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[xenoglyph]

This is a pretty huge coding challenge, please cut the devs some slack =)

if (player.causeOfDeath == deathType.Overheat)
{
   player.earnedCbills = 0;
}

[Vexgrave Lars]

Agent of Change, on 28 November 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

Your numbers are low.

In the first 5 weeks of OB I did the following with legitamate play of around an average of 3-4 hours of play a day (week is patch tuesday through monday):

• week 1: Started with a founders cat, Bought 2 other cats with MC (to get me started) and then proceeded to grind each of the cats through elite (heavily tweaking as I went along) finished on sunday ground for a few cbills.
  
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• Week 2: Bought and modified first two Ravens outright with stashed cbills, proceeded to grind those through basic bought and customised third raven with banked cbills, proceed to to grind all three variants through elite, finished saturday.
  
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• Week 3: Bought and modified first two cidcadas outright with banked cbills. ground through basic, bought third cicada and modified, finished elite grind on all three monday.
  
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• Week 4: Bought and modified first Phract ground through basic, bought ans modified second phract ground through basic, bought and modified third ground, finished elite grind on all three variants on friday. Ground for further cbills
  
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• Week 5: Started heavily revamping some variants whose build i was less satisfied, bought a couple additional XL engines (to avoid the engine shuffle for every mech) and now on wednesday i have ~13 mil banked.

Larger point IF all bot are getting is 26 mil in 6 days they are probably wasting their time.



My average game is about 7 minutes and i average around 175 in 190k profit over all wins and losses.

To get 26 Mil my way measured at 175k of profit average it comes to 148 victories at an average of 7 minutes that's only 17 hours or approx an average of 2.8 hours a day for 6 hours, or approximately 1.5 mil an hour which is something I have been able to maintain fairly well when getting continuous games in.

Not to ruin the above chest pounding.. but mate you're WORKING at it.. they are making sandwiches. Yes when you play you can win and earn more. But while your geeking and working at it, they are probably getting laid.

See the difference.. Get up for work, set bot, go to work, come home, eat meal, [REDACTED], shower, brush, collect C-bills, good night, snicker as I fall asleep at those poor [REDACTED] who are making double per match by working at it...

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA fracking [REDACTED]..

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 November 2012 - 11:54 AM.
removed offensive language

[Agent of Change]

Vexgrave Lars, on 28 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Not to ruin the above chest pounding.. but mate you're WORKING at it.. they are making sandwiches. Yes when you play you can win and earn more. But while your geeking and working at it, they are probably getting laid.

See the difference.. Get up for work, set bot, go to work, come home, eat meal, [REDACTED], shower, brush, collect C-bills, good night, snicker as I fall asleep at those poor [REDACTED] who are making double per match by working at it...

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA fracking [REDACTED]..

See the funny thing the 'dipshits' in question that are 'geeking' are also enjoying themselves and PLAYING the game.

Nowhere in there is there anything that seems like work to me, but then I actually enjoy playing games and have enough respect for others that I won't cheat and ruin others enjoyment. It also wasn't chest pounding it was an accurate description of how an average player can meet or exceed the bots effectiveness.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 November 2012 - 12:01 PM.
removed offensive language from quote

[Krivvan]

Just to clear up any possible misunderstanding.

4Chan isn't some site that inherently promotes hacks or anything like that. It's essentially a completely unmoderated forum. He's probably referring to a thread that was on there at some point (if it ever existed in the first place), but it got deleted (from being too old, it happens quickly on 4chan) ages ago.

Edited by Krivvan, 28 November 2012 - 11:04 AM.

[DragonsFire]

Vexgrave Lars, on 28 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Not to ruin the above chest pounding.. but mate you're WORKING at it.. they are making sandwiches. Yes when you play you can win and earn more. But while your geeking and working at it, they are probably getting laid.

See the difference.. Get up for work, set bot, go to work, come home, eat meal, [REDACTED], shower, brush, collect C-bills, good night, snicker as I fall asleep at those poor [REDACTED] who are making double per match by working at it...

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA fracking [REDACTED]..

Perhaps, and this is just a thought, but perhaps a great many folks who you claim are 'working' at it are playing the game to actually play it and not this conjured idea of working at it that you seem to hold. Sure, the bot collects c-bills faster, but to what end? It's not like you have some crazy prize at the end of the c-bill collection scramble. You just have more of them at the end of the day, but who cares? And I certainly don't lament the gametime I put in because again, I'm here for the game. If I want to do something else, I stop playing and do something else. Pretty simple really.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 November 2012 - 12:02 PM.
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[Vexgrave Lars]

Agent of Change, on 28 November 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

See the funny thing the 'dipshits' in question that are 'geeking' are also enjoying themselves and PLAYING the game.

Nowhere in there is there anything that seems like work to me, but then I actually enjoy playing games and have enough respect for others that I won't cheat and ruin others enjoyment. It also wasn't chest pounding it was an accurate description of how an average player can meet or exceed the bots effectiveness.

Man, I never dump a match, I make decent Cbills.. My point is, we care, they don't and we are paying for it.

I have lost a lot of matches.. I do not claim to be a great pilot 50% win ratio. But alot of those matches I lost because we were 2 or sometime 3 deep in AFK people or farmers.

I'm on my pay premium time and bleeding, fun and time because of these tards and the overall "seeming" indifference of those in power.

Its fun to play a full match and lose because we got beat. Its ******** to lose AND face repairs because you start with 3 sleeping Atlas's on your team.

[DragonsFire]

Vexgrave Lars, on 28 November 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Man, I never dump a match, I make decent Cbills.. My point is, we care, they don't and we are paying for it.

I have lost a lot of matches.. I do not claim to be a great pilot 50% win ratio. But alot of those matches I lost because we were 2 or sometime 3 deep in AFK people or farmers.

I'm on my pay premium time and bleeding, fun and time because of these tards and the overall "seeming" indifference of those in power.

Its fun to play a full match and lose because we got beat. Its ******** to lose AND face repairs because you start with 3 sleeping Atlas's on your team.

If you're 2-3 AFK Atlas deep, you type to your team and tell them to hold the cap and use the Atlas as bait. Sure, it doesn't always work, but all too often I see teams just blindly charge out of their cap and not bother to take notice that they don't have a full team with them.

I generally don't mind the matches where we have AFK's. I'm not a fan either, but I always look at it as a challenge of how to overcome the odds and pull out the win. The disconnects/suicides are generally better though as that usually gives the other team a false sense of security and they just charge blindly in. Even a loosely coordinated group of PUG's can lay down fire on 2-3 targets that have outpaced their heavy/assault support. All it takes is a few things typed in team chat, most people are smart enough to figure the rest out.

[Agent of Change]

Vexgrave Lars, on 28 November 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Man, I never dump a match, I make decent Cbills.. My point is, we care, they don't and we are paying for it.

I have lost a lot of matches.. I do not claim to be a great pilot 50% win ratio. But alot of those matches I lost because we were 2 or sometime 3 deep in AFK people or farmers.

I'm on my pay premium time and bleeding, fun and time because of these tards and the overall "seeming" indifference of those in power.

Its fun to play a full match and lose because we got beat. Its ******** to lose AND face repairs because you start with 3 sleeping Atlas's on your team.

I can't agree more and there are several solutions, ranging from: **** those ******* ******* they get nothing NOTHING!!! to adjusting the rewards system to make it unpalatable to not play the game.

Personally I find that joining a team is was hopefully will be the best current work around to the fucksticks currently trolling/farming/being idiots on MWO. The 8 v. 8 (minus crashes) will at least somewhat ensure that everyone there is there to actually play the game. This doesn't help those who just want to pug (but i did say it was my workaround) so that's on PGI to find a more permenant solution.

My favorite suggestion is to entirely eliminate the "participation" payment (i.e. absolutely nothing is given to a player just for being on a winning or losing side) make the win/lose bonus a multiplier for the rewards they do earn, Re-balance the rewards to entirely to Mission/teamwork/role based actions, and make it so a repair bill never costs more than you earned in a match (not to reduce the repair costs but so it cannot run you into the negative if the bill exceeds the reward).

Cheaters are douchebags and i have no sympathy on them if/when the hammer drops. i just hope it avoids hurting people actually trying to play the game.

Edited by Agent of Change, 28 November 2012 - 11:27 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Paul BlackJack Cady, on 28 November 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

You guys are getting off topic... the point here I think is the cheaters are NOT PLAYING!! all of your responses are geared to playing the game and how long it will take to make this kind of c-bill's.....

...as founders with premium time.

Anyway, pugging without premium time isn't actually faster than afk grinding. For one you might pay for repairs. secondly you end up in the match times far, far longer than 30secs. Even playing properly with a lot of owned mechs, it's probably faster to grind cbills with trial mechs than to use your actual owned mech IF you pay for refitts and reloads.

On peak times pugging, say right after a patch, you will be having a decent run if you get a little over 1/2 W/L ratio. On off peak when it's mostly pugs that ratio works out the opposite. So lets just say 50% win on average in pugs.

On average I do make some cbills. But if I paid for rearms, it's only about ~50k cbills for every 2 matches. I just did a test right now to get a taste of the average grind freeplayer scum might have to endure in their quest for the paper. Brawler atlas repair bills included.

Decent win


Not so decent win


Average loss



Of course no non premium player is actually repairing their armor or ammo. So for a little disadvantage the actual earnings are certainly a lot higher.

[OneManWar]

Wait, is this for that guy [REDACTED]? He's a good chap LOL! I played with him 3 times last night, the first 2 times he spewed his ******** and disconnected after killing himself right away. The 3rd time apparently everyone on my team had already seen him a few times as well so we all just turned and wasted him on the spot when the match started. Even if he wanted to play a real game at that point we took it out of his hands.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 November 2012 - 12:03 PM.
name and shame

[Vassago Rain]

Krivvan, on 28 November 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Just to clear up any possible misunderstanding.

4Chan isn't some site that inherently promotes hacks or anything like that. It's essentially a completely unmoderated forum. He's probably referring to a thread that was on there at some point (if it ever existed in the first place), but it got deleted (from being too old, it happens quickly on 4chan) ages ago.

No, 4chan is hackers on steroids. I saw it on FOX once.

[Sevaradan]

OneManWar, on 28 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Wait, is this for that guy [REDACTED]? He's a good chap LOL! I played with him 3 times last night, the first 2 times he spewed his ******** and disconnected after killing himself right away. The 3rd time apparently everyone on my team had already seen him a few times as well so we all just turned and wasted him on the spot when the match started. Even if he wanted to play a real game at that point we took it out of his hands.

Winning.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 November 2012 - 12:04 PM.
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[Rizzwind]

Just shoot out one side of there mech so it can't overheat then there stuck in game with a macro that will never kill them.

[Blaank]

Guys, it's 28.8 mil PER DAY for 6 days. He has 172 million by the 6th day and he doesn't have to do anything at all. It works while he sleeps. I've reported him 4 times already today.

It's going to get worse.

[RedDragon]

Also reported this today and got a positive answer from support. The thing is: What use is such a bot for you if your account gets banned? I mean... you only do this because you actually want to play the game, because there is no selling C-Bills like in other games... so you farm money, get banned and have nothing in the end. Seems kinda stupid to me.

[Ghogiel]

RedDragon, on 28 November 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

Also reported this today and got a positive answer from support. The thing is: What use is such a bot for you if your account gets banned? I mean... you only do this because you actually want to play the game, because there is no selling C-Bills like in other games... so you farm money, get banned and have nothing in the end. Seems kinda stupid to me.

I hope your responses from IGP aren't the same standard automated ones I get>

"
Thank you for contacting MechWarrior® Online™ support. Your request has been received and is pending assignment to one of our Game Masters.
If you have additional details to add, or if you wish to share files that could help with the issue, please reply to this message and attach the files as attachments (screenshots, log files, DxDiag)
You can find the latest patch notes and known issues list here: http://mwomercs.com/...t-and-feedback/

The ComStar corporation wishes you a great time patrolling our wasteland in your favourite Battle Mech!
Best Regards,
MechWarrior® Online™ support team"

It would be a waste of time if that would happen, no one has been banned for farming.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Ghogiel, on 28 November 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

I hope your responses from IGP aren't the same standard automated ones I get>

"
Thank you for contacting MechWarrior® Online™ support. Your request has been received and is pending assignment to one of our Game Masters.
If you have additional details to add, or if you wish to share files that could help with the issue, please reply to this message and attach the files as attachments (screenshots, log files, DxDiag)
You can find the latest patch notes and known issues list here: http://mwomercs.com/...t-and-feedback/

The ComStar corporation wishes you a great time patrolling our wasteland in your favourite Battle Mech!
Best Regards,
MechWarrior® Online™ support team"

It would be a waste of time if that would happen, no one has been banned for farming.

That form reply is automatically generated when they receive a ticket. A live customer support representative will get back to your shortly. Thank you for contacting MWO Support regarding this issue

[RedDragon]

Nope, it was more like "We will follow-up on this privately, thank you for bringing this to our attention."

[Ghogiel]

Prosperity Park, on 28 November 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

That form reply is automatically generated when they receive a ticket. A live customer support representative will get back to your shortly. Thank you for contacting MWO Support regarding this issue

Prosperity Park, on 28 November 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

That form reply is automatically generated when they receive a ticket. A live customer support representative will get back to your shortly.

BS shortly. I've sent reports weeks ago and that's all I've ever got.

[Sevaradan]

Prosperity Park, on 28 November 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

That form reply is automatically generated when they receive a ticket. A live customer support representative will get back to your shortly. Thank you for contacting MWO Support regarding this issue

and reply with another form response that tells you nothing