117 replies to this topic

[cmopatrick]

an urbie is just an overgrown r2d2 with a gun. don't personally want it, but have no problem with the rest of you getting them... as long as they give us a reasonable set of maps and such first.

please don't tell me it's beta, either... in beta we test: when was the last time any of us actually tested anything without getting a match worth of chat abuse for our efforts... not to mention having to repeat the tests several times because cooperation is not what we have any option for?

as for bots, i think they got nerfed with the new econ, along with anyone who actually scouts (said from experience).

[Kai Allard-Liao]

cmopatrick, on 29 December 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

an urbie is just an overgrown r2d2 with a gun. don't personally want it, but have no problem with the rest of you getting them... as long as they give us a reasonable set of maps and such first.

please don't tell me it's beta, either... in beta we test: when was the last time any of us actually tested anything without getting a match worth of chat abuse for our efforts... not to mention having to repeat the tests several times because cooperation is not what we have any option for?

as for bots, i think they got nerfed with the new econ, along with anyone who actually scouts (said from experience).

I'd agree with you on this. Yeah it'd be fun to have an urbie, I'd pilot one just for kicks and giggles. I would much rather have new maps and such first, just like you. And I agree there's very little testing anymore, but to be honest I haven't had any crashes lately. Now about that lag for the autocannons....

[BrewnIx]

Really cheating and aimbots. i would have thought since this is open beta the DEV's are watching every inch of data.Kind of like let the hackers do there stuff,then watch PGI crush and smash em later when the game comes out in full...They already have a list and there checking it twice.In all seriousness i personally can't tell who's cheating and who's not, i die all the same,And have too much attention to my heat and surroundings and trying to land that little circle on a target to fire on while in the circle of death dance with the enemy.I have heard of people one shoting and stuff and i have seen myself die out of nowhere with my armor still intact.I thought it was just lag myself. But ill keep a EYE on it

Edited by BrewnIx, 30 December 2012 - 08:38 PM.

[Orzorn]

Suicidal *****, on 26 December 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Wow, that post certainly brought the Urbie Fan club out.

I look forward to seeing what all the fuss is about. So far, to me it looks like an underpowered gun turret.

Well, the way I see it, the Urbie would be shorter than a Jenner and a bit larger than a Commando, so it would be shorter than most buildings and hills. With jump jets, you could get in to some nice ambush locations.

Put an AC/20 on the sucker (nobody plays stock mechs these days anyways) and you could cause some serious damage. Don't forget that they have pretty small arms, about the size of a Raven's, so they would be difficult to blow off, especially what with its can shaped body. It could torso twist to hell and back to keep the AC/20 alive.

[aNiteOwl]

This is the first I've heard of suicide farmers... I've died within a minute lots of times... I've gone out of bounds. Run towards the enemy (alone)... and other actions too stupid to believe

[Phelan Kell 83]

Congratulations Primus Of Comstar. You just officially gave every Clan player that plays MWO and was planning on playing with the Clan Omni-mechs in a year or two the worst reason imagineable out of every possible reason you could have given us to boycott MWO and then tell all our Clan buddies to boycott MWO.

Primus Of Comstar do me a favor please. Go do some research, and find out whether most of the players who are disconnecting before being killed are Clanners or Inner Sphere players. I will tell you right now Primus that I know for a fact that around 80% of the players who are disconnecting before being killed are doing it for the same reason that I have been doing it. We Clanners believe in honorable combat/Zellbrigen, so much so, that we would rather commit suicide then allow a dishonorable warrior/warriors the honor/priviledge of killing us.

If you do some research Primus you will see that 8 out of 10 of the MWO players who are disconnecting before being killed, we aren't doing it for money or experience or for our stats, we are doing it cuz the Inner Sphere players are fighting like Dezgra, they are ganging up on a enemy mech 5 on 1 or they are mass LRM barraging Commandos or using other dishonorable fighting tactics.

"You are a pitiful coward Major Adam Steiner! Trial or no trial, I will not dishonor myself by wasting ammunition on you!" - Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus

Now then, if you were to do some research Primus, you would also realize that in the very few instances where the opposing teams have fought honorably and they have honored Zellbrigen, we Clan players have not only fought to the death without ever disconnecting, but additionally, We Clan MWO players actually salute whatever opponent defeats us in all chat whenever we are defeated honorably. If we Clan MWO players are defeated honorably, we say things in all chat like, "I salute your skill!", or, "You just showed everyone on the battlefield who is the better mechwarrior, it is you!"

Way to go Primus, way to alienate pretty much every Clan player in the battletech community. I will be sure to tell all my Clan gaming buddies that I play Classic Battletech with to read your post. You pretty much just guaranteed that a sizeable portion of the Battletech Community will want nothing to do with MWO. First you MWO moderators say you are still considering implementing 3rd person view in the game after pretty much everyone in your poll told you they didn't want 3rd person view added, now you post something which is guaranteed to alienate pretty much the entire Clan player base, tell me something MWO moderators, you do want to make money right?

[Xmador]

Phelan Kell 83, on 02 January 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Congratulations Primus Of Comstar. You just officially gave every Clan player that plays MWO and was planning on playing with the Clan Omni-mechs in a year or two the worst reason imagineable out of every possible reason you could have given us to boycott MWO and then tell all our Clan buddies to boycott MWO.

Primus Of Comstar do me a favor please. Go do some research, and find out whether most of the players who are disconnecting before being killed are Clanners or Inner Sphere players. I will tell you right now Primus that I know for a fact that around 80% of the players who are disconnecting before being killed are doing it for the same reason that I have been doing it. We Clanners believe in honorable combat/Zellbrigen, so much so, that we would rather commit suicide then allow a dishonorable warrior/warriors the honor/priviledge of killing us.

If you do some research Primus you will see that 8 out of 10 of the MWO players who are disconnecting before being killed, we aren't doing it for money or experience or for our stats, we are doing it cuz the Inner Sphere players are fighting like Dezgra, they are ganging up on a enemy mech 5 on 1 or they are mass LRM barraging Commandos or using other dishonorable fighting tactics.

"You are a pitiful coward Major Adam Steiner! Trial or no trial, I will not dishonor myself by wasting ammunition on you!" - Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus

Now then, if you were to do some research Primus, you would also realize that in the very few instances where the opposing teams have fought honorably and they have honored Zellbrigen, we Clan players have not only fought to the death without ever disconnecting, but additionally, We Clan MWO players actually salute whatever opponent defeats us in all chat whenever we are defeated honorably. If we Clan MWO players are defeated honorably, we say things in all chat like, "I salute your skill!", or, "You just showed everyone on the battlefield who is the better mechwarrior, it is you!"

Way to go Primus, way to alienate pretty much every Clan player in the battletech community. I will be sure to tell all my Clan gaming buddies that I play Classic Battletech with to read your post. You pretty much just guaranteed that a sizeable portion of the Battletech Community will want nothing to do with MWO. First you MWO moderators say you are still considering implementing 3rd person view in the game after pretty much everyone in your poll told you they didn't want 3rd person view added, now you post something which is guaranteed to alienate pretty much the entire Clan player base, tell me something MWO moderators, you do want to make money right?

You do realize there are NO clan players in this game yet? Using some nonexistant clan BS as an excuse to disconnect before being killed by legitimate IS tactics is pathetic. And by the way, Clans didn't even have the option to "disconnect" when faced with tactics deemed dishonorable. They just died like everyone else, like you should in the game. You don't like it? Find another game as this one will be better without you

Edited by Xmador, 02 January 2013 - 12:31 PM.

[Jaynestown]

If you're trying to RP killing yourself instead of ejecting before your mech explodes, then shouldn't you have to roll a new account every time you die? So, you ALT+F4 out, you get banned, and you make a new Mechwarrior. I don't understand what the problem is. It sounds like that should work perfectly for you.

Hey, Phelan Kell 84, what ever happened to Phelan Kell 83?
"Phelan Kell 83? Yeah, that guy stabbed himself in the heart because he couldn't fight two IS pilots at once. OH ****, LRM'S!" <seppuku>
"Hey, my name is Phelan Kell 85. Looking for a good lance to drop with in my trial mech."

[Dr B00t]

wow....what started as a lighthearted attempt by the OP to explain the situation (which i applaud) has somehow set you off...dont worry...i think your mom is calling from upstairs w/ those fancy pizza rolls you so enjoy...u sound a bit cranky to me

Edited by Niko Snow, 02 January 2013 - 05:55 PM.
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[Archangelwlf]

I thought clan mechwarriors went into insurmountable odds to prove how great a warrior they were. or maybe all the books were wrong.

[GenDread]

it was very common for a Clan Star <5 mechs> to take on 2 lances of IS mechs... killing yourself before you get killed is very dishonorable' in fact... Most clanners would say it was cowardice to even eject. Soooo if your gonna RP at least get your Clan Facts straight

[Phelan Kell 83]

You guys are making yourselves look like complete idiots when you make these comments about the Clans, the clans fighting one star vs two lances of inner sphere mechs has absolutely nothing to do with them proving how great of warriors they are. No matter how the odds are stacked, Zellbrigen states that Clan fighting should only be 1 on 1 combat and that a Clan Warrior can not engage any target that is already engaged unless that opponent violates Zellbrigen first. Even in Clan Trials Of Position, the person undergoing the Trial Of Position fights one opponent at a time, if he shoots a second mech even by accident, he automatically loses the trial. If you must know, the reason the Clans bid lesser amounts of forces has absolutely nothing to do with proving what badasses they are, Clanners believe in doing whats in the best interest of the entire Clan as a whole, Clanners never think of doing whats in their personal best interests, also, the Clans do not believe in wasting valuable resources when they don't have to, the Clans are very resource conscious. Additionally, the reason why Clan units do not suicide when Inner Sphere forces violate Zellbrigen and fight dishonorably, is because when Inner Sphere forces have the audacity/stupidity to violate Zellbrigen in battle, we Clanners immediately deploy everything we have into the fight to massacre the Dezgra and make an example out of them, or in rare instances such as EDO TURTLE BAY and ROMULUS, we actually go a step further, we evacuate our forces from the planet, and we bombard the planet from orbit with our Warships and we turn the entire planet into radioactive rubble till its rivers and oceans boil and no life will be able to inhabit that world for hundreds of years, we turn the whole planet into chernobyl to make an example out of that planets populace for the rest of the Inner Sphere to see.

Now then, in the only victories or draws/ties that the Inner Sphere accomplished against the Clans, most notably Tukaiyadd, and even on Tukaiyadd Clan Wolf still successfully took both their objectives, those Comstar/Inner Sphere forces who won their battles were wise enough to declare Trials/Batchalls before the battle even began, and, after battle commenced, they Honored Zellbrigen, and so as a result of the fact that they honored Zellbrigen, the Inner Sphere/Comstar forces had a legitamate chance to win, and they just so happened to win the battles. There was one Comstar Army however, I forget what army it was, which was foolish/arrogant enough to violate Zellbrigen on Tukaiyadd, and, well, lemme put it to you this way, the Comstar Commander who violated Zellbrigen on Tukaiyadd, after he realized he had brought the opposing Clans wrath down on his army, and he realized that the enemy Clan force was going to make an example out of his army, he opened communications with the enemy Clan Commander and he said, "I was the one who ordered my men to violate Zellbrigen, I beg of you, spare my men and let them live, if you want you can do whatever you want with me.", and the Clan Commander immediately responded by saying "NEG! THEY WILL ALL DIE!" and the Comstar commander who was completely shocked asked, "Why? Why are you going to kill them? They were just obeying my orders." and the Clan Commander responded "BECAUSE YOU ASKED US TO SPARE THEM!". The best two examples of what I am saying are the battle of Coventry and the battle of Wolcott, on Coventry the battle quickly got out of hand and turned into a stalemate due to the fact that the Fed-Com Commander was foolish enough to fire Arrow IV artillery against Clan Omni-mechs before they had even engaged anybody, the Jade Falcon Commander responded by throwing everything she had at her disposal onto the planet and by bringing her own artillery into the fight due to the fact that the Fed-Com forces on Coventry were stupid enough to violate Zellbrigen by using artillery. Later after Prince Victor Steiner Davion finally arrived on Coventry, he gave Clan Jade Falcon the right to leave Coventry by granting the Jade Falcons "HEGIRA". If Prince Victor hadn't granted HEGIRA, the fight would have gone on for several months. At Wolcott, The Draconis Combine intelligently used a Batchall and Zellbrigen to win the battle.

Now then, if you must know why I am disconnecting, and not fighting to my last breath against the Dezgra I fight, it is because unlike the Paper Battletech games that I play, I don't have the luxory of bringing an entire Galaxy worth of Clan Omnimechs/Omnifighters/Elementals/Protomechs onworld when the Inner Sphere Dezgra I am fighting are foolish enough to violate Zellbrigen and they force me to make an example out of them.

Oh just so you guys know, I have given my Wife my MWO account. I plan on possibly coming back to MWO when the Clans are added. If you guys see Phelan Kell 83 in game it is more than likely my wife playing.

Edited by Phelan Kell 83, 02 January 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[Notick]

Phelan Kell 83, on 02 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Oh just so you guys know, I have given my Wife my MWO account. I plan on possibly coming back to MWO when the Clans are added. If you guys see Phelan Kell 83 in game it is more than likely my wife playing.

Good cover! Glad to have this straightened up.

[Suicidal Idiot]

Let me get this straight... You abandon your teammates when the going gets tough, because you can't bring an entire galaxy worth of hardware to sterilize the planet?

Am I missing something? I'm really confused, here. I guess I'm really IS because you've utterly lost me. I can't see the difference between the super honorable course laid out above and ...

Never mind. If I can't understand it after reading that wall of text, I'll have to get it explained to be by someone really, really patient with people as slow as myself.

Oh well. I hope your wife hangs in if she drops on my side.

Thanks anyway for at least making the good faith effort to help grunts like me understand, even if it was casting pearls before swine. Good luck with, um, whatever it is you're going to be doing...

[Kisumi]

Phelan Kell 83, on 02 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

You guys are making yourselves look like complete idiots when you make these comments about the Clans, the clans fighting one star vs two lances of inner sphere mechs has absolutely nothing to do with them proving how great of warriors they are. No matter how the odds are stacked, Zellbrigen states that Clan fighting should only be 1 on 1 combat and that a Clan Warrior can not engage any target that is already engaged unless that opponent violates Zellbrigen first. Even in Clan Trials Of Position, the person undergoing the Trial Of Position fights one opponent at a time, if he shoots a second mech even by accident, he automatically loses the trial. If you must know, the reason the Clans bid lesser amounts of forces has absolutely nothing to do with proving what badasses they are, Clanners believe in doing whats in the best interest of the entire Clan as a whole, Clanners never think of doing whats in their personal best interests, also, the Clans do not believe in wasting valuable resources when they don't have to, the Clans are very resource conscious. Additionally, the reason why Clan units do not suicide when Inner Sphere forces violate Zellbrigen and fight dishonorably, is because when Inner Sphere forces have the audacity/stupidity to violate Zellbrigen in battle, we Clanners immediately deploy everything we have into the fight to massacre the Dezgra and make an example out of them, or in rare instances such as EDO TURTLE BAY and ROMULUS, we actually go a step further, we evacuate our forces from the planet, and we bombard the planet from orbit with our Warships and we turn the entire planet into radioactive rubble till its rivers and oceans boil and no life will be able to inhabit that world for hundreds of years, we turn the whole planet into chernobyl to make an example out of that planets populace for the rest of the Inner Sphere to see.

Now then, in the only victories or draws/ties that the Inner Sphere accomplished against the Clans, most notably Tukaiyadd, and even on Tukaiyadd Clan Wolf still successfully took both their objectives, those Comstar/Inner Sphere forces who won their battles were wise enough to declare Trials/Batchalls before the battle even began, and, after battle commenced, they Honored Zellbrigen, and so as a result of the fact that they honored Zellbrigen, the Inner Sphere/Comstar forces had a legitamate chance to win, and they just so happened to win the battles. There was one Comstar Army however, I forget what army it was, which was foolish/arrogant enough to violate Zellbrigen on Tukaiyadd, and, well, lemme put it to you this way, the Comstar Commander who violated Zellbrigen on Tukaiyadd, after he realized he had brought the opposing Clans wrath down on his army, and he realized that the enemy Clan force was going to make an example out of his army, he opened communications with the enemy Clan Commander and he said, "I was the one who ordered my men to violate Zellbrigen, I beg of you, spare my men and let them live, if you want you can do whatever you want with me.", and the Clan Commander immediately responded by saying "NEG! THEY WILL ALL DIE!" and the Comstar commander who was completely shocked asked, "Why? Why are you going to kill them? They were just obeying my orders." and the Clan Commander responded "BECAUSE YOU ASKED US TO SPARE THEM!". The best two examples of what I am saying are the battle of Coventry and the battle of Wolcott, on Coventry the battle quickly got out of hand and turned into a stalemate due to the fact that the Fed-Com Commander was foolish enough to fire Arrow IV artillery against Clan Omni-mechs before they had even engaged anybody, the Jade Falcon Commander responded by throwing everything she had at her disposal onto the planet and by bringing her own artillery into the fight due to the fact that the Fed-Com forces on Coventry were stupid enough to violate Zellbrigen by using artillery. Later after Prince Victor Steiner Davion finally arrived on Coventry, he gave Clan Jade Falcon the right to leave Coventry by granting the Jade Falcons "HEGIRA". If Prince Victor hadn't granted HEGIRA, the fight would have gone on for several months. At Wolcott, The Draconis Combine intelligently used a Batchall and Zellbrigen to win the battle.

Now then, if you must know why I am disconnecting, and not fighting to my last breath against the Dezgra I fight, it is because unlike the Paper Battletech games that I play, I don't have the luxory of bringing an entire Galaxy worth of Clan Omnimechs/Omnifighters/Elementals/Protomechs onworld when the Inner Sphere Dezgra I am fighting are foolish enough to violate Zellbrigen and they force me to make an example out of them.

Oh just so you guys know, I have given my Wife my MWO account. I plan on possibly coming back to MWO when the Clans are added. If you guys see Phelan Kell 83 in game it is more than likely my wife playing.

Ever heard of Grand Melee? Heck, you didnt even issue a batchall! Also, this is Beta...Clan does not exist yet, neither is your clan mechs and traditions. Heck, you even given yourself a name that no one recognises! Was there a trial for your bloodname????? Highly doubt it. So please do not go about brining in clan traditions before its implemented.

Its Dezgra to suicide in the middle of combat.

Cheers.

Your lowly mechwarrior, Kisumi Inagazhi

[Brynstar]

Great comedy in this thread. Thanks Phalen!

Now then (you see what I did...), read this:

http://en.wikipedia....93Kruger_effect

Edited by Brynstar, 03 January 2013 - 08:48 AM.

[William McNab]

"Even in Clan Trials Of Position, the person undergoing the Trial Of Position fights one opponent at a time, if he shoots a second mech even by accident, he automatically loses the trial."

Wrong - he opens the trial to open combat where anyone can fire at anyone - read the Clan Jade Falcon Books.


"the reason the Clans bid lesser amounts of forces has absolutely nothing to do with proving what badasses they are" - CORRECT.
"Clanners believe in doing whats in the best interest of the entire Clan as a whole" - Wrong. Clanners believe in doing what ever they can to get their legacy passed on to the next generation. The tactic of clan bidding was to conserve the limited resources that General Kerensky and his decendants had after leaving the IS.

"The reason why Clan units do not suicide when Inner Sphere forces violate Zellbrigen and fight dishonorably, is because when Inner Sphere forces have the audacity/stupidity to violate Zellbrigen in battle, we Clanners immediately deploy everything we have into the fight to massacre the Dezgra and make an example out of them"

Clanners at the most will bring in the back up forces used in the initial bidding which is also a loss of honour. The only time the Clans ever bring "everything" into the fight is when the planet will not declare defending forces in the batchall, and there are no other clans to bid against. Very rare.

"in rare instances such as EDO TURTLE BAY and ROMULUS, we actually go a step further, we evacuate our forces from the planet, and we bombard the planet from orbit with our Warships"

The razing of Turtle Bay took place because the civilian population rose up against the military units of the Clans. This resulted in the clan Smoke Jag considering the civilian population as military targets and allowed the destruction of the city where the riots were taking place. No more, no less.


And now I realise that I spent all this time putting togehter this response, only to note that you are no longer playing and I wasted my time in trying to improve your quasi knowledge of B-Tech and Clan Lore.

sigh.

[William McNab]

Garth Erlam, on 03 December 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

One day...

SUPER URBIE!!!!! WOOT!!!

[Metalfyre]

ElLocoMarko, on 06 December 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Should I report zombie players? They never move, do not show as disconnected...

If someone crashes out, it shows them as "disconnected" correct?

A pessimist would say that they are just launching, minimizing and watching youtubes.
An optimist would claim a game bug, but I don't know of any that cause a connected fully immobilized player.

What causes zombies?

Something like this happened to me before; no HUD, mech did not want to move either. Much later into the match, my mech finally started moving, but I still did not have my HUD, no grid etc. My dead team mates had to tell me 'turn left', and who to shoot...or not to shoot (Wait don't shoot that, that's one of ours.) Shift + F12 did not work.

Another time my mech stopped responding about 2 minutes into the game; I was at full throttle and ran straight into the enemy.

I suppose there are still a variety of bugs lying about, so separating the genuine from the deliberate is pretty tricky.

[BruteLeo]

no room for cheaters