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[Kilgore]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

Ok ... this really makes me think ... why????
(I'm pretty sure that this issue has been mentioned before, but I still dont get how the design team won't listen tot the comunity....)

So lets say ... we have a "Hero" mech ... YLW ... and you like it ... or not ... besides the point. U play a lot with it and get more and more experienced with the particular version of a CNT chasis... This all goes naturally with unlocks which you get through experience.... until u get to "Elite" unlocks....

Now you have to BUY 3 different versions of CNT just to go and unlock the rest???
So... if you want to improve your mech with advanced stuff, which you are able to install because you spent so much time in that particular chasis, you need to spend time in OTHER versions of the same. WTF? Many of those versions are so far apart from each other in terms of gameplay that sometimes it is more logical to compare it to other chasis or even a class...

OK .. so will someone give me one SANE reason why I need to spend almost C$13000000 (=135!!!!!!! matches with average of 96000 pay per match) just to be able to unlock progression of the unlocks .... Oh yeah ... not to mention the extra experience you need to gain ...Situation gets even worse if you go up in the heavier classes ... it becomes nearly impossible
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I actually like having to own multiple variants. It slows the game down just enough.

[DEHK]

The Herrick, on 20 November 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Yeah. If you spend the entire day doing it.

If I want to spend 8 hours being bored to death I go to work.

if you think this is work youre in the wrong game.

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

Really? Let's C ... 3 versions of CNT chasis - Need approx. 15407500 C$ with average 96000 payof per game.... 161 matches needed ... average timeplay ..lets say 8mins + 2-3 for prep and all ... 10 mins avg .. 1610minutes = 26.8 hours of gameplay ...
So NO ... not really on average you would need to play NON STOP for more than a day to buy all 3 versions of a medium mech ... just think how much a assault would cost ... just to unlock elite ... do your homework ....

it's been 2 weeks since the last patch. since then i've maxed out my CNT YLW, CNT D, and CNT AL, sold back the D and the AL, bought the Atlases RS and D DC, maxed out RS last night and sold it back(with much saddness) and will finish up the D-DC tonight. I paid for a single centurion in MC, the rest was all CB.

what the hell is wrong with you kids, those "26.8 hours of play"... the game is made to be played, not just maxed out and left in a gutter.

[Lon3Wo1f]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

<snipped bits comparing BF3 to MW>

In BF3 you originally had to earn every single piece of equipment for every gun. How is that different to MW? They later introduced the option to pay for items instead of earning them but you could still get them by grinding so...... yeah how is it different? You pay for BF3 to start with and any DLC then grind or pay for new stuff. The difference here is that there is no initial purchase and if you want to play for free forever you can. Complaining about others being able to do something because you can't doesn't make it unfair, that's life.

[indigo]

DEHK, on 20 November 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

if you think this is work youre in the wrong game.




it's been 2 weeks since the last patch. since then i've maxed out my CNT YLW, CNT D, and CNT AL, sold back the D and the AL, bought the Atlases RS and D DC, maxed out RS last night and sold it back(with much saddness) and will finish up the D-DC tonight. I paid for a single centurion in MC, the rest was all CB.

what the hell is wrong with you kids, those "26.8 hours of play"... the game is made to be played, not just maxed out and left in a gutter.

I am sorry ..., but don't get your point. Actually for people who have a life 26.8 hours of play is quite a lot ..

[indigo]

Lon3Wo1f, on 20 November 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

In BF3 you originally had to earn every single piece of equipment for every gun. How is that different to MW? They later introduced the option to pay for items instead of earning them but you could still get them by grinding so...... yeah how is it different? You pay for BF3 to start with and any DLC then grind or pay for new stuff. The difference here is that there is no initial purchase and if you want to play for free forever you can. Complaining about others being able to do something because you can't doesn't make it unfair, that's life.

Oh really??? In BF3 you need to earn the piece of equipment for every gun BY USING THAT SAME GUN ... not by using others ... Here if I only choose to play with one mech because I like it and it fits me .. I am forced to play the others ... that is not a choice .. and definitelly NOT the same as BF3

Lon3Wo1f, on 20 November 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

In BF3 you originally had to earn every single piece of equipment for every gun. How is that different to MW? They later introduced the option to pay for items instead of earning them but you could still get them by grinding so...... yeah how is it different? You pay for BF3 to start with and any DLC then grind or pay for new stuff. The difference here is that there is no initial purchase and if you want to play for free forever you can. Complaining about others being able to do something because you can't doesn't make it unfair, that's life.

Oh btw .. no you cant ... in BF3 you cant buy the upgrade for your rifle ... you have to earn it by using it...

off topic ... wasn't it today that the new patch is coming out?? Been checking the whole day ... still not there...

[Lon3Wo1f]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Oh really??? In BF3 you need to earn the piece of equipment for every gun BY USING THAT SAME GUN ... not by using others ... Here if I only choose to play with one mech because I like it and it fits me .. I am forced to play the others ... that is not a choice .. and definitelly NOT the same as BF3

Oh btw .. no you cant ... in BF3 you cant buy the upgrade for your rifle ... you have to earn it by using it...

You want to play with the higher tier guns you grind through every other gun below it unlocking them as you go. Some are level restricted and that takes even longer. You may be able to upgrade by using the same gun but with so many guns in the game there is no other way to do it. The point I'm making is that if you want something specific in BF3 beyond a gun that shoots you have to grind and earn it just as you have to do in MW. Also I never said you could buy upgrades, that's your assumption.

[Taryys]

1 hour and counting.
It is on the same time and day each week assuming everything goes as planned.

12:00 CST.

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

off topic ... wasn't it today that the new patch is coming out?? Been checking the whole day ... still not there...

Edited by Taryys, 20 November 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[indigo]

Taryys, on 20 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

1 hour and counting.
It is on the same time and day each week assuming everything goes as planned.

12:00 CST.

can't wait to try the cataphract

[Hou]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

You see .. "small" amount of the content matters in this case... It's the fact that you can buy advantage for money ... And that in a free-to-play game is a problem .....
Furthermore ... I have absolutely NO PROBLEMS with developers asking for the money for the game .... I'll gladly pay for it (did ) but I have problem when they start limiting you with some ******** upgrade scheme just TO GET PAID ... *** I'd rather have a decent pay-to play system like in BF3 .. pay and PLAY ...

This way you end up paying WAY more than you normally would.... For the record ... how much was YLW??? ... C$3750 that is a lot of real money ... equivalent of players in BF3 having to pay $15 for a painted TANK....

Still, I love MW and I DID pay for it ... I have no problems with paying for something when it is not forced .... here you are forced to pay unless you are willing to pay for it ... or in the other case ... play for a very long time with things that are not interesting just to be able to continue your path with a weapon of choice ... It would be just like you unlock a SKS in BF3 and need to unlock 90% of other sniper rifles BEFORE you can get any upgrades for it ... AND giving you an option that you can unlock all you need with money!!! Fair??? Dont think so ....

The more I play the more I wish this game was PAY-TO PLAY ...

Well, I can sympathize there. I hate Free to Play systems personally and would have been happier if this was Pay to Play. But alas, most gaming isn't going that way. I'd rather have a F2P Mechwarrior online than no Mechwarrior at all.

I guess mostly you just have a problem with the fact that 1) you want to unlock the exp bonuses and 2) you don't want to play multiple variants. I would guess that you are only harping on 3) the elite bonuses because they are something you don't want to pay for that would make the thing you don't want to do, (2), go faster.

The most sane solution for this, as it was for me, is to get past the fact that I don't really want to run a Jenner K, but you know what? It's part of the game and I did actually have fun screwing around with loadouts that made me hate it less. This game does not have that much content. Try not to begrudge it the one carrot it provides for getting players off their "I only run mah gaussapult" rears and actually playing what content there is.

[Buckminster]

I hated the idea of having to unlock three chassis to get my mater and elite skills until I actually did it.

I'm running a founder's Cat, and just bought my K2 a week ago. I had no interest in a PPC cat, and didn't want to make a gausspult, but the K2 was the one chassis that was the most different from my C1.

And honestly, it's been a lot of fun. It takes a different set of skills to run right (PPC vs LRM, no JJ) and had forced me to better learn how to use my mech. If I could have sat in my C1 and leveled up, I never would have bothered with the K2.

[Rotaugen]

Taryys, on 20 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

1 hour and counting.
It is on the same time and day each week assuming everything goes as planned.

12:00 CST.

Isn't tonight the "take on the devs" night? They must feel fairly confident about this patch. What sort of weirdos use Central Time though?

[Taryys]

Hmm... I am not sure which weirdos..

Rotaugen, on 20 November 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

What sort of weirdos use Central Time though?

[indigo]

Hou, on 20 November 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Well, I can sympathize there. I hate Free to Play systems personally and would have been happier if this was Pay to Play. But alas, most gaming isn't going that way. I'd rather have a F2P Mechwarrior online than no Mechwarrior at all.

I guess mostly you just have a problem with the fact that 1) you want to unlock the exp bonuses and 2) you don't want to play multiple variants. I would guess that you are only harping on 3) the elite bonuses because they are something you don't want to pay for that would make the thing you don't want to do, (2), go faster.

The most sane solution for this, as it was for me, is to get past the fact that I don't really want to run a Jenner K, but you know what? It's part of the game and I did actually have fun screwing around with loadouts that made me hate it less. This game does not have that much content. Try not to begrudge it the one carrot it provides for getting players off their "I only run mah gaussapult" rears and actually playing what content there is.

You definitelly have a point! But I believe that in this game, thanks to balancing and good options, things as gaussapult would dissapear by nthemselves - even mighty gaussapult has veakneses and a good nr of them too hehe .... For me ... I am sorry that I have no choice ... out of principle I am not paying for this ... (if developers need money for developing they should make a button with donate ... id be first to make this my goal to donate once a month .. i LOVE MW and am forever thankful to devs for developing this).. and am affraid that by playing the mechs I dont particularly like the game would get boring to me and that I'd quit.... I guess I have to abandon upgrading YLW and focus on some nice chasis instead .. the ones that are worth playing (to me) ..

Edited by indigo, 20 November 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[DEHK]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

I am sorry ..., but don't get your point. Actually for people who have a life 26.8 hours of play is quite a lot ..

the point is that it's meant to take game time, that's intentional. The guy above with all those maxed out hunchbacks only playing 2-3 hours a night....

that mythical math hammer number of 26.8 hours is not meant to be taken all at once.

What angers me is that a lot of people seem to think they should have maxed out mechs after a day of playing and should not have to "grind" through those boring alternate chassis. "I like mechX because i can pwnzor in it and that should be the only mech i should ever have to play." That's not what the game is about.

[sirjackinthebox]

I can see the issue of being forced to buy a mech and an expensive one at that just to complete a skill tree this is wrong in my eye, but... complaining about having to pay for a "HeroMech" is just ********, "HeroMechs" are like the models you wouldnt get in a box set, thies are mech your would have to go to a store and BUY just have them on a tabeltop, if you had BOUGHT the classic battletech set for what $65-70 now days "which you are getting free from Parahna" and then being stuck with whats in this box set game after game... you are going to go out and BUY other items to expand on your gamming experience, I know i have spent $100's of dollars on books and map set just to have it all, and now i find myself spending even more to have the classic stuff no longer in print... So be glad this is all prety much being handed to you for a SMALL donation to the MWO cause...

[Gristle]

indigo, on 20 November 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

.... For me ... I am sorry that I have no choice ... out of principle I am not paying for this ... (if developers need money for developing they should make a button with donate ... id be first to make this my goal to donate once a month .. i LOVE MW and am forever thankful to devs for developing this)......... I guess I have to abandon upgrading YLW ...

Again...WHAT?

You DID pay real money for the YLW, but you won'y pay for more MC, but you would just donate money and get nothing in return? WHAT?

[Hou]

Gristle, on 20 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Again...WHAT?

You DID pay real money for the YLW, but you won'y pay for more MC, but you would just donate money and get nothing in return? WHAT?

Aliens.

[indigo]

Gristle, on 20 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Again...WHAT?

You DID pay real money for the YLW, but you won'y pay for more MC, but you would just donate money and get nothing in return? WHAT?

Yeah, yeah and yeah ... non of these things mentioned is forced ... yes I paid for YLW .. my choice, donating, also my choice .... Guess that upgrading one mech that one might have to unleash it's full potential .... no go ... why? Because I dont like to play the other options?? Oh well ..

[deputydog]

How about just support the game that is getting so much of your attention by dropping 50 bucks on it like you would for some crap grame that you play for 2 weeks? That is the whole point. Not how long it takes to grind and how many varients you have to pilot.
Its not charity warrior online. If you like the game, give some money, if you dont go play hawken.

[indigo]

deputydog, on 20 November 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

How about just support the game that is getting so much of your attention by dropping 50 bucks on it like you would for some crap grame that you play for 2 weeks? That is the whole point. Not how long it takes to grind and how many varients you have to pilot.
Its not charity warrior online. If you like the game, give some money, if you dont go play hawken.

already done that