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[FEK315]

Now to you who constantly complain,
1) The game in is BETA.

2) You invested your money, but by publicly complaining you are chasing away future paying players and throwing your money away.

3) Visitors to the website see people complaining and say " Why would this Sally pay money to play a game they don't like? " then its your reputation you need to worry about.

4) Without paying players MWO has no incoming capital to complete the project, production slows down because there's no money to pay devs and then eventually the game dies. so stop chasing future mech pilots away or you'll never get your investment in a cool game back.
5) While paying for the game entitles you to an opinion Voice your opinions and concerns through email, PLEASE!

6) When I start to play you had better not complain publicly and destroy my investment of $150s in this game.
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I just wanted to let you, DEVs at MWO, you guys are rocken!!!

I know with all the mud that people have been slinging in the last couple weeks it must be hard to feel like you are doing a good job but I want to let you know that most of the complaints are people who don't know how to complement you on how awesome this project is.

I know what the world is like with out a proper mecha game. I have suffered 11 years, through the likes of ACV, Chromehounds, AC4A, FrontMission, AC4... I even played Ace Combat and pretended I was in a Raven. Of all these "completed", "tested" and "finished" games not one has matched the levels of awesomeness you have all achieve with a Dev team 1/ 15th the size, even at this beta state of MWO.

If the impatient short sidedness of this community gets you down please don't let it shut down the project and know that there is a big part of this community that is patent and can see you are all working hard at making this game the best MW in the series.

Edited by FEK315, 24 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[Axeman1]

How much did they pay you again?

How old are you, again?

Edited by Axeman1, 24 November 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[Lin Shai]

So ... when you go see a movie at the theater and it's horrible, do you then tell your friends and other people how awesome it is?

Or do you warn them not to waste their money on a terrible movie?

Personally? I do the latter.

[Vulix]

PGI is not doing a very good job. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

A lot of us have supported PGI, and continue to support them by posting problems and bugs we find in the game so that PGI can fix them. That's the support they need right now.

We don't need to be cuddly or emotionally-protective over PGI. These people have been paid and should do the job they said they would do. The community of players provides guidance and direction in terms of what needs fixing.

[Galland]

Yeah, but in this situation, it's analogous to paying to watch an early screening of the movie where not all the post production is complete, some scenes are just storyboard placeholders, and the special effects not totally polished. Then complaining that the movie sucks because of the parts that aren't finished.

[Vulix]

Galland, on 24 November 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Yeah, but in this situation, it's analogous to paying to watch an early screening of the movie where not all the post production is complete, some scenes are just storyboard placeholders, and the special effects not totally polished. Then complaining that the movie sucks because of the parts that aren't finished.

True, but, the movie is almost the same as it was during closed beta 4 months ago. New textures, some mechs, and a map have been added, but the core gameplay is the same broken thing as it was months ago. What worries me is PGI has only worked on low-hanging fruit items the past months, but anything hard to fix that NEEDS to be fixed has been untouched. Take netcode and mech knockdowns for example

[FEK315]

Lin Shai, on 24 November 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

So ... when you go see a movie at the theater and it's horrible, do you then tell your friends and other people how awesome it is?

Or do you warn them not to waste their money on a terrible movie?

Personally? I do the latter.

Nice try, a movies don't go to theater as BETA. The internet is not the Theater.
When you buy a ticket to a movie your contract is an agreement that what you are purchasing is a public viewing of a final product.

Don't miss my point, if you are investing in this game you have a right to voice an opinion but doing it publicly is terrible for your own personal investment. It chases away any money that will keep this game going.
Can you not see that?

[Vulix]

FEK315, on 24 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Nice try, a movies don't go to theater as BETA. The internet is not the Theater.
When you buy a ticket to a movie your contract is an agreement that what you are purchasing is a public viewing of a final product.

Don't miss my point, if you are investing in this game you have a right to voice an opinion but doing it publicly is terrible for your own personal investment. It chases away any money that will keep this game going.
Can you not see that?

Apparently they made millions off of the founder's program. They have had the money to fix this game for a while, yet it still is broken. I don't think more money is going to solve PGI's problems

[FEK315]

Vulix, on 24 November 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

PGI is not doing a very good job. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

A lot of us have supported PGI, and continue to support them by posting problems and bugs we find in the game so that PGI can fix them. That's the support they need right now.

We don't need to be cuddly or emotionally-protective over PGI. These people have been paid and should do the job they said they would do. The community of players provides guidance and direction in terms of what needs fixing.

did you miss the part about EMAIL or do I need to make it 24 type again?

Vulix, on 24 November 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Apparently they made millions off of the founder's program. They have had the money to fix this game for a while, yet it still is broken. I don't think more money is going to solve PGI's problems

Once again... PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT!

Edited by FEK315, 24 November 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Vulix]

FEK315, on 24 November 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

did you miss the part about EMAIL or do I need to make it 24 type again?

They used to have a support ticket system, and then they removed it. I have e-mailed them bugs before, such as being able to easily make yourself accidentally stuck in River City, and they never reply. So, now I post on the forums.

Also, you don't need to type in all caps or large font sizes to get your point across. I understand what you are saying, and I'm telling you it has not worked. You aren't the first person to have thought of e-mailing them bug reports.

[Patrick Wolf]

FEK315, on 24 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Nice try, a movies don't go to theater as BETA. The internet is not the Theater.
When you buy a ticket to a movie your contract is an agreement that what you are purchasing is a public viewing of a final product.

Don't miss my point, if you are investing in this game you have a right to voice an opinion but doing it publicly is terrible for your own personal investment. It chases away any money that will keep this game going.
Can you not see that?

I know what you are trying to get across, while I partially understand it, there is also the many issues that drive new players away.

If we do not voice our concerns to PGI then things would probably never get fixed, (needless to say even when we do voice our concerns things dont get fixed either but w/e). New players get driven away by the game more than the forum base, I have seen it happen so many times with my friends, i get them all hyped for the game, they try it out a few times in trial mechs, and they tell me the game is utter **** and never come back.

The real issue here is not so much the forum base being whiny and insulting as you are implying, but the fact that the game has literally no polish, and is broken in so many ways. THAT is what drives new players away, the thought of having to grind for hours and hours to play even a bloody commando which get easily one shotted by bigger mechs. Why would they not go play LoL where they can have a good champion after 2-4 games?

[D R E A D N A U G H T]

I'm sorry. My last nerve is freyed in this game and I'm generally a very patient person. I'm not throwing another cent at this game until:

A.) Game breaking bugs are fixed.
B.) Weapons get balanced.
C.) Matchmaking gets fixed.
D.) Proper counters are put in place for LRM boats and streak boats.

As the game stands right now light mechs are having their way with whatever and whoever. Knockdowns were taken out so lighter mechs run into anything with impunity. As an Atlas pilot I feel as though my 100ton mech is nothing more than a paper weight.

Matchmaking is laughable, and netcode is garbage at the moment. Pay more money? No thanks. I've gotten a few of my friends interested but now I almost regret doing so.

Just my 2 cents.


And the maps.....c'mon. I have built maps in unreal editor for funs sake and built some decent stuff. This is laughable.....4 maps? Half of the time I end up playing caustic valley, which is a terrible map. It's a standoff map with extra heat and one giant volcano / crater. I'm so sick of seeing it, I want to gouge my eyeballs out everytime it comes up in circulation.

Having to pay cbills to swap out "upgrades" is also terrible. Why not have a preview system to see what changes are feasible before having to commit to a purchase? I don't want to download and install more software from a 3rd party to do that.

If I were to buy a new car from the factory, I would be presented options on how that car is configured before I buy it.

Edited by Dread Naught, 24 November 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[FEK315]

Dread Naught, on 24 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

I'm sorry. My last nerve is freyed in this game and I'm generally a very patient person. I'm not throwing another cent at this game until:

A.) Game breaking bugs are fixed.
B.) Weapons get balanced.
C.) Matchmaking gets fixed.
D.) Proper counters are put in place for LRM boats and streak boats.

As the game stands right now light mechs are having their way with whatever and whoever. Knockdowns were taken out so lighter mechs run into anything with impunity. As an Atlas pilot I feel as though my 100ton mech is nothing more than a paper weight.

Matchmaking is laughable, and netcode is garbage at the moment. Pay more money? No thanks. I've gotten a few of my friends interested but now I almost regret doing so.

Just my 2 cents.

Then I guess you just threw your money way before you even got to enjoy playing the finalized game which has not shipped yet.



What I am saying is be mind full of who is reading this. Give a little respect to who is building the game by not publicly flogging them.
Word your concerns with possible fixes, offer suggestions of factual examples.
Set a positive, constructive, factual post, because future players will see that this community is a mature group of pilots and will be more willing to pay money to keep the game alive because the community is fun, cool and helpful.

This isn't about hurt feelings this is about future capital, a great game and a return on your investment. Its just common sense.

WHY DON'T FORD INVESTORS BASH THEIR CARS ON THEIR COMMERCIALS? Because they would never convince people that their cars are worth buying. That's what investors meeting are about and why they are behind closed doors.

it sounds like a few of you are doing it the right way, you know I am not talking to you.

[General Anxiety]

I love the mechwarrior franchise. I enjoy this game. I probably would have taken a hiatus from playing without a group of people I play with on ventrillo.

I would love to suggest this to my friends and people I know at work that enjoy computer games. I don't feel like I can yet with the current level of development. When the game gets to that level I will be one of it's biggest pushers. I'll just hang on and hope until they fix the bugs and add more content.

I do wish the tone of people's complaints was less doom gloom and the end of the world however. The game is decent, but it has the potential to be amazing.

[Vanguard319]

Personally, I think PGI has been doing a good job. It's one thing to give constructive criticism, it's another to post mindless QQ threads where you rage like an entitled brat because things aren't going your way. I don't blame the devs for not checking the forums more frequently, since 90% of the threads consist of self-centered whining by the OP.

The game IS in BETA! It is not a completed product. You can try to counter this argument all you want, but the fact will not change that you are playing an unfinished product, with glitches, quirks, and bugs, which are to be expected in an unfinished product. Obviously, those of you complaining and raging did not read the NDA, or the EULA.. Sry if you can't flaunt the size of your E-peen to no one who cares, if you truly hate this game that much, then quit, you will do more to contribute to this game's development than ******** to the devs about your perceived entitlements.

[Vanguard319]

Samantha, on 24 November 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

A big thankyou to JUN WATARASE who made this legendary meme summing up the diehard luvvos and lemmings!

Well, someone obviously missed my point, and while the above illustration made me chuckle, I don't see how it applies. Every time I log into the forums, I see some new thread where the poster is complaining about some feature or mech config that they don't like, and instead of offering constructive criticism, like in the above illustration, they **** and moan, and offer nothing useful that the devs can work with, other than the demand of "NERF IT NOW!!!", ergo my observation that 90% of the complaints on this forum are garbage holds water.

As for the accusation that I'm some kind of white knight, guess again. There are things in this game that annoy me from time to time, I get annoyed when the light I just alpha'd gets away with no damage due to the lag shield caused by the netcode. I don't complain about it because the devs are aware of this, are working to address it, and there is no point in kicking a dead horse. It annoys me that I can't knock down that mech that is dancing around me. The devs already stated why they did this, and stressed that it was temporary, and would be reinstated when they resolved the issue. It ****** me off when one person tries to come up with a battle plan, only to be told to **** off by some stupid noob, who then gets his whole team massacred because he charged into an ambush. However, that isn't the fault of the devs, they can't control the behavior of players in the community, nor should they be blamed for the griefers and team killers.

As for giving the devs time, I was already resigned to giving them a full year from the time I was invited to closed beta, to make a game that met my expectations, and I have no intention of getting angry about how this game is going until June 11, 2013. Unlike some people, I did not set my expectations high because I knew that human nature would dash those expectations pretty quickly if I did. (having played FFXIV from the beginning to the end of service, I have achieved enlightenment in this regard.)From my POV, PGI has done a good job, I never said they are awesome, just that they have done a good job.

So like I said before, if you hate the way the game is going, and you do not have the maturity to offer criticism that the devs can actually work with, then quit, You'll be doing them a favor by removing one more source of QQing on the forums. If you still have faith and believe PGI knows what it is doing, but are frustrated by how long it's taking to fix these issues, then it might be time to take a break from the game, do other things, and come back when a later patch is introduced.

[Kyrie]

While I have paid money into this game, this does not make me an investor. There is no "investment", there is only pay for services.

In the broader, I-am-obsessed-with-this-game sense, I am emotionally invested in the game I guess. :-)

Always bothers me when people keep saying "protect your investment"... when we aren't.

If I had a few million I'd try to invest in PGI if they'd let me... but lacking that I'm happy to be their customer.

[Axeman1]

If this isn't an investment, then you threw away $120, which is far worse.

[Kyrie]

Axeman1, on 24 November 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

If this isn't an investment, then you threw away $120, which is far worse.

Not at all. I paid 120 for services I have enyoyed, and continue to enjoy. This does not make me an investor. nor was the 120 an investment.

[Fugu]

You are obnoxious even for Ghost Bear standards.
Why don't you voice your opinion via e-mail only instead of having the audacity to tell people to do so just because you disagree? You're a hypocrite.

Your understanding of an investment rivals that of the Lehman brothers in it's stupidity.
"Don't say anything negative on the forums, it'll ruin my investment!" Because it's the posts on the forum that are going to bother new players the most and not the actual issues of the game, isn't it? People are going to have a real blast with the game, see the forum and never play again, right?
You've got to be kidding me!