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[Pr8Dator]

A lot of talk recently about Ilya Muromet is P2W due to the possibility of a triple gauss setup. Think triple gauss is OP???? LOL! To carry the weight of 3 gauss rifles (15 tons each! and at least 6 tons of ammo to make it realistic so you are carrying 51 tons of weapons in a 70 ton mech! how much room is left for armor and engine???), the balancing is the amount of armor you actually need to strip and that you are putting on a time bomb on your arms and torso! Any critical hit to these areas will set off an explosion on the gauss rifle that kills you! You don't know that gauss rifles EXPLODE??? that's the balancing. Also, since the gauss are set on both arms and low in the torso, this means that you need to be fully exposed in order to fire all 3 at an enemy. This means no shooting from cover. This along with the weak armor and the exploding gauss makes it extremely vulnerable, i.e, a glass cannon and just a fun mech setup without any serious combat effectiveness. Anyone who can play this mech well is a player with skill. Don't believe? Try it yourself tomorrow.

[anonymous175]

LOL

[Naeron66]

Just need to point out that you don't need to fire all your weapons at once so firing 2 will be possible without fully exposing the mech.

But yes, a 3 Gauss Ilya will be a slow almost unarmoured target for everyone that sees it.

[GODzillaGSPB]

Triple Gaussphract is a joke. It will either sport paper-thin armor, will be the slowest mech ever or have serious ammunition-problems.

What's more: Once the gaussrifle changes are in it will the biggest walking raw egg ever called a Battlemech. xD

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

Yeah, you'd be better off with a dual ac/20 cat for 5 less damage and a lot more speed and armor.

[Deadoon]

The triple gauss load for that thing is paper thin, I could core it with my other phracts at the same range in half the time. It is the ultimate glass cannon though.

[Mister Haha]

Zeno Scarborough, on 02 December 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

LOL

LOL

[Zero Neutral]

Since the Ilya has the same limitations as any other mech, I don't believe it will be OP P2W material.

[Pr8Dator]

I am glad most people understand this... just hope those who kept saying Ilya Muromets is pay to win sees this thread.

[anonymous175]

Mister Haha, on 02 December 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

LOL

LOL

[MrPenguin]

I want to put 2 AC/5's and an AC/10 in it.

[verybad]

Might be useful in some situations as a sniper, so long as the driver is very cautious (in order to get first shots in any exchange) but it woudl be torn up by pretty much any other mech in a brawl. It wouldn't be able to get back to cover fast enough if LRMs are flying back and forth, and it is unlikely to work well for the unskilled players that consistently flock to optimized builds.

I think any players that do well in this sort of build will have to be good to begin with. Both patient and careful.

[Sevaradan]

Mister Haha, on 02 December 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

LOL

LOL

[Monky]

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I want to put 2 AC/5's and an AC/10 in it.

Good news! It comes with them stock!

I'm not overly worried about the Gauss build, but I think it will surprise people in its effectiveness (I believe it is being underestimated, although not ridiculously so).

My real issue is with the triple UAC5 +3 medium lasers that goes no slower than a 4X, with full armor and heat efficiency and good ammo and AMS and and and and you get the point. UAC5 are amazing right now if you time the dual shot for when the burst damage is actually applicable, and the more you have the more reliable they get as you reach a point where there's almost no downtime. On top of that, this is the first mech to mount 3 of them, even the 4x doesn't have enough crits in the arms to do so.

Edited by Monky, 02 December 2012 - 03:26 PM.

[RedDragon]

Well I built a 2-Gauss Cataphract with 2 Medium Lasers as backup. It's a good mech with full armor but only 50 km/h (with speed tweak). I really have no idea where the additional 15 tons should come from. It already has Endosteel, and Ferro won't fit. It has about 12 tons of armor, so even with no armor at all and without both lasers it wouldn't fit. You could go down with the engine, but even the smallest one would bring 8 tons (could you even move with something like this??), and then you'd still need about five tons less armor to carry some ammo with your Gauss (which also would be spent more rapidly). So all in all it would be possible but one would have to be quite insane to use such a build. It has nearly no tactical value.
Does Endosteel even fit when you carry 3 Gauss+ammo?

[Redshift2k5]

The CTF-IM will no doubt be a dangerous mech.

Dangerous enough to be P2W? We'll see.

But keep in mind just because a CTF-IM in the hands of the right pilot dominates a match doesn't mean it's P2W; Good pilots in any mech can turn a whole match around. Just because one kills you doesn't mean you can immediately start QQing over it.

[Pr8Dator]

RedDragon, on 02 December 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Well I built a 2-Gauss Cataphract with 2 Medium Lasers as backup. It's a good mech with full armor but only 50 km/h (with speed tweak). I really have no idea where the additional 15 tons should come from. It already has Endosteel, and Ferro won't fit. It has about 12 tons of armor, so even with no armor at all and without both lasers it wouldn't fit. You could go down with the engine, but even the smallest one would bring 8 tons (could you even move with something like this??), and then you'd still need about five tons less armor to carry some ammo with your Gauss (which also would be spent more rapidly). So all in all it would be possible but one would have to be quite insane to use such a build. It has nearly no tactical value.
Does Endosteel even fit when you carry 3 Gauss+ammo?

EXACTLY SO BUDDY!!! That's why its just a fun build for anyone who manages to put one together and not only is it not P2W and not OP, its actually a ridiculously lousy build that gets one shot by a volley of LRM! LOL!

Redshift2k5, on 02 December 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

The CTF-IM will no doubt be a dangerous mech.

Dangerous enough to be P2W? We'll see.

But keep in mind just because a CTF-IM in the hands of the right pilot dominates a match doesn't mean it's P2W; Good pilots in any mech can turn a whole match around. Just because one kills you doesn't mean you can immediately start QQing over it.

Exactly right! And also that new mechs tend to get alot of use, getting killed by one often doesn't prove its OP as well, just proves that its more popular.

[aspect]

We already had this thead.

http://mwomercs.com/...d-only-reality/

[Pr8Dator]

aspect, on 02 December 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

We already had this thead.

http://mwomercs.com/...d-only-reality/

Yes, I just want to present it in a more "in your face" way telling those who are skeptical that its definitely not P2W.

[Mister Haha]

Sevaradan, on 02 December 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

LOL

LOL