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[Redmond Spiderhammer]

aspect, on 05 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

It'll stop soon, I hope.

My impression of the ECM feedback: "ECM is unbalanced because the enemy team had more ECM's than my team did!"

Well if a 1.5 ton 2 crit piece of equipment is deciding matches doesnt that seem like a problem?

[One Medic Army]

Redmond Spiderhammer, on 05 December 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Well if a 1.5 ton 2 crit piece of equipment is deciding matches doesnt that seem like a problem?

Funny, that's how I felt about streaks, and everyone just told me to L2P

[GalaxyBluestar]

hammerreborn, on 05 December 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

So shoot him with those lasers? Equip one or two srm4s? Have teammates to "pass" to?

since when in a pug battle does 2 or 4 med lasers {the standard back up for missle boat} negotiate it's way around 2 meds and an srm 6 mounted on faster chassis that's singled you out for everyone to gang up on you. of course you don't equip srms or any missle cause they're only accurate with lock which is ruined by said ecm mech. the team mate to pass too first has to be there no your team mates are busy brawling cause they don't want to risk being a lame duck of dead weight hoping for those few moments when a lock on can be achieved for the full flight of lrms. let's face it with ecm being as popular as it is lrm's are too impractical and inefficient to risk. lock on's were hard enough to maintain before let alone with ecms runnng all over any potential target, that's why i'm sticking with lasers.

[Kreisel]

Lt Limpy, on 05 December 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Can I just add to the OP that an LRM Cat is already NEGATED THE SAME WAY REGARDLESS OF ECM DUE TO LRM'S MINIMUM RANGE!??!

It's not... You could call for help, target someone else more than 180 away and continue to fire while attempting to maneuver to avoid incoming damage from the harasser. In addition .. if you saw them coming you could soften them up by focusing a few volleys on them before they reached you, or sneak in a quick devastating volley if you could juke them into stepping outside your min range for a moment. Also it was more likely someone would come to your aide in a pug if you could target the harasser, they would see the red arrow right on top of you behind the front line and it's pretty easy to tell whats going on from a glance of the radar screen... or even the red diamond appearing on the HUD behind you. In the new situation... you have to type for them to have any clue your in trouble or where you are at.

A AMS equipped scout had many of the same problems, but at-least they could run out of AMS ammo and it was easy for friendlies to know what was going on an come to the rescue, ECM accomplishes everything AMS does and more for the same tonnage/crit space, and no ammo issues.

Edited by Kreisel, 05 December 2012 - 10:41 PM.

[hammerreborn]

GalaxyBluestar, on 05 December 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

since when in a pug battle does 2 or 4 med lasers {the standard back up for missle boat} negotiate it's way around 2 meds and an srm 6 mounted on faster chassis that's singled you out for everyone to gang up on you. of course you don't equip srms or any missle cause they're only accurate with lock which is ruined by said ecm mech. the team mate to pass too first has to be there no your team mates are busy brawling cause they don't want to risk being a lame duck of dead weight hoping for those few moments when a lock on can be achieved for the full flight of lrms. let's face it with ecm being as popular as it is lrm's are too impractical and inefficient to risk. lock on's were hard enough to maintain before let alone with ecms runnng all over any potential target, that's why i'm sticking with lasers.

SRMs are amazing, learn2aim. I never put much stock to them on my jenner but when I saw recommendations to using them to counter getting streaked to death I haven't looked back.

Your scenario doesn't make any sense either, as you have one team being a focus fire super god team vs a catapult who is apparently alone and desparate with no talent or skill and the rest of the team is derping along...

[GalaxyBluestar]

Bear44, on 05 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

not the best analogy cause throwing the basketball is more like lasers. you actually have to aim. and the circle has to be on target, but with lrm and ssrm, the circle doesn't have to be dead on with the enemy, just within this big lock on square.

actually using an lrm means you're a sitting duck cause you have to hold the circle in the square to ensure the missles head towards the target. for ssrms this isn't a porblem, for srms the target is always in front of you and the travel distance is short so you only need to hold for a second. now an lrm boat to have it's intended effect has to make sure the target won't dissapear or the missle will just go straight and crash into whatever, which is a wasted salvo and 5-10 seconds which is a lot of time in a heated battle. so startigically you really have to time your shots otherwise you're missle will fail and you become deadweight for the team. taking lrms closer than 400m defeats the purpose and tactic of outranging mechs, so lrms are really at such a disadvantage they ain't worth using, gave them up well before ecm kicked in.

[QuantumButler]

That's the risk you now take running a no skill lock on rocket boat.

You don't need any aiming skill so you have to compensate with skilled teamwork to counter ECM, if that's too hard for your drive something that needs actual skills like aiming instead.

Edited by QuantumButler, 06 December 2012 - 01:16 AM.

[GalaxyBluestar]

hammerreborn, on 05 December 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

SRMs are amazing, learn2aim. I never put much stock to them on my jenner but when I saw recommendations to using them to counter getting streaked to death I haven't looked back.

Your scenario doesn't make any sense either, as you have one team being a focus fire super god team vs a catapult who is apparently alone and desparate with no talent or skill and the rest of the team is derping along...

because lrm boats don't flock with the brawlers inviting them to takem out with better weapons at close range and you're yet another person recomending srms, the point of having all these weapons systems is so that they can be used, i refuse to joing the closerange weapons bandwagon because of the lag that occours in swarms. the example wasn't just made up, a lot of the time teams all stick together to do the same thing or some split into two groups so if your team mate is picked off the peolpe who done it taste blood and out flank you and outgun you at closer range. the rest of the team are somewhere else and wonder hey we're 2-3 down but i haven't seen anyone beside me fall damnn these 2 atlases just take a pounding etc. so i'm not making up some agenda i'm just bringing you my experience of the behavior on the battlefield.

[GalaxyBluestar]

QuantumButler, on 06 December 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:

That's the risk you now take running a no skill lock on rocket boat.

You don't need any aiming skill so you have to compensate with skilled teamwork to counter ECM, if that's too hard for your drive something that needs actual skills like aiming instead.

read a prevoius post and my latest properly i'm now in an LASER SNIPING AWESOME! and i've just explained it takes skill to get the lrm boat right to be effiecient in battle so why do you think i use lrm's!? i hate using them aiming with cannons and lasers is easier and better before ecm but in turn we're decimating a chunk of what mechwarrior was about so someone has to say hey do we want wepons genicide because it's good to use like the srm and ssrm? what we need is balance so scissor paper rock fights happen instead of rock paper rock paper fights.

lrms aren't only awfull to use but now they're really rubbish as well, i feel sorry for those people who do like using them... don't know what they see in it myself but lets let EACH TO HIS OWN, and not tread on people cause they want to be different fighters.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 06 December 2012 - 01:36 AM.

[QuantumButler]

GalaxyBluestar, on 06 December 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

read a prevoius post and my latest properly i'm now in an LASER SNIPING AWESOME! and i've just explained it takes skill to get the lrm boat right to be effiecient in battle so why do you think i use lrm's!? i hate using them aiming with cannons and lasers are better but in turn we're decimating a chunk of what mechwarrior was about so someone has to say hey do we want wepons genicide because it's good to use like the srm and ssrm? what we need is balance so scissor paper rock fights happen instead of rock paper rock paper fights.

Oh yeah sure it takes lots more skill to position a lrm boat properly and hit mouse 1 than it does to do all the positioning while needing to aim, lead your shots, twist your torso to spread damage, etc.

lock on rockets require much, much less skill, and are thus very easy to counter.

Edited by QuantumButler, 06 December 2012 - 01:33 AM.

[GalaxyBluestar]

QuantumButler, on 06 December 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

lock on rockets require much, much less skill, and are thus very easy to counter.

well there you go EASIER TO COUNTER, you just said what makes lrm's harder to hit with, they are easy to counter, there's cover everywhere unless you're idiotically 10 seconds away from it and radar is poor at tracking so lrm's don't get many hits. that's why i don't use them and don't know why anyone would lobby to make them harder to use. they're already poor to use i don't go near them and leading your shots isn't that hard i've run plenty of er ppcs before lasers {awesome standard} and the only thing to screw you is lag and that was when er ppc had poor hit detection. the only reason why people think lrm's are so easy is because people stand on hills to get the best chance at long lockons being completely exposed to snipers {love ruining their day with my shots btw} and then the targets think omg they're so op just because of the shaking, i've been hit by 4 or 5 lrm 40 worth salvos torso twisting ect and i should've been put down but i only had ct red and the rest yellow and then made it to cover. lrm's are easy to dodge easy to out run in a medium-lightmech and the maps have so much cover. lrm's are a poor choice for battle and i'm never going back to them especcially if people like yourself want even more nerfing on them.

[Dukov Nook]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 December 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

so the 30 drops I pugged yesterday,

Really. Just really. Stop there.

details from 30 PUG drops are pointless ITT. Pugs haven't figured out how to properly use ECM yet.

[BloodyDziq]

Rhanne, on 05 December 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

You could use teamwork, and have a meduim or light hang out by the lrm boats to protect them.

... this argument is the just like when LRM was OP when LRM users said "you can hide from LRMs" but we all know that will not work just like now leaving light or medium by a LRM mech. At current state ECM is OP

[Sulf]

Garth Erlam, on 05 December 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Or, and stay with me here, you put on four medium lasers and 2 LRM 15's with artemis.

Also there's a non tech item that completely negates laser damage - we call it a 'hill' and you can stand behind it and fire LRMs right over it

As amusing as this may be, I find myself wondering why the effective lead of customer relations is actively insulting the company's paying customers.

Am I the only one that is shocked by this?