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[The Silent Protagonist]

Gentlemen/gentleladies, I pose to you this question: What actually is wrong with pugging?
I almost exclusively do it (mainly because I am not a member of a clan/company/whatever we call them in this game) only playing premade with a few friends I managed to get to download it when I went full BT fanboy over Skype to them. They have fun when they play, but don't play anywhere near as much as I do - so I PuG. Also, I fail to see the logistics of teamspeak servers for matches - could someone explain it to me? Is the idea to form premades with people you don't know (I have no problem with that, by the way)?

As I browse these forums, I see many who play only in premades (nothing wrong with that) whining about how they don't want to drop with PuGs (that's where I have an issue) now that you can only form single lances, and not full 8 man teams. (Don'ttouchmefilthycasual.jpg)

I find it a pleasant surprise when I come across a team that works together even though we are all pugging. All it takes is a little communication, even if it's typing to one another! And when everyone goes and runs into the open, clearly brain damaged, leaving you the sole survivor, I do not mind because I play this game to stomp about in a big articulated robot that defies physics (Skyrim horsing up them hills!) and to shoot bug guns, whilst doing as much winning as possible. I play for that moment when I cored that jenner who was moving parallel to me with my hunchie's AC/20 (suck on that, netcode issues!). I play for that moment when I stand valiantly, outnumbered, the last man standing, legged and missing an arm but fighting on nonetheless (Quoting MW4: "I'll delay them here as long as I can!"). I play for that one second moment when my commando rounds a corner, faced with an Atlas, then laugh as I get my cockpit blown open in one shot and my 'mech does 3 backflips.

Please, tell me why pugging is so vilified! And fellow puggers, aid me in defending our right to drop without prejudice!

[Secundus]

People want to win, and joining a team makes winning easier the way the matchmaker currently works. The game for them is only fun if they're winning, which says a lot about them. When 8 v 8 is implemented and the easy wins are gone for most people, I have no doubt many folks that form teams with strangers on Team Speak will return to pugging so they're not matched up against well coordinated and equipped clans and can enjoy a level of personal glory on the battlefield fighting with and against random individuals.

Edited by Secundus, 20 November 2012 - 07:21 PM.

[Operant]

Nothing is wrong with it. We just don't want to be forced to play with you.

[Budor]

Secundus, on 20 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

People want to win, and joining a team makes winning easier the way the matchmaker currently works. The game for them is only fun if they're winning, which says a lot about them. When 8 v 8 is implemented and the easy wins are gone for most people, I have no doubt many folks that form teams with strangers on Team Speak will return to pugging so they're not matched up against well coordinated and equipped clans and can enjoy a level of personal glory on the battlefield fighting with and against random individuals.

Well said.

[The Cheese]

Nothing is wrong with pugging. The issue is that pug games usually rate somewhere between disorganised and chaotic.

That's not the kind of game the premade players want to be a part of.

[Team Leader]

I don't have anything against pugs, I just dislike that I cant have a full team and play against other full teams with it. In a team based game, team tactics should be promoted, not pushed to the side as being "OMG op PREMADE!". That's kinda the point of the game and some Puggers want to take that away form the devoted playerbase. Nothing against pugs in general, but its whiny pugs who refuse to respect how others want to play, or are mad that they are better at it than them, that tick me off. Its individuals who try and speak for a crowd that make puggers look whiny and dumb. If a pugger is willing to listen, communicate, and is a competent player who doesn't DC in their trial mech straight off, then they're good with me.

Edited by Team Leader, 20 November 2012 - 07:28 PM.

[Fugu]

It's just a pain to not be able with all the people that are actually avaible and have to split up in tiny little teams. Random people are just not reliable.
I was hoping to play in proper teams again and finally be able to tell if our tactical ideas actually work. You can't verify any tactics if half of your team is unorganized and half or the entire enemy team is also unorganized.

Now it's not "Finally we'll see if we're actually any good." but "Oh, another week of this tripe.".

[Taizan]

1) There is no communication because its 7 strangers and you.
2) The 4 guys in the premade don't care about the 4 other strangers on their team
3) New players have no idea what they are doing, thus weakening the team
4) AFK / self-implode / botting / 4FPS etc.
5) Every now and then encounter of "holier-than-thou" attitude from founders vs. freeplayers / trial mechs players

Edited by Taizan, 20 November 2012 - 08:02 PM.

[SgtMaster]

Well, i believe in freedom of choice.

the fact that some disconnect does not bother me, i have the black-screen bug one in 10 games, i used to disconnect also...


It is nothing personal, but ;

• 2/3 drops, a new player wants to test his weapons on me at the beginning of the match, often legging me...
  
• 1/3 drops, i have a teamkiller on my team, so when we defend ourselves we get a teamkill penalty...
  
• 1/3 drops, when using chat to relay information, there is always this one guy giving out our location and plan over "all" chat...

I do have over 20 friends playing this game a couple of hours a day;

• Unlike previous MechWarrior titles, we cannot play together nor play half vs half
  
• Unfortunately, i tried getting another 20 friends to try this out, My timing wasn't all that good, the day they downloaded the game was the day of the Nov6th patch, when they saw we could not play together, they just quit and uninstalled...

Edited by SgtMaster, 20 November 2012 - 07:37 PM.

[Streeter]

Secundus, on 20 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

People want to win, and joining a team makes winning easier the way the matchmaker currently works. The game for them is only fun if they're winning, which says a lot about them. When 8 v 8 is implemented and the easy wins are gone for most people, I have no doubt many folks that form teams with strangers on Team Speak will return to pugging so they're not matched up against well coordinated and equipped clans and can enjoy a level of personal glory on the battlefield fighting with and against random individuals.

that sounds like your typical pug that has been stomped by a premade (or imaginary premade)

its not about winning, I would prefer to roll end to end losses against other 8 mans than watch Leeroy Jenkins take off in the distance to take on the whole enemy team by himself while his buddies AFK guy and Farmer sit on the base not moving. I find that infinitely more frustrating.

Im sorry you dont understand that and think the premades are only about Pug stomping.

[Fugu]

Taizan, on 20 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

5) Frequent encounter of "holier-than-thou" attitude from founders vs. freeplayers / trial mechs players

That I have never seen. The only time we killed Trialmechs with extreme pejudice was when LRMs were really strong and everybody and their mother played that Awesome with 2xLRM15. They hurt badly but went down rather fast.
Now, the ussual guys are prime target: Gausscat, Streakcats and Atlas.

[CocoaJin]

Operant, on 20 November 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Nothing is wrong with it. We just don't want to be forced to play with you.

As if we are insisting

Niether side has a choice at this time, so why have contempt for the noobs? Why not make the best of it and be a positive force in the situtation instead of eroding your own player base? Or are you so short sighted and obsessed with self-gratification that you cant see the folly of your contemptious behavior against your own fledgling playing community.

Good luck with your beloved MWO when you cant field more than a couple of thousand players at a time because new-comers keep getting ran off by self serving PMs griefing noobs, instead of being community builders.

Brilliant!

[Poptimus Rhyme Wallace]

Pesronally I dont like pugs beacuse they often ( keyword is OFTEN ) provide little to no challenge for team of veterans, who lets face it are in premades more often than not, its no fun having easy wins, I'd rather loose a match by a few mechs than win a match by stomping Pugs.

When i do pug, I'm slightly annoyed by the often ( see previous segment... ) lack of teamwork.

Thats my gripe with Pugs nothing else...

[Shiney]

There is 'nothing' wrong with it, I do it from time to time, I just don't want to choose if I play with pugs or not

[Weeble]

Streeter- you sound very reasonable and I agree with the your point about the frustrations of pugging. However, this is mis-guided:

Streeter, on 20 November 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Im sorry you dont understand that and think the premades are only about Pug stomping.

There have been far too many comments on these forums about the joys of pug stomping and "pug farming" for Cbills and XP. That might not be how you feel but it seems to pretty common.

[Soy]

Secundus, on 20 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

People want to win, and joining a team makes winning easier the way the matchmaker currently works. The game for them is only fun if they're winning, which says a lot about them. When 8 v 8 is implemented and the easy wins are gone for most people, I have no doubt many folks that form teams with strangers on Team Speak will return to pugging so they're not matched up against well coordinated and equipped clans and can enjoy a level of personal glory on the battlefield fighting with and against random individuals.

It has always been this way, of course.

Premades > pugmades > pugs.

[Javin]

I would like the maps to also randomize or give the ability to pick drop size. different drop size maps 4-16 players would let premades have more fun in large groups. I would also like a PUG only drop zone so pre mades could play vs premades. Those that pug could play against themselves.

[197mmCannon]

Streeter, on 20 November 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

that sounds like your typical pug that has been stomped by a premade (or imaginary premade)

its not about winning, I would prefer to roll end to end losses against other 8 mans than watch Leeroy Jenkins take off in the distance to take on the whole enemy team by himself while his buddies AFK guy and Farmer sit on the base not moving. I find that infinitely more frustrating.

Im sorry you dont understand that and think the premades are only about Pug stomping.

most of them are. I don't think he said all of them are.

And even if he wasn't clear I think it would be fairly obvious what he was inferring.

[Streeter]

Weeble, on 20 November 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Streeter- you sound very reasonable and I agree with the your point about the frustrations of pugging. However, this is mis-guided:



There have been far too many comments on these forums about the joys of pug stomping and "pug farming" for Cbills and XP. That might not be how you feel but it seems to pretty common.

regardless of how any one feels about pug stomping, phase 2 will be 8man Vs 8man only so its not going to happen again anyway.

[Secundus]

Streeter, on 20 November 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

that sounds like your typical pug that has been stomped by a premade (or imaginary premade)

its not about winning, I would prefer to roll end to end losses against other 8 mans than watch Leeroy Jenkins take off in the distance to take on the whole enemy team by himself while his buddies AFK guy and Farmer sit on the base not moving. I find that infinitely more frustrating.

Im sorry you dont understand that and think the premades are only about Pug stomping.

What's frustrating about that situation for you? Is it that there's no chance to win or that you're not socializing with your clan mates?