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[EternalCore]

st1x, on 03 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

lol is what i say to that.
so up until 3 or so patches ago, when my system was running exactly what it is now, it still wasn't meeting the system requirements?
From early beta up until 3 patches ago i have been having constant playable games with framerates in the high 30's (in furballs) to high 50's when sitting there with my proverbial mech-thumb up my exhaust pipe....i was constantly playing scout mechs that would get into and hold up multiple other targets usually in a 1v2 or 1v3 scenario, 99% of the time i was out weighted and out gunned and i would still walk away from an engagement......and all that on a system that doesn't meet the system requirements?

Someone has already admitted elsewhere on the forums that there is a huge problem with the scripting in the UI. Dual core users have been feeling the blunt end of the club for quite sometime and devs have admitted that the game is very CPU intensive at the moment.

I wasn't going to reply but then i wondered....why should i keep silent about receiving a reply from someone, who probably isnt even an employee of PGI, that doesnt even know my situation.

Three or so, Major Patches ago in Closed Beta, We were using CryEngine3.3. But then the Engine got a Major Update to 3.4, Because IGP/PGI got enough money to afford it and we moved into Open Beta.
The CryEngine3.4 has a ton of new things and requires a better computer to run; thus the Requirements changed! Keep in mind that the more this game becomes advanced the more things will break and slow down until things get optimized. This is where Beta Comes to mind again!

But you atleast have to meet the CryEngine3.4 System requirements to play MWO Effectively and Efficiently!

Also Yes there is UI issues which includes a memory leak...Which has yet to be fixed; And it might even be caused by the ScaleForm GFx engine within the CryEngine3.4. The CryEngine3 Devs would have to fix it then release another Engine update; Which the PGI/IGP devs then would have to update theirs, then test it and finally they would release it to us.

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 05:07 PM.

[xengk]

fxrsniper, on 03 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Dual core is bottle necking your system good specs on memory and card but CPU is a problem this far into beta

Exactly what Im afraid of.
Would my m/b support the new AMD FX CPU or am I limited to the Phenom II line?
Both uses the AM3 socket.

Thanks for the reply.

[EternalCore]

xengk, on 03 December 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Exactly what Im afraid of.
Would my m/b support the new AMD FX CPU or am I limited to the Phenom II line?
Both uses the AM3 socket.

Thanks for the reply.

You would have to buy a whole new Motherboard and memory to use the AMD FX Series CPU's.... But I Recommended staying away from the FX Series because they are quite bad for gaming...

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 06:12 PM.

[FerretGR]

xengk, on 03 December 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Would my m/b support the new AMD FX CPU or am I limited to the Phenom II line?
Both uses the AM3 socket.

FX actually uses the new AM3+ slot, and isn't backwards compatible with most AM3 boards (though there are a few exceptions IIRC).

I wouldn't describe the Phenom II line as limiting yourself. I have a 965 on the way; I'll playtest it alongside my FX6100 and we'll settle it in a few days

[EternalCore]

FerretGR, on 03 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

FX actually uses the new AM3+ slot, and isn't backwards compatible with most AM3 boards (though there are a few exceptions IIRC).

I wouldn't describe the Phenom II line as limiting yourself. I have a 965 on the way; I'll playtest it alongside my FX6100 and we'll settle it in a few days

I bet You'll Love the 965 as I do. Btw don't forget to enable the Core Boost option for it.

[xengk]

FerretGR, on 03 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

FX actually uses the new AM3+ slot, and isn't backwards compatible with most AM3 boards (though there are a few exceptions IIRC).

I wouldn't describe the Phenom II line as limiting yourself. I have a 965 on the way; I'll playtest it alongside my FX6100 and we'll settle it in a few days

Great! This will decide what I will be buying myself as xmas present this year.
Hope to hear the good news.

[FerretGR]

Well, if it helps you get started on your xmas shopping, playing this game right now on FX6100, 3.3GHz OCd to 3.8, and with all settings on low, AA off, 1600x900 res, I'm getting 20-30 frames at the best of times, below 20 in combat with dips from 10-15 :/ (Radeon HD 7870 is the card, but the GPU never gets above 30%)

Edited by FerretGR, 03 December 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[EternalCore]

FerretGR, on 03 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Well, if it helps you get started on your xmas shopping, playing this game right now on FX6100, 3.3GHz OCd to 3.8, and with all settings on low, AA off, 1600x900 res, I'm getting 20-30 frames at the best of times, below 20 in combat with dips from 10-15 :/ (Radeon HD 7870 is the card, but the GPU never gets above 30%)

Yea that's sad even for a New CPU.... I get 30-60fps with my 965 on the high settings(very high doesn't work properly yet). Oh and this game under-uses my system too...

Here's my Full Specs to help you both:

Spoiler

OS: Windows 7 64bit Professional Edition
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3
CPU: AMD Phenom™ II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz + OC'd and tweaked to 3.7GHZ
RAM: 8GB 2 sets of XMS3 — 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Kit (TW3X4G1333C9)
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Ti OC'd Edition
Monitor: Samsung 27" LED Monitor S27A950D True 120hrz 3DTV Enabled.
Soundcard: Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Professional PCIe
SSD: Force Series™ 3 240GB SATA 3 6Gb/s Solid-State Hard Drive
PSU: HX Series HX750 Power Supply — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold Certified Modular PSU

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[xengk]

Thank you both for the reply, FerretGR and EternalCore.
A quick check on the local shops show 965 is not in stock, but there are plenty of 955 and PHENOM II x6 CPU around.

Either take the 955 or might as well go all the way seeing how my PC is nearing it's end for upgrade capability and install a 6 core.

[EternalCore]

xengk, on 03 December 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Thank you both for the reply, FerretGR and EternalCore.
A quick check on the local shops show 965 is not in stock, but there are plenty of 955 and PHENOM II x6 CPU around.

Either take the 955 or might as well go all the way seeing how my PC is nearing it's end for upgrade capability and install a 6 core.

That's because people like you are just realizing about how the 965 is out performing the FX series.
If you can, try getting it from newegg here: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103727 and Happy Hunting.

Edited by EternalCore, 03 December 2012 - 07:59 PM.

[xengk]

EternalCore, on 03 December 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

That's because people like you are just realizing about how the 965 is out performing the FX series.
If you can, try getting it from newegg here: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103727 and Happy Hunting.

Ah, sadly Im not located in the US.
I will try to hunt around it bit more, worst come to worst just fork over the money and get a x6.

thanks for the suggestion.

[PiWright42]

fxrsniper, on 03 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Now Im going to correct you LOL Up to 5200 MT/s ; HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface for AM2+/AM3 CPU
2000 / 1600 MT/s for AM2 CPU His CPU is a AM2 so it does use Frontside bus not hypertranport

That is correct now when you get that Phenom 2 you will need to make sure BIOS is up to date before installing it then yes you will be on HyperTransport instead of Frontside bus it will make a difference but keep in mind that you are still on DDR2 depending what Mhz it is also if you are using DDR2 1066 right now due to the dual core its only running at 800Mhz after updating BIOS and switching to Phenom 2 Quad it will run at 1066 if you are using 1066 now. I found you a board if you need to upgrade its a great board with Asus Diagnose features on it with LED lights for Memory, CPU, Hard Drive, and GPU in case something is wrong they light up and blink a code and UEFI bios which is used by mouse instead of arrow keys Asus Board http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131851 memory http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231428 my choice http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104173

Thanks for the advice. I'll bear it in mind.

[Dragoncrest]

Game ran perfectly for me under closed beta, but nowadays the game is borderline unplayable for me with fps dipping often under 10 fps.

My specs are :

Core2 E8400 running @ 3.9GHz
Ati Radeon HD 6950 with 1 GB ram
8 GB system ram
Running Windows 7 64 bit

[PiWright42]

Dragoncrest, on 04 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Game ran perfectly for me under closed beta, but nowadays the game is borderline unplayable for me with fps dipping often under 10 fps.

My specs are :

Core2 E8400 running @ 3.9GHz
Ati Radeon HD 6950 with 1 GB ram
8 GB system ram
Running Windows 7 64 bit

They are gonna tell you that the game does not like dual core CPUs. Then they will suggest you get a quad, like a Q6600, (I brought up the Q6600 only because that is a LGA 775 as I recall LGA 775 does not support HyperThreading), but they will warn you to check your motherboard and CPU specs and make sure that it supports HyperThreading and does not have a frontside bus. If the motherboard and or CPU does not support HyperThreadingand they will tell you this thread optimization fix will not work, and to get a new motherborad with that quad core CPU.

In your case that means stepping up to the core i5, (sandy bridge preferred). If you have to step up to a new mobo and CPU, (and possibly ram), and are on a budget AMD's Phenom II 965 would be a much more cost effective solution. A good CPU, mobo, and ram combo can be had for less than the cost of a top of the line i7 CPU. Newegg and TigerDirect are good resources. I have accounts with both and tend to shop both as you never know who has the lowest price on what at the time.

Phenom II 4x 965 Black CPU They are both the same CPU the 85 dollar one is on sale right now.

AM3+ mobos. AM3 and AM3+ both support HyperTransport, (AMD's version of Intel's HyperThreading). Right now I favor MSI over Asus, (Asus can be difficult to RMA if it does not perform as well as it could especially if you cannot prove that it's motherboard and not the CPU and or RAM that is causing the issue), and Asus over Gigabyte, (who seem to have an issue with their layering process that can lead to cross talk between those layers on some of their boards, hard for me to say that as I am a major Gigablyte fan boi but I did experience it first hand over time it took longer and longer to boot till I had to start it and find something else to do for about six minutes). I recommend the AM3+ because you should get a longer period of upgrades from the newer mobo and it's backwards compatible with AM3 CPUs like the Phenom II 4x 965.

Extended mobo strategy: An AM3 might should let you get away with running your DDR2 memory a touch longer but if and when AMD gets the issues with the FX processor line hammered out you'll have to upgrade to a AM3+ mobo anyways as AM3+ processors will not work on AM3 motherboards. Given how inexpensive DDR3 memory can be right now you might as well save up and bite the bullet if you decide to upgrade the core of your PC to be "as new."

Memory. Corsair over G.Skill and G.Skill over Kingston, (only because I have a long memory from a Kingston fail in '98 that was probably a rare event).

And for comparison Core i5, and the Core i7, both of which you'll have to get a new motherboard and ram for.

Sorry man, but that was my experience.

Edited by PiWright42, 04 December 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[fxrsniper]

Dragoncrest, on 04 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Game ran perfectly for me under closed beta, but nowadays the game is borderline unplayable for me with fps dipping often under 10 fps.

My specs are :

Core2 E8400 running @ 3.9GHz
Ati Radeon HD 6950 with 1 GB ram
8 GB system ram
Running Windows 7 64 bit

Dual cores dont support Hyperthreading that is a problem for just about every games now days thats why most game suggest Quad cores

[Smokeyjedi]

EternalCore, on 01 December 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Ah okay. I recommend staying away from the AMD FX CPU Series as they suck for gaming...

Id be willing to bet my fx4100 @ 4.760Ghz @1.3125V running DDR3 @ 1520mhz CL8-8-8-22 from stock 1333mhz CL7-7-7-21 would give your beast a run for its money, in raw power. after 4.500ghz this CPU really started to shine, while temps remain lower than 56-58celcius overall. if indv. core temps rise above 60C performance suffers greatly.

[EternalCore]

Smokeyjedi, on 04 December 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Id be willing to bet my fx4100 @ 4.760Ghz @1.3125V running DDR3 @ 1520mhz CL8-8-8-22 from stock 1333mhz CL7-7-7-21 would give your beast a run for its money, in raw power. after 4.500ghz this CPU really started to shine, while temps remain lower than 56-58celcius overall. if indv. core temps rise above 60C performance suffers greatly.

LOL all my temps remain below 45c, minus my GPU of course.

And this is not the place for this type of thing; In Other Words Please remain On topic! Thanks.

P.S. http://clients.futur...InfoId=15881353 <- MMMmmm raw power

Edited by EternalCore, 04 December 2012 - 02:49 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Smokeyjedi, on 04 December 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Id be willing to bet my fx4100 @ 4.760Ghz @1.3125V running DDR3 @ 1520mhz CL8-8-8-22 from stock 1333mhz CL7-7-7-21 would give your beast a run for its money, in raw power. after 4.500ghz this CPU really started to shine, while temps remain lower than 56-58celcius overall. if indv. core temps rise above 60C performance suffers greatly.

I will destroy you lol in game 45 celius the Phenom 2 980 black will smoke 4100 its not just about overclocking its also about threading and the FX series was horrible compared Phenom
Asus P8Z68 V Gen 3 Board, Intel i5 2500k @ 4.4 overclocked, Kingston DDR3 1600 , Corsair H80 CPU liquid cooler, Dual Nvidia GTX 560 ti superclocked @900Mhz SLI, , 250g,1.5 terabyte Hard drives Seasonic 80 plus platinum 860 watt powersupply,CoolerMaster Haf 932 case

[Legion Tauk]

Legion Tauk, on 02 December 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

wrong guess..

You are right my mother board and processor not a mainframe
but not a time to change it, becouse other games and application work normaly and correct.

about RAM - DDR3 10666
other games (also new games) work good on hi-res with 40-60 FPS.
i think problem with cryengine 3 and its work with resoures.

EternalCore, on 02 December 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Here's the major factor: Does your Motherboard still use a Front-Side-Bus instead of Hyper-Threading?

EternalCore, on 02 December 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Here's the major factor: Does your Motherboard still use a Front-Side-Bus instead of Hyper-Threading?

My motherboard is Asus p5e3 delux - http://www.asus.com/...775/P5E_Deluxe/
FSB and HyperThreading included

[fxrsniper]

Legion Tauk, on 04 December 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

My motherboard is Asus p5e3 delux - http://www.asus.com/...775/P5E_Deluxe/
FSB and HyperThreading included

as most boards are but if you are running a Dual core you are using Frontside bus not hyperthreading. That board says nothing about hyperthreading

Edited by fxrsniper, 04 December 2012 - 10:09 PM.