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[Alexa Steel]

Bryan Kerensky, on 22 November 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

I have seen people do that, which is why I made the effort to warn people in my Merc Crop not to do stupid things like that. Obviously there is animosity between premades and PUGs, understandably, but this should not result in name calling.

This is not an accurate representation of a premade, I can assure you. It happens however, every community has it's bad apples.

My appoligies if that was the precieved core of my statement. I do know alot of decent "premade" folks aswell as many decent "PUGs". So yeah its the bad apples that, as allways, spoil the bunch.

Its not hard to be "polite" or "respectful", but it seems that it is a dying art on the internet, or society for that matter.

[Terror Teddy]

Bryan Kerensky, on 22 November 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Obviously there is animosity between premades and PUGs, understandably,

And here I have to disagree - it is NOT understandable.

Yes, it is a team based game, but so is a LOT of other games and I have never seen such pathetic wordplay from BOTH sides in regards to either elitism or what constitutes the "right" way of playing.

This game is no more advanced than any other 'capture' scenario or team based 'shooter' - yes, shooter, a slower, more simulated but still in the end you have team A shoot at team B.

Both sides extreme attitudes are shameful, immature and simply hurts the community as a whole and blaming the other 'side' is just throwing rocks in a glass house.

[Dwigo]

Memory, on 22 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Reading a lot of the posts here helps me to understand mostly why pugs are so incredibly stupid and worthless on a team. What pugs really need is a free-for-all mode because they are completely unsuited for team play. They only care about themselves and their meaningless stats and their personal bank account. Yea **** that guy for wanting to make some more cbills from a cap an help everybody else make more cbills as well. You act like 7.5k is a tiny amount, but multiply it by 8. That's quite a bit of cash, but of course you don't give a damn because it all doesn't go into your wallet.

I'll finish this rant with a story. Yesterday we had some douchebag trying to kill the last enemy while my team was capping out. We repeatedly told him to stop and he refused. I gave the command and my entire team opened fire on his stupid ***. Tk'd him before he could finish off the enemy. We got our cap, and that's not the only time I've given that order.

I recommend that everybody who encounters this issue do the same thing. If your team is capping and some dumb son of a ***** refuses to cease fire, TK him.

So you get the TK penalty instead of the cap bonus? Yeah, that really makes sense if you are sooo concerned about the extra xp and cbills.

[Lorcan Lladd]

Memory, on 22 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Reading a lot of the posts here helps me to understand mostly why pugs are so incredibly stupid and worthless on a team. What pugs really need is a free-for-all mode because they are completely unsuited for team play. They only care about themselves and their meaningless stats and their personal bank account.

Very mature.

Memory, on 22 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Yea **** that guy for wanting to make some more cbills from a cap an help everybody else make more cbills as well. You act like 7.5k is a tiny amount, but multiply it by 8. That's quite a bit of cash, but of course you don't give a damn because it all doesn't go into your wallet.

Salvage bonuses are also shared by the whole team, and they might reach values over 60k C-bills on a particularly good match.
I guess you've never had any.

Memory, on 22 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I'll finish this rant with a story. Yesterday we had some douchebag trying to kill the last enemy while my team was capping out. We repeatedly told him to stop and he refused. I gave the command and my entire team opened fire on his stupid ***. Tk'd him before he could finish off the enemy. We got our cap, and that's not the only time I've given that order.

I recommend that everybody who encounters this issue do the same thing. If your team is capping and some dumb son of a ***** refuses to cease fire, TK him.

Whom even needs name or shame threads when people are more than capable of shaming themselves with this kind of posts...

[Leetskeet]

Capping is like 5k man..

Just leg the AFK. That's basically a fresh mech to salvage.

[Rocdollar]

Mercules, on 21 November 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

I think they understand your request, but I believe they are not desiring to acquiesce to it. In fact some may have killed him BECAUSE you asked them not to out of spite.

This. It's frustrating when people on one hand complain about no teamwork then on the other get all bent out of shape when someone has the initiative and balls to actually take command and give an order to their (PUG) team.

[Valaska]

SkyCake, on 21 November 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

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"dont kill the afk'er, lets cap and get more money!!!!!"

how hard is it to understand that??

i made 5 out of the 7 kills and these monkeys kill the afk'er after i repeatedly asked them not to.

grrrrrrrr

Also if you do enough damage and kill multiple people you can out XP/Money the capture... Selfish yeah, but hey it is what it is.

[nitra]

The divide between pugs and premades has been created by the previous threads on the closed beta forums regarding pug vs premade.

it really boils down to the premades not wanting pugs to exist in the first place as they are constantly harping on the get on team speak, some get so agitated that a pug will not even bother with team speak.. they relegate them as uncoperative idiots who cant even figure out a voip client yet along how to properly pilot a mech .

thus the rise of the elitism ( i personally consider some premades more akin to gangs but thats another topic for another time)

Getting to my point though, teamspeak c3 or voip is not even needed as demonstrated in one match i played yesterday .

The premade droped and immediately announced they were a premade . and they had a plan . it was to take d4 sounds good so the match starts .

3 mechs started down the g line almost oppsite of d4 directions less than a minute it was realized that these players were obsivously going right no matter what .

so what did the premade do ?

a:) screw those pug scum bastitches and let them suffer their fate ?

b:) yell and scream at the pugs to get to d4?

c:) scrap their well founded plan and stick together ?



Answer .. C.

Thats right the basic principal of the whole game won out over any kind of agenda or prejudices

the whole team sticking together brought a unified firing line to the enemy, which turned into a nasty urban skirmish of streak cats,lrms, dakka dakka, and lights fleeting in and out of buildings. resulting in a awesome game of strategy, tactics, and skill.
and it was made awesome in the end, because we won. Some how a commando managed to survive the prolonged bombardment and cap the base while the remaining forces, what lil was left. played cat in mouse in the wreckage of the aftermath.

While sticking together may not always be a recipe for success it sure does beat splitting the team into two disjointed groups.
and if we all would practice this . our games would be a lot better in the end.

Edited by nitra, 22 November 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[Bryan Kerensky]

Terror Teddy, on 22 November 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

And here I have to disagree - it is NOT understandable.

Yes, it is a team based game, but so is a LOT of other games and I have never seen such pathetic wordplay from BOTH sides in regards to either elitism or what constitutes the "right" way of playing.

This game is no more advanced than any other 'capture' scenario or team based 'shooter' - yes, shooter, a slower, more simulated but still in the end you have team A shoot at team B.

Both sides extreme attitudes are shameful, immature and simply hurts the community as a whole and blaming the other 'side' is just throwing rocks in a glass house.

Hmmmm, you misunderstand. It probably is my fault for not making it clear. The animosity I refer to is the fact that both sides would rather stay clear of one another. This was made apparent during the days of the full 8 mans that were abound during the closed beta days. The majority of premade players don't want to play with PUGs, some don't even want to play against them. Some PUGs as well would rather play in and against an all PUG team as opposed to having a premade drop with or against them.

The wordplay you mention is to be expected. Putting two camps, that often look at each other in disgust,together is not something that bodes well for the 'warm feeling' that comes in terms of community.

Immature is right, but in the heat of the moment even the best of us can succumb, so I say it is understandable as in I understand why people would be angry at each other. It's not just the premades that are angry, PUGs are angry too. So you are correct about it being both sides.

However, understand that the majority of these camps do not want anything to do with each other. Tempers will flare especially with the other issues that are currently in game.

Your message is close to the one I sent my team mates. So I agree with you partially.

[iminbagdad]

I'll pile on my .02

I hate capping. Period, think its lame. I would rather kill a disco or AFK then to cap. So, not stupid, just ignoring you.

[Terror Teddy]

iminbagdad, on 22 November 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

I'll pile on my .02

I hate capping. Period, think its lame. I would rather kill a disco or AFK then to cap. So, not stupid, just ignoring you.

I have no problem with it.

The problem I see is that there is:

- Only 1 capping point [I would like to see 3 like in BF3 but with so few players per team it would be stupid]
- Give each side DIFFERENT objectives [Having both sides beeline to the enemy cap looks utterly ludicrous]

Yes, the capping mechanic is most likely a placeholder for something better but I feel it would have been better to just have team deathmatch for the beta.

[Minos Murdoc]

Its not just the money its exp (mech and GXP) as well. as to people saying you get more for salvage, ok thay might be try if you take out the head or legs. but 95% of the people i see doing it (and its normally only 1 or 2 players) while rest are in the base capping aren't going for the clean kill their hitting every part on the mech they can