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[WolvesX]

DayZ i think.

[Norris J Packard]

Vividos, on 04 March 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

because it would be IMPOSSIBLE for tournament moderators to ban MC consumables from play...right?

Yes. Good luck trying to police that, bro.

[MoonUnitBeta]

verybad, on 04 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Wow, can lose up to 35% of your heat once per game, gotta pay for it each game if you want to use it again.

It's almost as useful as NARC, only more expensive... That's way overbalanced!

Finally. Somebody who gets it.
/huge hug

[Moromillas]

I will be testing these new changes and providing feedback. Just saying that, going the pay to win route, it's just not something I can get behind.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Taemien, on 04 March 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

To all those freaking out and cluttering the forums, know that you've been reported and if your threads are deleted, its because of me, not PGI trying to silence you. Its ridiculous that honest forum goers have to sift through the BS just to get any sort of information just because a few hotheaded and immature players need to vent.

In addition there is a ton of redundant threads and those have been reported as well. All and all, I've probably hit about 20 to 25 of these. Use the search function and post in a similar thread to the topic you wanted to post. Don't post another one, it spreads out all the information across multiple posts.

WHOA I'M SHAKING IN MY INTERNET BOOTS BECAUSE THE VIGILANT SACKRIDER TAEMIEN IS ON THE JOB

[DarthMolen]

FYI, its the trend of consumables i'm voting down, and the downright lies.

I paid a lot of money. How can they not be making it? Keep coming up with permanent options (such as cool paint and patterns and ways to show off your doo-dads) plus an awesome, balanced game, and the people will come in droves.

Until that happens, I'm done recommending to friends and done with my wallet.

[Hawks]

A better question would be:

'Why do we even need one version?'

[Psikez]

Just shoot the ECM with your ears while you p2cool

[Vividos]

Shumabot, on 04 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

THAT IS THE EXACT DEFINITION OF PAY TO WIN

actually, it's not. it comes with a trade off. you took my sarcasm far too literally. here, let me dumb it down for you:

IT IS NOT PAY2WIN BECAUSE 1 FLUSH IS INFERIOR TO 2, EVEN IF IT IS A BIGGER SINGULAR FLUSH. THAT MEANS THE MC CONSUMABLE USER TRADED AN OPEN MODULE SLOT FOR A LESS EFFECTIVE FLUSH. (if the MC flush were only 25% like the c-bill one, or 15% like tier 1, it would actually be WORSE. having it at 35% is what makes it EQUAL. some day after you've grown up a little bit you'll understand)

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HERO MECH MENTALITY.
IT IS NOT BETTER, IT IS DIFFERENT.
ONE MODULE SLOT VS 2 FLUSHES.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE THAT C-BILL AND MC FLUSHES SHOULD BE 100% EQUAL THEN YOU ARE ALSO ARGUING THAT HERO MECHS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE HARDPOINTS AND CAMO THAT C-BILL SPENDERS CAN ACQUIRE.

Edited by Vividos, 04 March 2013 - 05:27 PM.

[WolvesX]

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[Cheetokun]

OneEyed Jack, on 04 March 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

Give me more.

The more screaming babies abandon the game, the more likely the forums will have posts worth actually reading not pushed 10+ pages back.

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Looks like you were the kid who got exactly what you wanted when you started crying. Boo hoo. Cya later

I'm sure Paul can defend his own game design decisions, no need for mooks like you to get all defensive about it.

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

The fact that it can only be used once per game?
The fact that you have to rebuy the MC version after every use???
You don't have to do squat but play better.

Maybe I ought to mail you a dictionary, highlight the word "counter".

[BladeSplint]

Stevie Wonder reporting in! unable to read forums before posting!

[Psikez]

Vividos, on 04 March 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

actually, it's not. it comes with a trade off. you took my sarcasm far too literally. here, let me dumb it down for you:

IT IS NOT PAY2WIN BECAUSE 1 FLUSH IS INFERIOR TO 2, EVEN IF IT IS A BIGGER SINGULAR FLUSH. THAT MEANS TO MC CONSUMABLE USER TRADED AN OPEN MODULE SLOT FOR A LESS EFFECTIVE FLUSH.

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HERO MECH MENTALITY.
IT IS NOT BETTER, IT IS DIFFERENT.
ONE MODULE SLOT VS 2 FLUSHES.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE THAT C-BILL AND MC FLUSHES SHOULD BE 100% EQUAL THEN YOU ARE ALSO ARGUING THAT HERO MECHS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE HARDPOINTS AND CAMO THAT C-BILL SPENDERS CAN ACQUIRE.

tb;dr

[Nonsense]

WardenWolf, on 04 March 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

In case any Devs are listening, I have a solution:

Drop the three-tier consumable thing completely. Have one tier, at the level of the MC one, but with this change: the MC one is one use per match, but lasts forever, while the c-bill version gets used up and has to be re-purchased.

That is all. Then they are equal in-game in every way, you are just 'paying for convenience' with the MC version, as you just buy it once instead of every match.

Now it is worth noting, and loling, that this is basically just bringing back repair & reload into the game. I didn't mind it to begin with, so I don't mind here either, but its pretty funny if you think about it. Oh, and I also am not sold on the Dev's stated plan being truly P2W... but it is definitely starting down that slope.

It would still have to be done right, but yes...this is a very good solution and would go a long way towards changing perception and making things lean away from p2w.

[DeeSaster]

Broad5ide, on 04 March 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

except, the exact quote is "The C-Bill Purchased Coolant Flush will allow a player to trigger a coolant flush twice during a match." notice how it doesn't say you need both to get two? go back to school kid

Check out the part of his post at the end called "Summary":

"The C-Bill version of coolant flushes will allow 2 uses during a match. (One cools 15%, the other cools 20%)."

Very clear IMO and the way you describe it makes no sense whatsoever, because it would mean, that the tier 2 coolant is better (2x20%) then the tier 3 coolant (1x35%). Who would buy the mc one?

[Orzorn]

Vividos, on 04 March 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

actually, it's not. it comes with a trade off. you took my sarcasm far too literally. here, let me dumb it down for you:

IT IS NOT PAY2WIN BECAUSE 1 FLUSH IS INFERIOR TO 2, EVEN IF IT IS A BIGGER SINGULAR FLUSH. THAT MEANS THE MC CONSUMABLE USER TRADED AN OPEN MODULE SLOT FOR A LESS EFFECTIVE FLUSH.

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HERO MECH MENTALITY.
IT IS NOT BETTER, IT IS DIFFERENT.
ONE MODULE SLOT VS 2 FLUSHES.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE THAT C-BILL AND MC FLUSHES SHOULD BE 100% EQUAL THEN YOU ARE ALSO ARGUING THAT HERO MECHS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE HARDPOINTS AND CAMO THAT C-BILL SPENDERS CAN ACQUIRE.

Whose freaking out right now?

[TempestWolf1]

so... let's see... a non paying user can get 2 colling modules and 2 artillery modules (assuming the mech HAS 4 module slots) which is a nice equivalent to the 1 large cooling module and 1 large artillery module of the paying user... those BESIDE the 1 large airstrike module... and 1 extended sensor module that they can fit in the remaining two slots... right?

not pay to win AT ALL...

Edited by TempestWolf1, 04 March 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[Tennex]

wait are you mad because they are laughing allt he way to the bank with the 5 mil the made telling peopel this was going to be a F2P game?

[Josef Nader]

Norris J Packard, on 04 March 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

What aren't you understand about the following:



Note how he says the word "one" as in singular, not plural. Meaning they can be used twice per match. Yay!

Or he means the C-Bill option gives you two inferior flushes per match, whereas the MC one gives you a single big flush.

[Rigiroth]

DarthMolen, on 04 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

FYI, its the trend of consumables i'm voting down, and the downright lies.

I paid a lot of money. How can they not be making it? Keep coming up with permanent options (such as cool paint and patterns and ways to show off your doo-dads) plus an awesome, balanced game, and the people will come in droves.

Until that happens, I'm done recommending to friends and done with my wallet.

This whole ordeal makes me glad I decided to wait before spending any more money on this game.