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[Axehold]

Im just curious now that ECM is (almost) here, how many people will be switching back to regular LRMs over Artemis LRMs

Im pretty much an LRM-boat-exclusive player and Artemis has damned near saved my bacon up until now... But I'm concerned that the "ooo-new/shiny-toy" factor will mean everyone and their red-headed step child will be running around with ECMs... So, perhaps I'm crazy... But Im considering going back to regular ammo...

I run the Atlas DC, with 3 Launchers, and space for LRM 45 with Artemis [3 15 racks], or LRM 50 without [2 20 Racks and a 10 rack], The artemis config is 3 tons [and mega CBills] more expensive...

To me its a gambling game, the difference of 5 extra missles defiantely doesnt make up for the loss of Artemis under "normal" scenarios, but Im so scared of ECM's flooding the field that Im willing to claim this an abnormal case and "punt"

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Monky]

Artemis will probably still rock for SRM, not sure how it will play out though as artemis is not really going by tabletop, and ECM according to description may or may not be, so any ability to see how the 'rules' for it work is pretty much nil. Also - consider how you use your launchers. If you use 1 big launcher Artemis is still probably worh it (like an LRM20 or 15), but if you use a lot of smaller ones, it might be worth it to consider something else.

Edited by Monky, 04 December 2012 - 12:24 AM.

[charov]

Three concepts, nothing more:

• Teamplay
  
• ECM in Counter mode
  
• TAG

uh, and LRM are a decent secondary weapon but a poor primary weapon. Direct fire weapons are far superior.

[Timelordwho]

Axehold, on 04 December 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Im just curious now that ECM is (almost) here, how many people will be switching back to regular LRMs over Artemis LRMs

Im pretty much an LRM-boat-exclusive player and Artemis has damned near saved my bacon up until now... But I'm concerned that the "ooo-new/shiny-toy" factor will mean everyone and their red-headed step child will be running around with ECMs... So, perhaps I'm crazy... But Im considering going back to regular ammo...

I run the Atlas DC, with 3 Launchers, and space for LRM 45 with Artemis [3 15 racks], or LRM 50 without [2 20 Racks and a 10 rack], The artemis config is 3 tons [and mega CBills] more expensive...

To me its a gambling game, the difference of 5 extra missles defiantely doesnt make up for the loss of Artemis under "normal" scenarios, but Im so scared of ECM's flooding the field that Im willing to claim this an abnormal case and "punt"

Anyone else have any thoughts?

how about running LRM20+2LRM15? You save an extra ton.

[Axehold]

Timelordwho, on 04 December 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

how about running LRM20+2LRM15? You save an extra ton.

Funny I just thought about that idea, and running the numbers, not only does it does save a ton, but the DPS [damage per second] on average, is improved [very slightly, 19.15 vs 18.84] but still... So that will be my new config, assuming no artemis...

But the question still remains, Artemis or no after the patch?!? Also the specifics on ECM HAVE been realsed... targeting mechs in the bubble = double lock times, and artemis has no effect, among others

And I definately plan to have an ECM of my own set to counter... But that will only help if an ECM mech is in my grill... And still wont help targeting ECM'ed mechs beyond 180m [which considering LRM boat spec is a must]

[Asmosis]

are you on a team? if so lrm/ssrm will be fine.

are you a pug without your own ECM? drop all lrm/ssrm immediately because there will be plenty of people in teams against you with it ( quite a lot of teams wont go to 8man) and a lot of pugs with it on both sides who never bother to toggle it into counter mode.

Maybe there should be counter ECM exp rewards like scouting.

At the least drop a couple tons lrm ammo.

Edited by Asmosis, 04 December 2012 - 01:06 AM.

[Timelordwho]

You may want to look into a mixed loadout so ECM doesn't completely screw you. put some LLas and artemis LRMS, even with ECM, not all targets will be in the umbrella all the time, so arti maximizes the smaller launch windows.

Think of it like a better AMS shield.

On that mech it's a savings of 3 tons if you take it off, on an atlas you don't really need a few tons.

with lighter mechs, i think artemis is more debatable.

Edited by Timelordwho, 04 December 2012 - 01:23 AM.

[SineCurve]

Artemis shortens SSRM lock time and tightens the SRM flight pattern. That's why I use it on my non-LRM builds, ECM or not.

[Wired Aces]

SineCurve, on 04 December 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Artemis shortens SSRM lock time and tightens the SRM flight pattern. That's why I use it on my non-LRM builds, ECM or not.

Artemis has no effect at all on SSRMs. Perhaps your thinking of BAP.

[FrostCollar]

Wired Aces, on 04 December 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

Artemis has no effect at all on SSRMs. Perhaps your thinking of BAP.

Well, it shouldn't. However, I've read that if you have Artemis systems on some different launchers and equip SSRMs as well they are affected.

Zyllos, on 26 November 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

...
In reference to the 2nd issue, you can buy the Artemis Upgrade with SSRMs. As mentioned above in my post, if you equip a LRM, SRM, and SSRM launcher, buying Artemis will increase the tonnage by 3 and critical slots by 3, even though the SSRM launcher is not effected by the SSRM (they should, but we all know the locking speed is increased, but I consider this a bug, unintended behavior due to mixing the two locking systems, LRMs and SSRMs lock using the same system when they should be locking on two different systems).
...

I haven't tested this myself however.

Edited by FrostCollar, 04 December 2012 - 02:48 AM.

[SineCurve]

Wired Aces, on 04 December 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

Artemis has no effect at all on SSRMs. Perhaps your thinking of BAP.

Well, sure. Artemis does nothing for the flight pattern OR the spread of SSRMs, but I have definitely seen an improvement in SSRM lock-on times when I've equipped it. It's supposed to do this for LRMs exclusively, but right now it seems that lock-on times are reduced across the board.

[Dukov Nook]

red devil2, on 04 December 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

uh, and LRM are a decent secondary weapon but a poor primary weapon. Direct fire weapons are far superior.

:boggle:

Still haven't learned about roles yet, have you.