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[fxrsniper]

StepanLevin, on 07 December 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

You don't think clarifying whether a player's system must be upgraded to perform or if the fault lies with the way the game's coded is important? I applaud Click for taking the time to actually dispute what the two of you have said because I may have considered spending hundreds of dollars upgrading my system for no reason. It is wrong to suggest players spend money unnecessarily if the issue is as simple as PGI failing to optimize their coding. Click is helping me so don't try to silence him because you don't like what he has to say.

We are clarifying things no one is listening, if you think Click is helping you then you are in a world of disappointment we do know what we're talking about other wise we wouldn't be wasting our time on this we could be playing the game and not caring about others. We have over 300 members in HHoD I'm constantly helping people with there PC issues lot of people aren't getting the same game performance as others, everything I posted in my post is true and accurate.

Lot of the guys in our group have Dual cores older/newer and there getting the same performance as most of the people here some have upgraded to Quad cores and DDR3 and have gained 20-30 fps more in game. We can argue all day about who's right or wrong, but the reality of it is this is the way technology works and games as well everything plays a part. Yes you were getting good performance early in beta now you're not. well they have added more to the engine which in turn means your PC is having to work harder. Just to prove the point to Click I downloaded Mechwarrior to my Asus G60vx gaming laptop 2.1 dual core, 4 gigs DDR2 and a GTX 260m 1g card, and I was getting the same FPS and performance as all the guys here and the guys in our group, so I feel your pain. Right now this is how it is when they optimize the game more you will see an improvement, but I stand by my statement Quad Core/DDR3 memory is going to give you what you want.

I'd like to add one note the reason we've asked for specs because it lets us know what CPU, motherboard, and Ram you are using to help determine if its a hardware issue. Its not about talking you into spending money its to let you know what the issue could be. Motherboards are all different with different features. There are limitations with certain Motherboards, CPU's and different types of memory

Edited by fxrsniper, 07 December 2012 - 11:28 PM.

[EternalCore]

fxrsniper, on 07 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

We are clarifying things no one is listening, if you think Click is helping you then you are in a world of disappointment we do know what we're talking about other wise we wouldn't be wasting our time on this we could be playing the game and not caring about others. We have over 300 members in HHoD I'm constantly helping people with there PC issues lot of people aren't getting the same game performance as others everything I posted in my post is true and accurate. Lot of the guys in our group have Dual cores older/newer and there getting the same performance as most of the people here some have upgraded to Quad cores and DDR3 and have gained 20-30 fps more in game. We can argue all day about who's right or wrong, but the reality of it is this is the way technology works and games as well everything plays a part. Yes you were getting good performance early in beta now you're not. well they have added more to the engine which in turn means your PC is having to work harder. Just to prove the point to Click I downloaded Mechwarrior to my Asus G60vx gaming laptop 2.1 dual core, 4 gigs DDR2 and a GTX 260m 1g card, and I was getting the same FPS and performance as all the guys here and the guys in our group, so I feel your pain. Right now this is how it is when the optimize the game more you will see an improvement, but I stand by my statement Quad Core/DDR3 memory is going to give you what you want.

Yea I'm getting tired of Repeating myself.......

[StepanLevin]

fxrsniper, on 07 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

We are clarifying things no one is listening, if you think Click is helping you then you are in a world of disappointment we do know what we're talking about other wise we wouldn't be wasting our time on this we could be playing the game and not caring about others. We have over 300 members in HHoD I'm constantly helping people with there PC issues lot of people aren't getting the same game performance as others, everything I posted in my post is true and accurate.

Lot of the guys in our group have Dual cores older/newer and there getting the same performance as most of the people here some have upgraded to Quad cores and DDR3 and have gained 20-30 fps more in game. We can argue all day about who's right or wrong, but the reality of it is this is the way technology works and games as well everything plays a part. Yes you were getting good performance early in beta now you're not. well they have added more to the engine which in turn means your PC is having to work harder. Just to prove the point to Click I downloaded Mechwarrior to my Asus G60vx gaming laptop 2.1 dual core, 4 gigs DDR2 and a GTX 260m 1g card, and I was getting the same FPS and performance as all the guys here and the guys in our group, so I feel your pain. Right now this is how it is when they optimize the game more you will see an improvement, but I stand by my statement Quad Core/DDR3 memory is going to give you what you want.

I'd like to add one note the reason we've asked for specs because it lets us know what CPU, motherboard, and Ram you are using to help determine if its a hardware issue. Its not about talking you into spending money its to let you know what the issue could be. Motherboards are all different with different features. There are limitations with certain Motherboards, CPU's and different types of memory

I don't care about your numbers or whether or not spending hundreds of dollars on hardware upgrades made a difference for your members, of course it did that's obvious. What I care about is whether or not it should be necessary to do so. I am not going to go out and waste money to brute force through a problem with the game if I should not have to. If the problem lies with coding and optimizing on PGI's side why should I have to upgrade to fix it?

Furthermore I provided my specs and am running a quad core processor so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I contracted PGI's support and after some useless suggestions they informed me they had exhausted anything they could try. Funny thing is they admitted at they end that there was a problem with recent patches AND that I likely am stuck with the problem until their coding is improved. So clearly it's not a hardware issue on my end but a coding issue on their end.

DO NOT WASTE MONEY UNNECESSARILY ON A HARDWARE UPGRADE SOLELY TO FIX FRAMERATE ISSUES YOU ARE HAVING WITH MWO UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD TO!

Edited by StepanLevin, 08 December 2012 - 03:55 AM.

[p4r4g0n]

Stepan, with respect, neither Eternal Core nor fxrsniper are trying to do anything but help others out.

That said, let's attribute any bad feelings that may have arisen here to miscommunication / misunderstanding and leave it at that.

Edited by p4r4g0n, 08 December 2012 - 04:06 AM.

[fxrsniper]

StepanLevin, on 08 December 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

I don't care about your numbers or whether or not spending hundreds of dollars on hardware upgrades made a difference for your members, of course it did that's obvious. What I care about is whether or not it should be necessary to do so. I am not going to go out and waste money to brute force through a problem with the game if I should not have to. If the problem lies with coding and optimizing on PGI's side why should I have to upgrade to fix it?

Furthermore I provided my specs and am running a quad core processor so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I contracted PGI's support and after some useless suggestions they informed me they had exhausted anything they could try. Funny thing is they admitted at they end that there was a problem with recent patches AND that I likely am stuck with the problem until their coding is improved. So clearly it's not a hardware issue on my end but a coding issue on their end.

DO NOT WASTE MONEY UNNECESSARILY ON A HARDWARE UPGRADE SOLELY TO FIX FRAMERATE ISSUES YOU ARE HAVING WITH MWO UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD TO!

Then if that's your belief and your situation is different all these other people are having Hardware issues as it has already proven through hundreds of people including myself. We cant continue to blame PGI for a Heavy resource engine that is now showing some of its power when I've tested it on both systems getting the same results, from my high end desktop to my barely above minimum spec laptop that matches most of the specs posted here. I apologize if i've come across the wrong way we're just here trying to help people understand the problem and give them reasoning and options. Also you are using a Athlon X4 which is not built for gaming and they never were as stated by AMD and you're using DDR2 6 gigs which dropped you Mhz from 1066Mhz to 800Mhz depending if you are even using 1066mhz memory, these do play parts in gaming. I to use to have a machine similar to yours just a year ago once I upgraded board and memory I had a drastic performance increase the only difference is I had a Phenom ll X4 945 4g DDR2 1066Mhz memory 9800GT.

Prime example I went from 50-65 fps on high to 100-110fps on ultra in Battlefield 3.
Previous specs GA-750sli board, 4g DDR2 1066Mhz, Phenom ll X4 945, and 9800gt to
GA-990fxa ud3 board, 8g DDR3 1600, Phenom ll X4 945, and GTX 560 ti
And now well my specs are in my sig

Edited by fxrsniper, 08 December 2012 - 06:23 AM.

[starmax]

p4r4g0n, on 08 December 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

Stepan, with respect, neither Eternal Core nor fxrsniper are trying to do anything but help others out.

That said, let's attribute any bad feelings that may have arisen here to miscommunication / misunderstanding and leave it at that.

Thank you Eternal Core and fxrsniper for all your help!! With out it Id and other would be lost!!

[JudgeDeathCZ]

It worked me when i had my old graph card(9500GT) and ive got +5 fps overall and the best thing was that I had no drops.
Now I have Sapphire HD 6670 and it drops from 30-40 down to 5-10 in some cases.

My specs:
AMD x2 250 3.0GHz(i can OC this to 3.3GHz safely)
4GB DDR3 ram
Sapphire HD 6670 1GB DDR5

Ati tray tools makes my monitor flickering and i rly dont know why :x .

I've just tried Planetside 2 and got 60-80 fps during 20v20 fight infantry/tanks/flyers...anything.How the hell MWO can have so BAD optimalisation?

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 10 December 2012 - 12:26 AM.

[EternalCore]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 09 December 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

It worked me when i had my old graph card(9500GT) and ive got +5 fps overall and the best thing was that I had no drops.
Now I have Sapphire HD 6670 and it drops from 30-40 down to 5-10 in some cases.

My specs:
AMD x2 250 3.0GHz(i can OC this to 3.3GHz safely)
4GB DDR3 ram
Sapphire HD 6670 1GB DDR5

Ati tray tools makes my monitor flickering and i rly dont know why :x .

I've just tried Planetside 2 and got 60-80 fps during 20v20 fight infantry/tanks/flyers...anything.How the hell MWO can have so BAD optimalisation?

At this point in time MWO has 0 Optimization...... And The Cryengine3.4 is a heavily demanding game engine...
Read here for the CryEngine3 Spec Requirements: http://mwomercs.com/...re-requirments/

[JudgeDeathCZ]

EternalCore, on 10 December 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

At this point in time MWO has 0 Optimization...... And The Cryengine3.4 is a heavily demanding game engine...
Read here for the CryEngine3 Spec Requirements: http://mwomercs.com/...re-requirments/

Well some tips to improve my gameplay other than buy a whole new PC(even when ppl with FAR better PC than me have same problems)?
And do you know any system tool for monitoring my PC speeds and temperatures which i can see ingame?
EDIT:Ok I found smthing and decided game use my both cores at 100% and graph card at 30% even if my CPU is at min spec and graph card slightly bellow....Its rly NOT FUN!!!
I have to buy new CPU then?

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 10 December 2012 - 03:36 AM.

[FerretGR]

fxrsniper, on 07 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

I'd like to add one note the reason we've asked for specs because it lets us know what CPU, motherboard, and Ram you are using to help determine if its a hardware issue. Its not about talking you into spending money its to let you know what the issue could be. Motherboards are all different with different features. There are limitations with certain Motherboards, CPU's and different types of memory

Indeed. I'm glad this discussion was had because it started me learning about the current FX series AMD chips and their issues. I can run games on my FX6100, but they don't run well, considering that's a year-old CPU in the most modern line of AMDs. I did some preliminary testing this weekend with a Phenom II X4 965 and even at stock (without OC) the difference is striking: at least 5-10 frames in every game I tested.

I'm glad that conversation is being had, and its purpose is the opposite of the concerns being posted: nobody is being told to go buy a new system to run this game, but if they were going to buy a new system for gaming purposes, at least this conversation would have informed them and maybe steered them away from an FX-series AMD... the Phenoms are half the price of the FXs and outperform them by a significant amount. That information can only do good.

I agree there shouldn't be a rush to buy new gear just to play this game: further optimisation, DX11, etc will improve things for many users. But in the meantime there's nothing wrong with having a conversation about hardware and pointing out where someone's system is likely bottlenecking. It's a shame that every conversation along these lines has to devolve into a d*ck-measuring contest featuring people's system and computer knowledge, but if we could get away from the competition with one another for a minute, there are worthwhile things being discussed ITT.

[Imagine Dragons]

I have a Core I7 CPU and a GTX 570 with the lastest beta drivers...

Should I roll back to the lastest non-beta drivers? My FPS bounces between 60 when looking at a close by wall, to 40 when looking out over a larger area, to 30 in any given battle...

[EternalCore]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 10 December 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

Well some tips to improve my gameplay other than buy a whole new PC(even when ppl with FAR better PC than me have same problems)?
And do you know any system tool for monitoring my PC speeds and temperatures which i can see ingame?
EDIT:Ok I found smthing and decided game use my both cores at 100% and graph card at 30% even if my CPU is at min spec and graph card slightly bellow....Its rly NOT FUN!!!
I have to buy new CPU then?

This game does run better with a quad-core CPU, also quad-core CPU's are now the norm and the CryEngine3.4 requirements require a quad-core CPU to run the games on it. Just stay away from the AMD FX Series. Soon All new games will require a quad-core CPU as the games are requiring more torque to run properly. The requirements are posted on the 1st post of this thread.

FerretGR, on 10 December 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Indeed. I'm glad this discussion was had because it started me learning about the current FX series AMD chips and their issues. I can run games on my FX6100, but they don't run well, considering that's a year-old CPU in the most modern line of AMDs. I did some preliminary testing this weekend with a Phenom II X4 965 and even at stock (without OC) the difference is striking: at least 5-10 frames in every game I tested.

I'm glad that conversation is being had, and its purpose is the opposite of the concerns being posted: nobody is being told to go buy a new system to run this game, but if they were going to buy a new system for gaming purposes, at least this conversation would have informed them and maybe steered them away from an FX-series AMD... the Phenoms are half the price of the FXs and outperform them by a significant amount. That information can only do good.

I agree there shouldn't be a rush to buy new gear just to play this game: further optimisation, DX11, etc will improve things for many users. But in the meantime there's nothing wrong with having a conversation about hardware and pointing out where someone's system is likely bottlenecking. It's a shame that every conversation along these lines has to devolve into a d*ck-measuring contest featuring people's system and computer knowledge, but if we could get away from the competition with one another for a minute, there are worthwhile things being discussed ITT.

Yea like we were pointing out; that is why the 965 are still selling and why AMD is still making them.
Now try OC'ing the 965 to 3.9ghz and then test the games again.

XenomorphZZ, on 10 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I have a Core I7 CPU and a GTX 570 with the lastest beta drivers...

Should I roll back to the lastest non-beta drivers? My FPS bounces between 60 when looking at a close by wall, to 40 when looking out over a larger area, to 30 in any given battle...

I'm not using the beta drivers and MWO + my other games are running better then they were with the beta drivers.

[fxrsniper]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 09 December 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

It worked me when i had my old graph card(9500GT) and ive got +5 fps overall and the best thing was that I had no drops.
Now I have Sapphire HD 6670 and it drops from 30-40 down to 5-10 in some cases.

My specs:
AMD x2 250 3.0GHz(i can OC this to 3.3GHz safely)
4GB DDR3 ram
Sapphire HD 6670 1GB DDR5

Ati tray tools makes my monitor flickering and i rly dont know why :x .

I've just tried Planetside 2 and got 60-80 fps during 20v20 fight infantry/tanks/flyers...anything.How the hell MWO can have so BAD optimalisation?

Optimization is an issue Judge I wish you would have told me you were having trouble the other night when you were on Teamspeak. Dual cores are not running this game as good any more CryEngine has gotten a little heavier in the resource department go HHoD lol

XenomorphZZ, on 10 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I have a Core I7 CPU and a GTX 570 with the lastest beta drivers...

Should I roll back to the lastest non-beta drivers? My FPS bounces between 60 when looking at a close by wall, to 40 when looking out over a larger area, to 30 in any given battle...

I wouldn't mess with it you can try it but most of the last 3 up dates including beta were based around the 600 series. I to get around what you do, but I would have to say ping, optimization DirectX 11 are all playing a part.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

fxrsniper, on 10 December 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Optimization is an issue Judge I wish you would have told me you were having trouble the other night when you were on Teamspeak. Dual cores are not running this game as good any more CryEngine has gotten a little heavier in the resource department go HHoD lol

I am ať work atm posting from my Xperia Pro so maybe tommorow m8.
And I don't have problems with performance since i run this game mostly about 30 fps.I just don't know why its droping to single digits :s .

[fxrsniper]

FerretGR, on 10 December 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Indeed. I'm glad this discussion was had because it started me learning about the current FX series AMD chips and their issues. I can run games on my FX6100, but they don't run well, considering that's a year-old CPU in the most modern line of AMDs. I did some preliminary testing this weekend with a Phenom II X4 965 and even at stock (without OC) the difference is striking: at least 5-10 frames in every game I tested.

I'm glad that conversation is being had, and its purpose is the opposite of the concerns being posted: nobody is being told to go buy a new system to run this game, but if they were going to buy a new system for gaming purposes, at least this conversation would have informed them and maybe steered them away from an FX-series AMD... the Phenoms are half the price of the FXs and outperform them by a significant amount. That information can only do good.

I agree there shouldn't be a rush to buy new gear just to play this game: further optimisation, DX11, etc will improve things for many users. But in the meantime there's nothing wrong with having a conversation about hardware and pointing out where someone's system is likely bottlenecking. It's a shame that every conversation along these lines has to devolve into a d*ck-measuring contest featuring people's system and computer knowledge, but if we could get away from the competition with one another for a minute, there are worthwhile things being discussed ITT.

You know that's all we're trying to do, but some people don't seem to get that. They want to argue about things they don't understand then try to talk down to with saying you don't know what you're talking about . then try to throw Wiki at you to prove you wrong, then you give them actual facts with links to prove it and they still dont get it. You know its Ok I know who I am and what I know and so does the hundreds of people in both of the Gaming communities that I'm with do. Not to mention all the clients I have or had.

[CamoMouse]

System Windows 8 64 Bit
16.0 GB RAM
64-bit operating system
AMD FX-8150 Eight-Core Processor
Total size of hard disk(s) 991 GB
Disk partition (C:) 34 GB Free (59 GB Total) SSD
Disk partition (D:) 303 GB Free (931 GB Total) RAID-0
Media drive (F:) Blue Ray Burner
Graphics
AMD Radeon HD 6870 Series X2
Drivers 12.11 9892 MB
2048 MB
7844 MB
9.10.8.0
1920x1080
1920x1080
DirectX 11

Did not help me.
I can put the Graphics settings on very low and have the same frame rate as very high.

Edited by CamoMouse, 10 December 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[Crazycajun]

I've tried to use Ati tray tools several times now ...installs fine and all ..but i cannot launch it

for whatever reason it keeps telling me this

Can Not initialize ATIPDLXX libarary! Exiting now..any solution?

now on the other hand..im using radeon pro for my hd6770's xfire setup.. all 4 cores selected with high priority selected ..with a few of the goody stuff modified..

game runs 40+ fps most of the time... <baring net>

disregard that last transmission,..i repeat..disregard..

figured that issue out..

now why does it say crossfire not supported when i clearly have crossfire on? does att not support it?

Edited by Crazycajun, 10 December 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[fxrsniper]

CamoMouse, on 10 December 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

System Windows 8 64 Bit
16.0 GB RAM
64-bit operating system
AMD FX-8150 Eight-Core Processor
Total size of hard disk(s) 991 GB
Disk partition (C:) 34 GB Free (59 GB Total) SSD
Disk partition (D:) 303 GB Free (931 GB Total) RAID-0
Media drive (F:) Blue Ray Burner
Graphics
AMD Radeon HD 6870 Series X2
Drivers 12.11 9892 MB
2048 MB
7844 MB
9.10.8.0
1920x1080
1920x1080
DirectX 11

Did not help me.
I can put the Graphics settings on very low and have the same frame rate as very high.

We have people having issues as well I loved AMD for 15 years but BullDozer is just not doing as it should have. You have a good setup there I would have to say DirectX 11 and Optimization is all you need

[FerretGR]

Indeed, just be patient is the best advice for you at this point, CamoMouse. Wait for the coders to fix the problem that's lagging that system. I'm sure it plays okay on other games.

Are you familiar with overclocking? A very modest overclock of that CPU (ie. a couple of hundred MHz) might make a significant difference.

[CamoMouse]

I'm sorry if I came across as complaining. I assure you I'm not.
I know we are still beta. Alot of polishing is still to be done.
This is not a finished product.
I was just posting my config and my experiences.
Trying to help with the beta.

Thank you for the fast responses.
I do overclock. I water cool.
I was just posting that no mater what I do or try, I get the same end result.
The FPS is exactly the same no matter what trick I try to pull.
I'm not mad or trying being unpleasant .

I just figured ever little input from the gamers help.