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[hashinshin]

EVERYONE smart strips their AC/10 or AC/20 out and puts in a Gauss. Everyone. Even after the proposed guass changes they will still strip their ACs and put in Gauss.

It simply comes down to a matter of better. The Gauss takes no heat (1 heat, wahoo) so effectively it adds 15 free damage to your rotation. That's a LOT of free damage. It has an extremely fast moving projectile so it will be far easier to hit with than the AC10 and especially the AC20. It has MASSIVE range allowing you to assist at long ranges or snipe people using lower ranged weapons.

The UAC/5 nerf isn't going to make people suddenly start using the AC10 and AC20. They're just going to use a Gauss backed by medium lasers and/or streaks again.

Give me one reason to use ACs instead of Gauss PGI, just one. But you can't, cause your balance team is quite insanely bad. Machine guns still suck, flamers suck, PPCs suck, ACs suck, LBX sucks, SRMs are tolerable, large lasers are tolerable, pulse sucks (you made it suck mind you.) And yet Streak/mediums/gauss have been the main weapons for like 4 months now, with only brief and short spans where other weapons could be on par with them.

End result is this: PGI your balance really sucks and if you don't stop and actually do a comprehensive review and stop this madness where streak/gauss/mediums are on every freaking mech this game is going to get very boring very quickly. You've had four MONTHS to clear up this crap and make other weapons useful.

Do you hear that sound? It's another streakcat jump jetting in the air above me.

[Murfph]

hashinshin, on 22 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Do you hear that sound? It's another streakcat jump jetting in the air above me.

yes, yes it is..

[TRIUMPH]

Fix critical issues. Make weapons FEEL good. Then truely start to balance a meta game for everyone.

[Mavairo]

I have reasons to run 2 AC5s instead of a Gauss.

Massive whupass in a can.

[Khobai]

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I have reasons to run 2 AC5s instead of a Gauss.

Massive whupass in a can.

Gauss+AC2 is better though

[Corbon Zackery]

To be honest everytime I put a AC on my mech a light comes a long and hits me for a crit that knocks it out so I running around the battle with tons of ammo and no gun.

I also dont like that a 30mm AC 2 shakes my screen and has a huge blast its a 30mm cannon not a 150mm tank gun

It should work like a MG only slower rate of fire.

Thanks

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 22 November 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Scratx]

I recall seeing a dual uac5 and dual ac5 cataphract removing my catapult's full frontal armor in like 3 seconds. I beg to differ.

[Corvus Antaka]

want some whine with that qq?

[Vagabond Nomad]

hashinshin, on 22 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

EVERYONE smart strips their AC/10 or AC/20 out and puts in a Gauss. Everyone. Even after the proposed guass changes they will still strip their ACs and put in Gauss.

It simply comes down to a matter of better. The Gauss takes no heat (1 heat, wahoo) so effectively it adds 15 free damage to your rotation. That's a LOT of free damage. It has an extremely fast moving projectile so it will be far easier to hit with than the AC10 and especially the AC20. It has MASSIVE range allowing you to assist at long ranges or snipe people using lower ranged weapons.

The UAC/5 nerf isn't going to make people suddenly start using the AC10 and AC20. They're just going to use a Gauss backed by medium lasers and/or streaks again.

Give me one reason to use ACs instead of Gauss PGI, just one. But you can't, cause your balance team is quite insanely bad. Machine guns still suck, flamers suck, PPCs suck, ACs suck, LBX sucks, SRMs are tolerable, large lasers are tolerable, pulse sucks (you made it suck mind you.) And yet Streak/mediums/gauss have been the main weapons for like 4 months now, with only brief and short spans where other weapons could be on par with them.

End result is this: PGI your balance really sucks and if you don't stop and actually do a comprehensive review and stop this madness where streak/gauss/mediums are on every freaking mech this game is going to get very boring very quickly. You've had four MONTHS to clear up this crap and make other weapons useful.

Do you hear that sound? It's another streakcat jump jetting in the air above me.

Completely agree. PGI needs to get table top purists out of their balancing team, and get people in there that are less interested in implementing purified canon, and more interested in making a "believable" weapons that have a practical purpose. Having a weapon that jams this frequently, in this high-tech universe is beyond re-tarded.

[Mavairo]

Khobai, on 22 November 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Gauss+AC2 is better though

IF you can spare the tonnage, and If you're a hell of a Crack Shot with the shambolic ballistics this game has. Sure.
Myself, I'm a pretty decent shot on the run kind of guy. I also don't roll a mech that will give me enough tonnage to spare, and still have a big right hand to slap someone to the floor with afterwards. Especially after that bullet hose known as the AC2 is fed, -and- keep a big engine on the mech with.

I'd rather have a LL and ML in my right arm, and have 2 AC5s on the other arm.

Edited by Mavairo, 22 November 2012 - 04:12 PM.

[SkyCake]

until ACs are viable, this game will suck as a whole... yesterday for the first time we had a viable AC, today, through a vicious and cowardly hotfix, we have been set back months of development...

[Cataphract]

I'd run dual UAC over Gauss any day. Sustained DPS is far more useful to me at the ranges this game is played at the moment. Your weapon choice is soley personal preference and nothing else. Ive made use of every AC and had success. Hell my favorite Cataphract setup (Sure laugh all you want lol) is a 3D jump jetting around with an AC20. That 5 extra damage trounces a gauss at close range any day. UAC5 since the auto unjam is now a beast. Just because a Gauss does 15 damage for 1 heat does not make it better. Any attempt at claiming its end all be all because of that is just preference and opinion. Only those that can't or don't like to manage heat always go gauss without even so much as trying out an auto cannon.

[Tacophagist]

I'm sure there are a few dual AC20 K2's that would love to have a word with your face.

[hashinshin]

Cataphract, on 22 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

I'd run dual UAC over Gauss any day. Sustained DPS is far more useful to me at the ranges this game is played at the moment. Your weapon choice is soley personal preference and nothing else. Ive made use of every AC and had success. Hell my favorite Cataphract setup (Sure laugh all you want lol) is a 3D jump jetting around with an AC20. That 5 extra damage trounces a gauss at close range any day. UAC5 since the auto unjam is now a beast. Just because a Gauss does 15 damage for 1 heat does not make it better. Any attempt at claiming its end all be all because of that is just preference and opinion. Only those that can't or don't like to manage heat always go gauss without even so much as trying out an auto cannon.

your elaborate fantasy falls sort of actual fiction. A gauss + medium will generate 4 heat, compared to the 6 from an AC20. They will do the same damage, just with 2 extra heat to spare. Gauss is also easier to hit, and longer range, and has more purposes than simply damage dealer.

Yeah, the AC20 gets one extra ton for an extra heat sink but it won't make up for the: 5 heat difference, greater difficulty in hitting due to shorter projectile, and complete lack of range.

The fantasy that ACs are good stops when you actually stop and look at the game practically. A gauss + mediums will out damage an AC20 + mediums. And a Gauss + nothing will out damage an AC20 + nothing when you're at 500 range out.

Edited by hashinshin, 22 November 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[Neovalen]

hashinshin, on 22 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

EVERYONE smart strips their AC/10 or AC/20 out and puts in a Gauss. Everyone. Even after the proposed guass changes they will still strip their ACs and put in Gauss.

I disagree, I still love the AC/20 to death. Especially once they fragilize the Gauss/make them explode/min range them then AC/20 will once again reign supreme. LBX10 is also quite effective, especially in a pair. Can you say crits?

All weapons have their place. Some of them as are of yet icomplete (MGs, Flamers, PPCs....) but I actually find the balance quite good right now. LRMs are still a little on the weak side even with artemis, they are still not to be feared at all.

Edited by Neovalen, 22 November 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

ACs are not nearly as bad as some people think they are. The AC10 is a solid weapon with great range and good damage. I use the AC10 all the time on several different builds. The AC20 is also a great weapon, my only problem with it is that I can't mount it in my arm and I don;t like the YLW. But that is a balance factor that I have to live with. Gauss is also an excellent weapon, but it's effectiveness does not diminish the other ACs.

[hashinshin]

Tickdoff Tank, on 22 November 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

ACs are not nearly as bad as some people think they are. The AC10 is a solid weapon with great range and good damage. I use the AC10 all the time on several different builds. The AC20 is also a great weapon, my only problem with it is that I can't mount it in my arm and I don;t like the YLW. But that is a balance factor that I have to live with. Gauss is also an excellent weapon, but it's effectiveness does not diminish the other ACs.

yes, yes it does diminish the ACs actually. It's in direct competition with the ACs for who gets picked and the gauss always wins. That's actually the entire problem.

[aspect]

hashinshin, on 22 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Machine guns still suck, flamers suck, PPCs suck, ACs suck, LBX sucks, SRMs are tolerable, large lasers are tolerable, pulse sucks (you made it suck mind you.)

You're kinda a "glass half empty" type of guy I take it...

[Green Mamba]

Obviously the Solution is for everyone to Start using GAUSS and STREAKs exclusively.People will gravitate towards whatever will give them the Biggest advantage.Its Human Nature..Yes The game will become even more boring and people will lose intrest,move on and sadly the game will slowly die.

[hashinshin]

aspect, on 22 November 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

You're kinda a "glass half empty" type of guy I take it...

it's not glass half empty, it's just looking at things competitively. If they are worse than the best and yet directly compete against the best then they suck. The LRMs might be subpar but because there's no LRM replacement they don't suck. The ACs are subpar AND have a replacement, so they suck.