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[LethalMezzle]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Pay to win...

getting an advantage based on providing funds for those items not obtainable via grindage.

Simple as that....

can i get the same via grindage?

No arguement to that definition...

I hardly think moving incredibly slow, having practically no armour and having a high chance of exploding when shot classifies as 'an advantage'.

Edited by LethalMezzle, 02 December 2012 - 08:08 PM.

[Pr8Dator]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Pay to win... getting an advantage based on providing funds for those items not obtainable via grindage. Simple as that.... can i get the same via grindage? No arguement to that definition...

HAHAHAH VERY INTERESTING DEFINITION!!!!

So if tomorrow, they release a hero mech that is paper thin with no combat capability but with fanciful decals you cant get elsewhere available only by paying, that's paying to win? WOW! And oh, I am SOOOO Paying to Win because my mech's painted with paint you can only buy using money and not by grinding!!!! YEAH!

At least I learnt something today, thanks alot buddy! I am so noobish and I have so much to learn from great people like yourself (no sarcarsm!).

Edited by Pr8Dator, 02 December 2012 - 08:10 PM.

[Pr8Dator]

LethalMezzle, on 02 December 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I hardly think moving incredibly slow, having practically no armour and having a high chance of exploding when shot classifies as 'an advantage'.

No No No, it IS pay to win! Cos he said as long as you cannot buy something by grinding, it is pay to win! We need to respect his definition! Remember your pay to win coat of paint? Gosh, you are sooooo paid to win! No wonder you are enjoying the game! hehehehe

Edited by Pr8Dator, 02 December 2012 - 08:13 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I believe the term Pay-2-Win means that it confers, not "an advantage," but rather "an over-all advantage."

I use the Free-2-Lose system all the time, with my horribly overheated PPC boat builds with slow engines and thin armor... but sometimes I do well and top a chart. It'll happen sometime to every build conceivable.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 02 December 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[TwoFaced]

Hey, everyone argued with me months ago....you only pay for cosmetic and mech bays...hula gurls.....paint jobs...

This is a frame with extra canon slot...

This is not for looks.....make fun of me if you want, but it is as I said it would be months ago. First step to P2W..this is only first step...

In a true team play enviornmant, this will be deadly. brawlers up front, reign of fire from behind. Sure yah, maybe slow and paper thin armor, but if used by teams....well do I need to explain. This isnt 1 vs 1..this 4 v 4 and 8 v 8. I remember getting popped 2 or 3 times sitting in spawn on game start by guass fire. So sure give me more excuses, but this isnt just for looks anymore, it has now went to p2w environment when they release this.

[Pr8Dator]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Hey, everyone argued with me months ago....you only pay for cosmetic and mech bays...hula gurls.....paint jobs...

This is a frame with extra canon slot...

This is not for looks.....make fun of me if you want, but it is as I said it would be months ago. First step to P2W..this is only first step...

In a true team play enviornmant, this will be deadly. brawlers up front, reign of fire from behind. Sure yah, maybe slow and paper thin armor, but if used by teams....well do I need to explain. This isnt 1 vs 1..this 4 v 4 and 8 v 8. I remember getting popped 2 or 3 times sitting in spawn on game start by guass fire. So sure give me more excuses, but this isnt just for looks anymore, it has now went to p2w environment when they release this.

I wasn't making fun of you bro, I am just respecting your definition. Seriously, since I pay and will continue to pay, that "direction" don't really worry me. I'll just keep having fun.

[MrPenguin]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Hey, everyone argued with me months ago....you only pay for cosmetic and mech bays...hula gurls.....paint jobs...

This is a frame with extra canon slot...

This is not for looks.....make fun of me if you want, but it is as I said it would be months ago. First step to P2W..this is only first step...

In a true team play enviornmant, this will be deadly. brawlers up front, reign of fire from behind. Sure yah, maybe slow and paper thin armor, but if used by teams....well do I need to explain. This isnt 1 vs 1..this 4 v 4 and 8 v 8. I remember getting popped 2 or 3 times sitting in spawn on game start by guass fire. So sure give me more excuses, but this isnt just for looks anymore, it has now went to p2w environment when they release this.

Its got a slot less then the X4 which is the cheapest cataphract. What the hell are you going on about? lol

[Pr8Dator]

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Its got a slot less then the X4 which is the cheapest cataphract. What the hell are you going on about? lol

He conveniently forgot the ENDLESS OP teamwork you can do with the existing grindable mechs too hehehehe oh well... Confirmation Bias at its best! My finance professor should have this as a case study!

[TwoFaced]

LOL, dont get me wrong, once bugs are worked out (if they are ever worked out) I will start funneling cash into the game. Just see no purpose atm, and I dont mind p2w games, hell eve online for 5 years, knights online for 4, wow for 15 minutes....so sure fix the problems I will be happy to throw cash at the game.

But my point is, this isnt cosmetic....once u cross the line to getting advantage, any advantage it becomes p2w, if you can not get the same thing via normal grind.

[Hawkwings]

I'm going to laugh so hard when people start whining about getting one-shotted by triple gaussaphracts and demanding that they be nerfed.

[MrPenguin]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

LOL, dont get me wrong, once bugs are worked out (if they are ever worked out) I will start funneling cash into the game. Just see no purpose atm, and I dont mind p2w games, hell eve online for 5 years, knights online for 4, wow for 15 minutes....so sure fix the problems I will be happy to throw cash at the game.

But my point is, this isnt cosmetic....once u cross the line to getting advantage, any advantage it becomes p2w, if you can not get the same thing via normal grind.

Did you miss the part where we called you out on your miss-information are did you just flat out ignore it?

MrPenguin, on 02 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Its got a slot less then the X4 which is the cheapest cataphract. What the hell are you going on about? lol

[TwoFaced]

They are nerfing them, making guass outta glass...

Why release that statement prior to making money off the sale of new mech with extra guass....now people will think twice before buying...interesting concept of marketing, or total screw up...i think the latter.

[Pr8Dator]

Hawkwings, on 02 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I'm going to laugh so hard when people start whining about getting one-shotted by triple gaussaphracts and demanding that they be nerfed.

Then they should get fixed up with a triple gaussphract too! I always tell people who think something is OP to just go try it themselves. Two outcomes; 1, you find that the build is actually vulnerable as hell and that people who are winning with it has really played it long and hard to figure out the proper tactics or that it is just a new mech and having many people using it gives the impression that you are being killed by it over and over leading to an OP opinion. 2, it IS OP and you have a blast of a time. Both outcomes are good.

[MrPenguin]

TwoFaced, on 02 December 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

They are nerfing them, making guass outta glass...

Why release that statement prior to making money off the sale of new mech with extra guass....now people will think twice before buying...interesting concept of marketing, or total screw up...i think the latter.

Il take that as a yes.

[Col Forbin]

xenoglyph, on 02 December 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

I agree it's not really P2W territory yet, but it's getting there. Some of us here are angry because from the start PGI told us we'd be able to grind for everything. Obviously that isn't the case anymore. Having certain hardpoint configurations as pay only is lame and unnecessary.

I think they would sell just as many if they had a regular one with the same hardpoints, and a "Hero" one with a special paint job and C-Bill bonus.

You're right. Paying money shouldn't get you anything worthwhile. Why don't you look at it from the perspective of people actually willing to shell out cash to the developers?

For the record: PGI never said that.

[Pr8Dator]

Col Forbin, on 02 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

You're right. Paying money shouldn't get you anything worthwhile. Why don't you look at it from the perspective of people actually willing to shell out cash to the developers?

For the record: PGI never said that.

Cos he thinks the Devs run on photosynthesis and our money came with the rain! That the whole world revolves around silly people making games enjoyable for people who neither have to work for it nor pay for it! LOL! nothing worthwhile should ever be purchased with money! HAHAHAH (gosh, I wished that kind of world exist. Seriously!)

Edited by Pr8Dator, 02 December 2012 - 08:49 PM.

[Deedsie]

45 tons of Gauss Rifle, 7 tons of structure, 3 tons of cockpit. You're then working with 15 tons for engine, armor, ammo, and additional heat sinks to get you up to the required 10, because you are NOT going to have a 250 on there. 18.5 tons if you try Endo Steel.

[dF0X]

Monky, on 02 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Good news! It comes with them stock!

I'm not overly worried about the Gauss build, but I think it will surprise people in its effectiveness (I believe it is being underestimated, although not ridiculously so).

My real issue is with the triple UAC5 +3 medium lasers that goes no slower than a 4X, with full armor and heat efficiency and good ammo and AMS and and and and you get the point. UAC5 are amazing right now if you time the dual shot for when the burst damage is actually applicable, and the more you have the more reliable they get as you reach a point where there's almost no downtime. On top of that, this is the first mech to mount 3 of them, even the 4x doesn't have enough crits in the arms to do so.

Dual is never a good idea on the UAC5 currently. Even the burst doesn't cut it.

[aspect]

We already had this thread.

http://mwomercs.com/...d-only-reality/

[Biruke]

3 gauss? Ok. I buy it, sell the gauss, buy three nice UAC5 and enjoy the game. My current CTH has only 2 UAC5 and it's already pretty deadly. It will be sold out as soon as I get the IM.

Edited by Biruke, 02 December 2012 - 10:00 PM.