PLAY ...

[Lee Ving]

tl;dr - I purchased a mech I don't like its series of, please fundamentally change the way you level up in game.

[Gristle]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

So if we mention YLW you automatically assume we are talking about paying for the game???

Yes, since the only way to get a YLW is with MC which = real money. IE: paying for the game.

[ScientificMethod]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

You see .. "small" amount of the content matters in this case... It's the fact that you can buy advantage for money ... And that in a free-to-play game is a problem .....
Furthermore ... I have absolutely NO PROBLEMS with developers asking for the money for the game .... I'll gladly pay for it (did ) but I have problem when they start limiting you with some ******** upgrade scheme just TO GET PAID ... *** I'd rather have a decent pay-to play system like in BF3 .. pay and PLAY ...

This way you end up paying WAY more than you normally would.... For the record ... how much was YLW??? ... C$3750 that is a lot of real money ... equivalent of players in BF3 having to pay $15 for a painted TANK....

Still, I love MW and I DID pay for it ... I have no problems with paying for something when it is not forced .... here you are forced to pay unless you are willing to pay for it ... or in the other case ... play for a very long time with things that are not interesting just to be able to continue your path with a weapon of choice ... It would be just like you unlock a SKS in BF3 and need to unlock 90% of other sniper rifles BEFORE you can get any upgrades for it ... AND giving you an option that you can unlock all you need with money!!! Fair??? Dont think so ....

The more I play the more I wish this game was PAY-TO PLAY ...

You can't buy exp though, what exactly are you complaining about with the exp system?

[indigo]

Nadia Winson, on 20 November 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

tl;dr - I purchased a mech I don't like its series of, please fundamentally change the way you level up in game.

does not have anything to do with me purchasing ylw.. that is just an example ... the same is valid for all other mechs ....

[Lon3Wo1f]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 06:07 AM, said:

So I see... you EARNED those 3 by investing SO MUCH TIME ... I guess you'd feel a lot less comfortable if I'd just "buy" myself to the same level of experience with $... THAT is what I'm talking about ... it is NOT fair..

I see so many comments here like: "it's not P2W because you can play and earn C$ and buy the same" Yeah sure .. the same argument would be valid in a situation where you'd need to play 20000hours just to get an AC20 ... is that OK?

Erm... I don't see why you react that way. I don't care if you buy the experience by converting to GXP or if you grind it like I and others have done. That is what F2P games are about - giving you a choice to grind and earn it or spend money to get there a bit faster. Whether you grind or convert to GXP you still have to earn that XP to start with. You can't just magic up XP or buy it outright.

If you're going to exaggerate claims to the extreme (20,000 hours for an AC20 lol..) then it's pretty clear you're not interested in reasoned arguments and just want to rant so go ahead. Remember, just because you wish it doesn't make it so.