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[Asakara]

topgun505, on 04 December 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Which wasn't produced until 3072, costs 10.7 million, and is considered an Experimental design NOT a production unit because it also had Null Sig, and a Torso Mounted cockpit (none of which the mechlab will support).




True ... but that was a unique custom built unit. Not a production line mech.

Simply: Would you say the Jenner 10-X was "never ever" part of lore, or was it indeed part of lore at some point?

[Rat of the Legion Vega]

The jenner in the technical readouts is described as a high speed guerrilla fighting mech. It can still do that and many other things (base capture etc.) better than any other mech in the game.

[Tempered]

I have no problem with the jenner not getting an ecm variant, but I do think that ecm needs to be toned down just a tad.

If you combine ecm with streaks, you have the same streakapult problem you had before, but you get the additional fun of sneak attacks, denying your enemy the use of streaks and lrms, denying your enemy anything but line of sight weapons.

It seems to me that this is a problem.

As far as how the jenner fits into this, pretty much the same as always. Hit and run mech. Load up on srms and medium lasers. Try to avoid the streak ravens because you have little defense against them, except speed.

Edited by Tempered, 04 December 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[Daycrist Bloodfang]

The Jenner 10-X was an experiment made near the end of the *****. It mounted Angel ECM which was far mor refined and better system. The only reason they put Angel ECM on the Jenner was to help contend with Word of Black C3i and Narc pods which were overwhelming their slower forces. Guardian ECM was so bulky and hard to install that mechs prior to it's creation could not mount it. The Raven was actually built around the Eletronic Warfare package in order to make a mech that could actually put it to use.

Edited by Daycrist Bloodfang, 04 December 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[MouseNo4]

Most people see the introduction of the ECM package as something they cannot immediately control. And when a player cannot control the battlefield they flip out. A Jenner without ECM is a variable they cannot control so they assume the Jenner will be mothballed. Which just isn't true. The Raven was never mothballed all this time despite not having its required equipment working.

The point being, the Jenner still has its role to play for those willing to play it - just as the Raven now does. The Raven was designed from the ground up as an ECM platform. It can now perform that beautifully. However the role of the Jenner is still 100% intact as its role has always been hit and run specialist.

And damn those Jenner pilots who never forgot that fact. I hate you Jenner pilots.

[Monky]

How about you escort your ECM bearing bros since you have superior speed and firepower to chase off threats. Jenner is a fighter. Besides, within 180 meters, you benefit as well from their ECM.

Edited by Monky, 04 December 2012 - 06:49 PM.

[Xyberviri]

Quote

Angel ECM Suite is an experimental version of the Guardian ECM Suite operating on a broader spectrum and greatly advances ECM technology on the battlefield. Development of the Angel began in the Draconis Combine shortly after the Battle of Luthien, but despite assistance from ComStar, cost overruns and internal problems within both powers delayed its widespread deployment.

Type the whole dang thing why do you

[Screech]

Jenners will become much less common in the days to come. But what will really become rare will be the Raven and Commando variants without ECM. Besides going for going for exp. unlocks why play any of these at all?

ECM currently is everything and more to scout mechs. Those without are going to be slowly left behind.

[Hansh0tfirst]

Darian DelFord, on 04 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Question, scout wise what can we bring to the table that the Commando and Raven can not do better:?

Let's see... you've got more weapon hardpoints, not to mention jumpjets. You really can't think of anything to do with that spare 1.5 tons and two critical slots the other guys are sacrificing for ECM?

[Streeter]

Hansh0tfirst, on 04 December 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Let's see... you've got more weapon hardpoints, not to mention jumpjets. You really can't think of anything to do with that spare 1.5 tons and two critical slots the other guys are sacrificing for ECM?

I think (as has already been mentioned) that the 1.5 tons for ECM is unmatched by any amount of armour or weaponry you can mount and is a MASSIVE advantage. The jenner was the best light mech, now with out ECM? I too think that the jenner swarms will now become Raven swarms.

My personal interest in this is that Ill now park my final Founders mech that was any good and it can gather dust with the other crappy founders variants

[Bleary]

If the other side has three Ravens with ECM and your side has three Jenners (and the Jenner pilots can actually, you know, hit what they're shooting at) then you're going to end up with dead Ravens.

Screech, on 04 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Jenners will become much less common in the days to come. But what will really become rare will be the Raven and Commando variants without ECM. Besides going for going for exp. unlocks why play any of these at all?

ECM currently is everything and more to scout mechs. Those without are going to be slowly left behind.

Scouting is only one of the things light 'Mechs do. If you want to chase down and kill something -like an enemy Commando with ECM- then any electronics you mount are just one less gun you could've had. Which means you want a Jenner. (Or if you're being a rebel, a non-ECM Raven).

Jenners ruled the light 'Mech roost because they were good at killing things, not because they were better scouts. That's what the 'Mech is there for. That's how it will continue to be used.

Edited by Bleary, 04 December 2012 - 07:28 PM.

[hammerreborn]

Hansh0tfirst, on 04 December 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Let's see... you've got more weapon hardpoints, not to mention jumpjets. You really can't think of anything to do with that spare 1.5 tons and two critical slots the other guys are sacrificing for ECM?

We will eventually be sacrificing that 1.5 tons and 4 critical slots to have normal functioning JJs. So...nothing?

The biggest issue I see in the raven vs commando vs jenner is that the former two can streak spam the jenner while the jenner can only retaliate with lasers.

Jenners still work as excellent spotters if you either can be sneaky (since everyone can still see you 1k away) or if you stay near the ECM mech.

[Streeter]

Bleary, on 04 December 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Scouting is only one of the things light 'Mechs do. If you want to, say, chase down and kill something -like an enemy Commando with ECM- then any electronics you mount are just one less gun you could've had. Which means you want a Jenner. (Or if you're being a rebel, a non-ECM Raven).

Jenners ruled the light 'Mech roost because they were good at killing things, not because they were better scouts. That's what the 'Mech is there for. That's how it will continue to be used.

I have a commando 2d with 3 streaks and ECM, I welcome any and all Jenner "light killers" to a duel LOL

*jenner lag shield is also commando lag shield, I can hit him with streaks and he cant hit me Trololol.

[QuantumButler]

Your role is being able to kill any other mech in the game 1 on 1 because of how broken you are, except ECM ravens with streaks who will now easily murder you giving you an actual counter.

[ICEFANG13]

The RVN-3L is just as good as the Jenner, save a energy hardpoint (don't tell me that 3KPH is enough to matter), but can use ECM. 3L flocks will be the norm, and the 2X and 4X will never be used ever. Personally, I would limit all three to a 280 engine, and let all 3 use ECM. I do pilot a Jenner, and I'd understand if I'm biased, but based off what's in front of you, the 3L is really just as good, but with ECM and not a laser.

[major humdinger]

the role of a good jenner now is to go use its 6 med laser package and destory the ecm lights. plus dont forget if u know the weapon layout of the light with ecm and it has streak just take out that part first. they go down easy.

[Streeter]

QuantumButler, on 04 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Your role is being able to kill any other mech in the game 1 on 1 because of how broken you are, except ECM ravens with streaks who will now easily murder you giving you an actual counter.

I think you forgot to mention it will also murder any jenner aswell. which was kind of my whole point. Everyone is jumping up and down saying the Jenner is OP and shouldnt have ECM... just wait for those Raven swarms LOL

[Streeter]

major humdinger, on 04 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

the role of a good jenner now is to go use its 6 med laser package and destory the ecm lights. plus dont forget if u know the weapon layout of the light with ecm and it has streak just take out that part first. they go down easy.

I wish I could see your skillful lag shield shooting while being smashed by streaks.

[Stormur Herra]

Darian DelFord, on 04 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

This post is strictly for opinions. With us being the only light currently not able to equip ECM (Debatable) what is now our role in combat. When I first heard of MW 5 back when it was first announced turning into MWO Jenner popped right into mind with ECM and BAP I could get behind and actually scout. However the few games I have played as the Jenner I feel useless as a scout, other than standing at a normal crossing spot with Thermal Imaging on and saying, yup no one coming this way.

Question, scout wise what can we bring to the table that the Commando and Raven can not do better:?

Just curious

The Jenner was better than the Raven and Commando in every way before ECM was introduced. Now finally one variant of the other two have a legit reason to be played.

[Streeter]

Stormur Herra, on 04 December 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

The Jenner was better than the Raven and Commando in every way before ECM was introduced. Now finally one variant of the other two have a legit reason to be played.

^^this is true and its just about balance, no ECM on the Jenner is a pretty severe nerf though and it is no where near as good as the Raven and arguably the commando now.