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[Jedi Outcast]

I'm wondering when we'll start seeing major improvements for users with Dual processors.

I know it's been said it's a priority, because there are still so many dual processors out there still (there aren't that many reasons to change to a quad core, at the moment).

Right now, it seems like the major of Core 2 Duo folks get lousy frame rate (5-10 fps in combat, with 45-60 outside of combat, from experience) on systems that otherwise exceed the minimum requirements.

Note: I'm referring to Dual Cores that actually have the processing power to play modern games (ie E8400 3.0 Ghz), and not ones in your parent's discount laptop from 5 years ago. There is some confusion about the actual difference between dual and quad cores, besides the number of physical processors. The biggest is how it processes data, rather than speed which people seem to think (has to do with how the game program is written). While Quad Cores are the 'future', Dual cores aren't going to be completely phased out for a while (long while). There just isn't enough reason for most people to buy a quad core.

Also PGI still has "Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz" as their minimum requirement CPU, and has also said "Right now a duo core system is our minimum spec machine but it is also our main focus of concern. It is playable on those specifications and I have tested it myself but it is currently very much a minimum spec type of experience running on low-detail settings. It’s obvious that a Quad core system is the key as even the earliest Core 2 Quad systems run the game very well and it is our goal (since there are still so many out there), to optimize the Core 2 Duo systems to run much faster."

I'm not expecting a performance turnaround by next week (I know it's a lot of work to figure this stuff out), I'm just curious where they are with solving performance issues.

Happy Hunting Mechwarriors.

Edited by Interrogator, 24 November 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[Death Weasel]

Patience is a virtue.

[Fiatsu]

Upgrade you cheap Bastardi

[Vulix]

Maybe after netcode gets fixed, which at this rate it looks like never.

[Kernfeuer]

well maybe this will sound an bit mean...but why ur dont buy just an better computer?...well how old is ur sys..5 years or even more?..and now expect do play an modern 2012 game whitout any problems?..and imagine that even those modern computers got some problems whit this game..because...well yes its beta u know

so better think about that before complaining here

[PapaKilo]

They said they would like to get dual-core systems working smoothly.

I don't foresee any kind of 'major' improvements for dual-cores. Some improvements, yes. But remember, dual-cores are the minimum specs for MW:O. People with minimum-spec machines shouldn't expect to play a game with smooth frame rates, even at lower screen resolutions.

Quad-core machines have been commonly available for over five years. That's an eternity in computer years. Be thankful that the MW:O devs are even making the attempt to get dual-cores to work.

As a previous poster said, patience is a virtue.

Edited by PapaKilo, 24 November 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[Ghogiel]

I guess never. but who knows.

[TwoFaced]

I love reading this...by another pc u cheap, hahah...people are so funny.

Most computers being sold are still dual core, so to tell someone to buy or upgrade is sorta stupid I have to say.

I am personally in the market for a new pc, so I have been looking for over a month now, not to play this game, my 5 year old pc is running it just fine. I am having same exact issue as the people with pc built last week.

A game should be designed to meet the minimum specs posted, which currently it is not. So yes, it should be a priority, or update the minimum requirements.

[Grits N Gravy]

When they figure out how to optimize the engine, so that it's not so CPU dependent. They could also make some lower quality textures and shaders, but I don't think they want to do this as they have stated they want MWO to bring premium graphics to the f2p world. What really hurts the dual core players is how they go about delivering these "premium graphics"

What I think is going on is that they have high poly counts in their models and high texture resolutions. I think cryengine handles most of those renders on the CPU. Which is what makes MWO a very cpu intensive program. Most developers will go for a more balanced approach, keeping modest poly counts and texture resolutions while enhancing the look of the game via lighting effects aka shaders, which tend to be handled by the gpu. Though it can be a bit tougher to achieve in a arena shooter as your actors are moving all over your stage, but battlefield 3 did this beautifully.

With the way MWO is setup, your PC is basically continually loading and rendering high resolution textures. Dual cores don't work will for this function because cryengine 3 was setup to use 8 cores, basically 8 cpus, to simultaneously render those textures. The engine wont push those renders to the GPU, so you are basically left with 2 cores trying to do the work of 8. Each core will only render one texture at time. So even with a higher clock speed than a quad core, a dual core will have a longer queue than a quad core resulting in lower fps for the dual. There is really no way to circle that square, unless PG decides to rework their approach to graphics and become more shader dependent, or release lower rez textures for the game. Neither of which I think will happen.

[New Breed]

Interrogator, on 24 November 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

I'm wondering when we'll start seeing major improvements for users with Dual processors.

I know it's been said it's a priority, because there are still so many dual processors out there still (there aren't that many reasons to change to a quad core, at the moment).

Right now, it seems like the major of Core 2 Duo folks get lousy framerate, on systems that otherwise exceed the minimum requirements.

You really should check that, the only game I've played that doesn't use more then 1 core is world of tanks. Well it uses 1.5 cores, it's an odd game. I have a cpu usage gadget on my second monitor at all times and all the cores are always working.

[NocturnalBeast]

DX - 11 will shift more of the load to your GPU if you have a modern video card. The core2 duo is woefully inadequate for this game.

[Cleverbird]

I bought a new computer, just for this game... well, not entirely true... But it was MWO that pushed me over the edge

[Harmatia]

TwoFaced, on 24 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I love reading this...by another pc u cheap, hahah...people are so funny.

Most computers being sold are still dual core, so to tell someone to buy or upgrade is sorta stupid I have to say.

I am personally in the market for a new pc, so I have been looking for over a month now, not to play this game, my 5 year old pc is running it just fine. I am having same exact issue as the people with pc built last week.

A game should be designed to meet the minimum specs posted, which currently it is not. So yes, it should be a priority, or update the minimum requirements.

In a laptop maybe. Most desktop (of the Intel variety), aside total budget systems, all pretty much use 4 core i5 processors.

[GraveWax]

TwoFaced, on 24 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I love reading this...by another pc u cheap, hahah...people are so funny.

Most computers being sold are still dual core, so to tell someone to buy or upgrade is sorta stupid I have to say.

I am personally in the market for a new pc, so I have been looking for over a month now, not to play this game, my 5 year old pc is running it just fine. I am having same exact issue as the people with pc built last week.

A game should be designed to meet the minimum specs posted, which currently it is not. So yes, it should be a priority, or update the minimum requirements.

Seriously where the heck are you trying to buy a gaming machine that is less than quad core these days? even vendors like dell you have to pick the cheapest non gaming piece of crap rigs to get dual core nowadays. Having said that it would be nice if it worked nicer on old hardware as I have a friend that still runs on ancient gear, really it is a testament that it runs at all as their are plenty of games that don't even bother, but definitely should not be a priority

[Flapdrol]

The problem isnt really dual cores or quads but general performance. A dualcore that runs at high speed will probably run this game fine.

a core2duo has pretty low per core performance too, and modern budget dualcores generally run at low clockspeed if they're an intel or are not as powerfull clock/clock if they're an amd.

Edited by Flapdrol, 24 November 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[byteu2]

A lot of cheap gaming systems sold, are i3 processors. Which are still only dual core. Let's face it, hyper-threading is not extra cores. And given how many games there are, that do not require 4 core computers, it's difficult to justify uprading your computer for a game, if you are a frugal person. I had a Core2Duo 3.0GHz with Radeon 6850. I tried MWO on it. I feel your pain. It's been fine as a secondary gaming computer, until MWO.

[TwoFaced]

LOL, gaming machine...who mentioned gaming machine....most people are not going to buy a gaming machine to play this.

Looking at market value for this company, they should gear it towards whats widely sold in the market. Most box stores are selling dual core units, not quads or higher. Even some of the computer specific stores are selling right around 45% dual cores.

For the average person, the dual core is the current standard, thus this is what is widely owned.

If the company is looking to make money, why are they shooting for gaming machines, sorry but most people have went away from pc to consoles for gaming, have you not noticed the lack of content coming to the pc in the last few years.

[Ghogiel]

TwoFaced, on 24 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

LOL, gaming machine...who mentioned gaming machine....most people are not going to buy a gaming machine to play this.

Looking at market value for this company, they should gear it towards whats widely sold in the market. Most box stores are selling dual core units, not quads or higher. Even some of the computer specific stores are selling right around 45% dual cores.

For the average person, the dual core is the current standard, thus this is what is widely owned.

If the company is looking to make money, why are they shooting for gaming machines, sorry but most people have went away from pc to consoles for gaming, have you not noticed the lack of content coming to the pc in the last few years.

I'm not sure people realise how big the PC gaming market actually is.

This is an old article but I guess it's not too out of date.
http://software.inte...d-its-pc-gaming

[Sevaradan]

Your going to see improvements when you buy a modern computer.

[FunkyFritter]

It will probably be faster to save up for a new computer.