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[DerelictTomcat]

Skimming through this I see people complaining about bad net code then later stating they are on a wireless system. Wireless is a convenience not a necessity and could cause many issues.

I wonder how many of the "problems" are just todays gamer knows little beyond hitting the reset button on an X-box. I mean what computer gamer would play on a wireless anything or a laptop and not expect the added lag, dropouts and complications associated with this?

If you're on a wireless if you're on a laptop and you are having issues its not PGI's fault.

[Freeride Forever]

3PV is not what the game is missing. It's missing a fu<kload of content, optimizations & bug fixes. Does everyone agree with that? Or is that just my opinion from my perspective? Can everyone agree that developer attention needs to go to those places first? Some want 3PV, some don't, some want ECM one way, others want it another, same for every other game element. There are different sides.

Is anyone on the fence about the memory leak, or CTD, freezing, etc? Like did you have to stop & think "hmmmmmm, well............ CTD, yeah that's kife 'cuz then I'm not even playing, but the slideshow, well I kinda like that. Adds a new challenge for me to the game"? Anyone out there thinkin' some $h|t like that? If so then it must be because MWO is so content poor. Anyone want to deny that?

Whatever anyone's opinion about anything, it certainly must be agreeable that 3PV is not a main priority because it is divisive. The bugs, optimizations & missing content are all things we ALL agree on. Any given thing may have varying amounts of significance to each of us, but we can all agree that the CTD problem is a problem. The memory leak is a problem. The lack of content is a problem. Does PGI recognize that such things need to be fixed first?

If they're happy with the base of players they currently have, they better hope that base is fanatical, 'cuz in 13 days, their competitor (like it or not) will be releasing a much more solid product for people to invest time & maybe money in & I've seen no 3PV in it while piloting the mech. What I have seen is a chat box in the lobby, integrated VOIP, skill based MM, solid frame rates & a stable platform with 4 maps & 4 modes & I haven't downloaded the CB3 yet. They have some issues, but they are minor & they are few.

Some of us may be a$$holes, sometimes, but sometimes some $h|t needs to be said. Like the difference between being a parent to a kid or being a friend. Sometimes you may need to be hated for a while for the good of something you care about. We all care about this & we all agree on some common & serious issues. I wish we could start ripping on PGI for those & get off the $h|t like 3PV & weapon/equipment balancing.

Edited by Freeride Forever, 30 November 2012 - 05:26 PM.

[Lonestar1771]

DerelictTomcat, on 30 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Skimming through this I see people complaining about bad net code then later stating they are on a wireless system. Wireless is a convenience not a necessity and could cause many issues.

I wonder how many of the "problems" are just todays gamer knows little beyond hitting the reset button on an X-box. I mean what computer gamer would play on a wireless anything or a laptop and not expect the added lag, dropouts and complications associated with this?

If you're on a wireless if you're on a laptop and you are having issues its not PGI's fault.

Lol, so why do most other online games work just fine on laptops and wireless cards? Your strawman is pathetic at best.

[LordBraxton]

DerelictTomcat, on 30 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Skimming through this I see people complaining about bad net code then later stating they are on a wireless system. Wireless is a convenience not a necessity and could cause many issues.

I wonder how many of the "problems" are just todays gamer knows little beyond hitting the reset button on an X-box. I mean what computer gamer would play on a wireless anything or a laptop and not expect the added lag, dropouts and complications associated with this?

If you're on a wireless if you're on a laptop and you are having issues its not PGI's fault.

I have a wired connection but I am on a gaming laptop.
A laptop that can easily run
Skyrim
Bf3
Crysis1-2
Planetside2
Shogun Total War

but I can't run this game above 8fps in combat (anymore I used to run it 30fps pre cry3.4)

clearly this game is very poorly optimized don't make excuses for them

[Stone Wall]

Diablo 3(eventhough it was bad to begin with) was further ruined by constant complaints to nerf everything.

[Bloody]

i respectfully disagree with the OP

if i created a game and someone exploits the game rules to their advantage contrary to the spirit of the intended game, i do not ban them or shout YOU *&^%$^^$* CHEATS YOU ARE RUINING MY GAME !!! Because that would be pretty damn stupid on my part.

If i did so, i would regard myself as a failed ******** game dev. No , i would go back and make sure the rules encourage the players to play by the rules and give if a certain subset of players want to play it their way, hey as long as they do not interfere with the general population well, that is workable. That is what mods and referees are for.

[Azantia]

<---- Is crazy because he believes the real problem is too many people have come into the community who have NO EARTHLY idea how much depth battletech truly has, and have no intention of learning or respecting the spirit of the IP...

Problem = mainstream exposure

unfortunately, no mainstream exposure, no revenue.

No revenue, no game, right?

/catch22

I still say [REDACTED] (That ones for you Helmer) to all the non-battletech fan luggage we have picked up who support fundamentally non-spirit-of-battletech changes...

but remember, im crazy.

[Socket7]

Every day I read another thread saying the exact same things about.

The net code sucks, quit being lazy. It should be fixed by now.
This weapon/Mech/map sucks, Quit being lazy. It should be fixed by now.
My 6 year old computer can't play the game, quit being lazy it should be fixed by now.
3rd person sucks, Quit being lazy or I quit.
Farmers suck. PGI should automate bans for that. I don't understand why they don't get banned. No I won't report farmers through the existing system.

I've not seen such a vitriolic, entitled, pathetic community in years, and I'm glad I never have to hear you in my headset because voice chat isn't working yet. Best missing feature ever.

A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Socket7]

LordBraxton, on 30 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

clearly this game is very poorly optimized don't make excuses for them

It's in beta. The codebase is constantly changing. Of COURSE it's not going to run well on your laptop with a hamstrung graphics card or processor. Of course it's not optimized. You optimize after you fix the bugs, otherwise fixing any one bug could require yet another round of optimization, taking yet more time.

It's not an excuse, it's a truism. That's how development works.

[Bloody]

Socket7, on 30 November 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

I've not seen such a vitriolic, entitled, pathetic community in years, and I'm glad I never have to hear you in my headset because voice chat isn't working yet. Best missing feature ever.

A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

huh ? really you think this is bad? i think the MWO community is ok , about average to be honest. I seen far more posts from randoms threatening the devs with physical violence etc

nah this is not that bad considering most of it is self inflicted

[Accurs3D]

ITT: Enhanced golden imaging on an unprecedented scale. Available for the low low price of $120.
Sure brah, it's the players.

Don't worry about the lack of balance.
Or the lack of content.
Or the horrible optimization.
Or the terrible netcode.

Oh yeah, we're also losing players.
So, if all the players leave and there's only a skeleton crew left, whose fault is it?

[Gunnar81]

This post is truly the sign that the Mayans weren't bull******** when they diddled up their last page on the calender.

[Bloody]

Accurs3D, on 30 November 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

ITT: Enhanced golden imaging on an unprecedented scale. Available for the low low price of $120.
Sure brah, it's the players.

Don't worry about the lack of balance.
Or the lack of content.
Or the horrible optimization.
Or the terrible netcode.

Oh yeah, we're also losing players.
So, if all the players leave and there's only a skeleton crew left, whose fault is it?

well according to some it is because the players expect too much for a beta and even tho they paid for it , they should be less entitled ?

Gunnar81, on 30 November 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

This post is truly the sign that the Mayans weren't bull******** when they diddled up their last page on the calender.

never trust a soothsayer who could not even predict their own demise

[tenderloving]

DerelictTomcat, on 30 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Skimming through this I see people complaining about bad net code then later stating they are on a wireless system. Wireless is a convenience not a necessity and could cause many issues.

I wonder how many of the "problems" are just todays gamer knows little beyond hitting the reset button on an X-box. I mean what computer gamer would play on a wireless anything or a laptop and not expect the added lag, dropouts and complications associated with this?

If you're on a wireless if you're on a laptop and you are having issues its not PGI's fault.

Wow, just wow.

[Gunnar81]

Its just a game still in beta, still in the development process. Everyones been waiting for a BTech game for sooo long and these guys chose to let the general public test it. May have been a bad idea on their part, but the combination of needing funding to carry on, and to generate public interest lead us to this spot were in, playing a game thats not finished. Now, most rational people would just say, 'hey, its not finished maybe I'll put it down for awhile and come back in a month and see how its coming along.' But nooooo, most of the complaining is coming from people who are already mad and keep flogging the dead horse. Think about it, in todays world when was the last time you actually got what you paid for that wasn't complete ****? At least this game is a work in progress...

[GalaxyBluestar]

just a 5c summery

we've all made our posts for either one of two reasons.

one is that they played a few matches didn't like it and decided to let the world know about it without even saying why their experience made this game hell on earth. they do not invite any constructive critasism and just want to affirm their mindset that they're in the right because someone might agree.

the second are people who notice what the game is lacking or being spoilt by and want to respond in eranest to state a case and see if anything can be done about it. it's for the good of an expanding game and the wishes to make it the most playable, the most fun and the most succesfull game on the net. these people who care about getting it right usually have done research about the mechwarriror/battletech folklore and how it would be best implemented for either cannon's sake of gaming sake. the complaints are harder to distinguish between pure hatred and annoyance at a game that might be hurting itself to be playable and welcoming to new players. people who have cared are open to new ideas and help eachother with solving the problems thus helping devs with info how they can perform their best for the gaming community.

the one's who are toxic are those with a solid belief not careing how other gamers would like to play this free for everyone game and continue hurling the abuse and even sneaking agenda's so they can continue useing bugs to better themselves. these people are the one's who are endangering the game. if you think i'm wrong then i don't mind you saying it, but constructive critasism means you don't just understand the problems you're trying to make solutions and act on it. that's just what we need to keep in mind whilst posting.

happy hunting gentlemen!

[GalaxyBluestar]

Socket7, on 30 November 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Every day I read another thread saying the exact same things about.

The net code sucks, quit being lazy. It should be fixed by now.
This weapon/Mech/map sucks, Quit being lazy. It should be fixed by now.
My 6 year old computer can't play the game, quit being lazy it should be fixed by now.
3rd person sucks, Quit being lazy or I quit.
Farmers suck. PGI should automate bans for that. I don't understand why they don't get banned. No I won't report farmers through the existing system.

I've not seen such a vitriolic, entitled, pathetic community in years, and I'm glad I never have to hear you in my headset because voice chat isn't working yet. Best missing feature ever.

A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

this is one of my bad's and i have made suggestions in my support post and on the forum about the suicide farmers. simply the current sytem can't handle how many their are. it's almost evry 5 matches where you find one, so it would become alot like civil service work to keep filling complaints. that's no fun. really it's a case of waiting for the game to develope before we can do something about it without everyone playing citizens arrest. i've suggested as only a fool overheats to destruction whilst in a fight that if you do overheat your mech to destruction = no rewards. that would get rid of that farming plan in a blink of an eye. it wouldn't punish any real players cause yeah... no one is stupid enough to do it for real and those who do need to learn the hardway not to do it.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 30 November 2012 - 07:40 PM.

[Kadassa]

I thought this thread started off complaining about the 3rd person view? o.O how did it end up here? As for me I'm running off of a Dongle...that harnesses 3G wireless internet from your phone...and I have no problems with lag/netcode even though I do get DCed when I lose the signal >.> And all the people that are kicking and screaming about the 3rd person view? Let them come out with it. This IS OPEN BETA so if it goes as badly as you all say it will then they can just take it out >;p This game is still under development!

[stoph]

I think a lot of people are missing the point of the OPs post. He isn't saying don't put forth your complaints criticisms and concerns. What he is saying is attempt to do that in a more constructive, less destructive way, and that by being destructive and virulent we are actually contributing to one of several problems that PGI faces in making the epic game we all want. Also if you REALLY feel that PGI has failed completely and there is no hope for this game, go away! There are plenty of other games out there that would be glad to take your money.

Allow me to illustrate a point for you.

Typical nerd-rage post: "PGI are complete d**kh**ds you have ruined the game by implementing this game tweak what the f*** were you thinking you d**ch*b*g a**h*l*e MotherF**k**s I F****ng hate you F*****ng a****ols you all deserve to die in a fire. Also you didn't implement this other game tweak I wanted and therefore have completely ruined the game and how f**k**g dare you consider doing this it isn't TT rules and no f****ing way could this balance anything because I'm so much smarter than you f**k**g a**h***es.

This is how it could have been phrased "PGI I am concerned about this particular game tweak because I feel it has these negative impacts on the game (point A,B,etc) I would believe that implementing this change instead would have been more effective for these following reasons (point A,B,C,etc). Also I have not seen any information on implementing this other tweak which I think would add to the game community for the following reasons (point A,B,C,etc) but you would face these potential hurdles (point A,B,C,etc) which I believe could be overcome through the following implementations (point A,B,C,etc)

Which one do you really believe is more effective?

If you really aren't sure or think example 1 is the more effective way to go about it I would highly recommend the next problem you have at work you go confront your boss in the same manner you have posted some of the highly caustic remarks you've posted to these forums and see how that works out for you. On the bright side you will have plenty of time to play either this game or another game as you will very quickly find yourself unemployed because in the real world this is not how you handle your problems, concerns, or gripes against anything.

Edited by stoph, 30 November 2012 - 07:48 PM.

[Accurs3D]

I've played alphas with more content and better balance. Step it up. Where'd those millions of dollars go? Surely they went towards development right?

Probably not.