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[Mxxpower]

Every time I run into a trial awesome, there's some new player trying to shoot me at point blank with them...obviously unaware of the minimum range.

Of course I just stand there and take my time lining up shots while they pound away at me and overheat.

Either the min range has to go, or the PPC should be taken off any trial mech they are equiped on.

I would imagine not doing damage at point blank range would tick off a few new players.

Just sayin....since there is no possible way they could know this info in game.

[yashmack]

whats the minimum range? I know I can get pretty darn close and it still be effective and cause damage
the only time I have a problem is when im close enough that it makes my arm point another direction
Ive tested it on afk mechs and I can usually get within 10 meters and still do damage

[Taizan]

The problem is that there currently is no tool tip indicating this special behavior of the standard PPC. Changing the min range on a PPC would mostly invalidate going for an ER PPC with higher heat costs on some builds, except you want it anyway for the extra range.

yashmack, on 30 November 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

whats the minimum range? I know I can get pretty darn close and it still be effective and cause damage
the only time I have a problem is when im close enough that it makes my arm point another direction
Ive tested it on afk mechs and I can usually get within 10 meters and still do damage

Under 90m the standard PPC will not do any damage. You might see the typical effect, but there is no damage from the impact.

Edited by Taizan, 30 November 2012 - 12:41 AM.

[TSB101]

The Trial Awesome 9M has 3 ER PPC's which have no minimum range.

Though I agree with you, something has to be done with PPC's. I've spent extensive time incorporating them into my builds and with one exception they haven't had a place. In 19/20 there is another weapon that will do the job better.

I think having DHS at 2.0 would go A LONG way towards making the weapon have a place among all the ballistics and large lasers I've been seeing today.

[Teralitha]

I agree that the PPC does not need a minimum range... Whats the argument behind this anyway? to make taking ERPPC worth it? If that is the logic, then ERLarge Laser needs a minimum range too.

Taizan, on 30 November 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

The problem is that there currently is no tool tip indicating this special behavior of the standard PPC. Changing the min range on a PPC would mostly invalidate going for an ER PPC with higher heat costs on some builds, except you want it anyway for the extra range.

AHA, there it is....

Remove minimum range on PPC. I for one never use it because of that. So it has become a shelved weapon because of that 90 meter joke of a minimum range. Also, add more damage to ERPPC for those that suffer the extra heat for a little extra range. This way both weapons will be desirable.

Edited by Teralitha, 30 November 2012 - 12:47 AM.

[yashmack]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

I agree that the PPC does not need a minimum range... Whats the argument behind this anyway? to make taking ERPPC worth it? If that is the logic, then ERLarge Laser needs a minimum range too.

seems like youre under the same impression I am, I dont think the PPC has a minimum range currently, even though everyone seems to think it does...
I will find out when I get home from work and test it

Edited by yashmack, 30 November 2012 - 12:42 AM.

[Cole Allard]

NO...

PPC: 3 cases min, 18 cases max.
1 case is 30m = 90m min range on PPC is canon.

Knowing your weapons is part of being successful...or if you wanna make your forum name sound true.

And...just for you...the technology-level went up to 2, there is the ER PPC...no minimum range, extened max range...just a tick more heat.

[yashmack]

Cole Allard, on 30 November 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

NO...

PPC: 3 cases min, 18 cases max.
1 case is 30m = 90m min range on PPC is canon.

Knowing your weapons is part of being successful...or if you wanna make your forum name sound true.

And...just for you...the technology-level went up to 2, there is the ER PPC...no minimum range, extened max range...just a tick more heat.

I can tell you that using a standard PPC I have caused damage at less than 90 meters, I have caused damage at 10m with a stock non extended range PPC...
but again, I will test it when I get home, I may be mistaken or something... lol

[Teralitha]

Cole Allard, on 30 November 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

NO...

PPC: 3 cases min, 18 cases max.
1 case is 30m = 90m min range on PPC is canon.

Knowing your weapons is part of being successful...or if you wanna make your forum name sound true.

And...just for you...the technology-level went up to 2, there is the ER PPC...no minimum range, extened max range...just a tick more heat.

To ******* hell with canon

[Ace367]

Of course you guys are doing damage below 90m. Its a linear regression from 10 damage per shot at 90m to 0 damage at 0m.
Which also means at 45m, you'll be doing 5 damage.

[Teralitha]

Ace367, on 30 November 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Of course you guys are doing damage below 90m. Its a linear regression from 10 damage per shot at 90m to 0 damage at 0m.
Which also means at 45m, you'll be doing 5 damage.

Dont ya think that is a little redundant? just a little? 5 damage at 45 meters? seriously? ****

Btw I think that is wrong. From 0-90m it does zero. Just flashes the enemy paper doll and makes u think its doing something

Edited by Teralitha, 30 November 2012 - 12:54 AM.

[Mxxpower]

Im off to bed, but i can assure you, anything closer than 80m does little or no damage. I walked in to defend our base from an awesome with 3ppc's. He alpha 'd me 3 times in my awesome and only succeeded in overheating twice while my streaks whittled him down over 15 seconds.

I did take a small amount of damage, but I think that was from his medium lasers he probably shot at the same time as his ppc's.

[Ace367]

Well, if I use PPCs, I'd normally have other weapons to use at short-range, so it doesn't really matter to me.
Personally I think it makes it slightly unique compared with the ERPPC, even though it may or may not make actual sense.
(ERPPC gives you more heat, but doesn't have minimum range)

And doesn't the trial Awesome use ERPPCs instead?

Edited by Ace367, 30 November 2012 - 01:02 AM.

[Kurayami]

wait every time you run into trial awesome? do you aware that trial awesome loaded with ERPPC?

[Shiney]

There isn't a minium range, it just reduces in damage the closer they get below 90m

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

First off, below minimum range, PPC's do reduced damage up to 0 at 0 meters.

Secondly the current "Trial awesome" Runs ERPPC's which have no minimum range.

[Taizan]

Ace367, on 30 November 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Of course you guys are doing damage below 90m. Its a linear regression from 10 damage per shot at 90m to 0 damage at 0m.
Which also means at 45m, you'll be doing 5 damage.

Is it implemented that way with a linear drop off? I never had the impression that it does any damage at all under 90m,

[Wolfways]

Ace367, on 30 November 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Of course you guys are doing damage below 90m. Its a linear regression from 10 damage per shot at 90m to 0 damage at 0m.
Which also means at 45m, you'll be doing 5 damage.

This.

In CB i often killed mechs at well under 90m with only PPC's.

[Cole Allard]

Teralitha, on 30 November 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

To ******* hell with canon

Ohky...I see...

Then, saying that the PPC will get a secondary effect (EMP bziiiing when hitting enemy = lost of target lock + cockpit going "bling bling") will not interest you?!?

Ok then.

Stay into your little world, use weapons you dont understand. This is like giving an M82 to a prehistoric caveman. Yes, you point that end over there...and you pull there.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/PPC

Just in case...you actually want to read something about it. Did that sound snobbish? Sorry, wasnt my intend.

EDIT changed the M88 (thats a sort of carrier tank into M82 what make more sense )

Edited by Cole Allard, 30 November 2012 - 03:40 AM.

[Vincent Lynch]

I wrote this elsewhere before...

A PPC is, in fact, a ballistic weapon which does not require ammo, cannot explode, is way lighter than the other ballistic weapon of the same damage (or has the same weight with a more than appropriate number of DHS, IF it's your 2nd PPC), and can be mounted in mechs without ballistic slots, which is, nearly every mech (all current chassis have energy slots except the Cat-A1, and all upcoming do, except if the CN9-AH is reintroduced).

They must have SOME disadvantage versus an AC10.
Which is the minimum range in case of the PPC and the heat in case of the ERPPC.
And that's why I say if you drop one of those "canon nerfs" they would be overpowered.

The AWS-9M overheats so easily because it carries 3 ER PPCs. With 3 Standard PPCs it would be a decent Mech, as it has 20 DHS of which 12 are engine-mounted, so it has the equivalent of 35.2 single HS.