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[danust]

Make it 3-5 slots and 5-10 tons and leave as is. 3L with MLas and SStreaks is a bit much with lag shield. 2 D-DC's in tandem with good pilots can dominate a location. We can now hit them with PPC interrupt and temp uncloud the veil and achieve a lock.

No real answer for 2 3L's in tandem. Except those 2 D-DC's maybe. Pilot error is the only way to kill them really when they get greedy and come in too close or frontal.

[gunkie]

Duvanor, on 28 December 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Not being able to hit a Light with other weapons then missiles is still a netcode issue and in case of the Raven maybe hitboxes, not of ECM. Plus there are ways to hit anyway. Swarms of standart SRM for example have a good chance of hitting a lagshieldet Light.

I got no ECM mech. It doesn't matter in PUGs, at least for me.

Really I've had many games where there were no ecm equipped mechs on one side. They all end the same way the side without ecm loses. The problem isn't that ECM mechs on their own are better or can't be hit. ECM, as it currently is, is a force multiplier. A single A7 DC on one side makes a huge difference as long as the other side doesn't have it.

Edited by gunkie, 21 February 2013 - 06:40 PM.

[WolvesX]

gunkie, on 21 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

Really I've had many games where there were no ecm equipped mechs on one side. They all end the same way the side without ecm loses. The problem isn't that ECM mechs on their own are better or can't be hit. ECM, as it currently is, is a force multiplier. A single A7 DC on one side makes a huge difference as long as the other side doesn't have it.

Thats it!

no ECM equals 90% lose

[Ghogiel]

WolvesX, on 22 February 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Thats it!

no ECM equals 90% lose

sauce?

[Bhan Zor]

WolvesX, on 22 February 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Thats it!

no ECM equals 90% lose

90% chance of losing? Alarmist nonsense.

Edited by Bhan Zor, 22 February 2013 - 03:10 AM.

[One Medic Army]

ECM inhibits teamwork.
Remove ECM hiding where friendly mechs are.

Never in TT was one side unable to see where their own mechs were, not even under double-blind rules.

[Tikkamasala]

One Medic Army, on 22 February 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

ECM inhibits teamwork.
Remove ECM hiding where friendly mechs are.

It encourages remembering where your team operates and punishes blind solo charges, i.e. it rewards team work.

[WolvesX]

Tikkamasala, on 22 February 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

It encourages remembering where your team operates and punishes blind solo charges, i.e. it rewards team work.

ECM needs near ro zero skill to work, thats the problem. All counters are skill based.

[Onmyoudo]

Tikkamasala, on 22 February 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

It encourages remembering where your team operates and punishes blind solo charges, i.e. it rewards team work.

Orrrrrr if you get ambushed by 2 ECM Ravens and suddenly the map tells you you're all alone and the PUGs have wandered off from where they were 30 seconds ago. Medic's point is valid.

[WolvesX]

http://mwomercs.com/...98#entry1939798

This poll is a good proof too!

[Tikkamasala]

WolvesX, on 22 February 2013 - 04:16 AM, said:

ECM needs near ro zero skill to work, thats the problem. All counters are skill based.

You can just shoot them; activate thermal vision to make it even easier. There are just two classes of weapons affected, one of them needs some kind of teamwork anyway to be effective (spotter, tag, etc).
Scouting using your own eyes and relaying that information becomes more important with ECM. I don't see how that inhibits teamwork.

Onmyoudo, on 22 February 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:

Orrrrrr if you get ambushed by 2 ECM Ravens and suddenly the map tells you you're all alone and the PUGs have wandered off from where they were 30 seconds ago. Medic's point is valid.

If you get ambushed by two enemy mechs all alone you have made a mistake previously. If you don't know where your team has gone you have failed yet again. Why is that suddenly the fault of ECM?

[Onmyoudo]

Tikkamasala, on 22 February 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

If you get ambushed by two enemy mechs all alone you have made a mistake previously. If you don't know where your team has gone you have failed yet again. Why is that suddenly the fault of ECM?

If your mistake is not being in LoS of all of your team at all times without exception, sure. I never mentioned not knowing where they had gone, but catching them is another matter, yes? If you expect PUGs to respond in a timely manner to "help, enemy at C5" you're often going to be disappointed.

[Tikkamasala]

Onmyoudo, on 22 February 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

If your mistake is not being in LoS of all of your team at all times without exception, sure. I never mentioned not knowing where they had gone, but catching them is another matter, yes? If you expect PUGs to respond in a timely manner to "help, enemy at C5" you're often going to be disappointed.

If that's a common problem i'd suggest not running off alone or at least be able to run back to your team in time instead of asking for help.

[Para B]

Drastically increase the ECM system's weight and crit slots. Reduce the possible firepower of light ECM mechs.

Problem solved.

Edited by Para B, 22 February 2013 - 05:07 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

WolvesX, on 20 February 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Proof added:

ECM is OP

This is only proof that You in a raven is OP. The 2nd Raven did not fair as well as you sir. OP build would have had both ravens above the Phract.

[Mackensen]

My favourite mechs are my Stalkers. They have no ECM and I perform better with them than with my AS7-D-DC.

[StalaggtIKE]

Tikkamasala, on 22 February 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

You can just shoot them; activate thermal vision to make it even easier. There are just two classes of weapons affected, one of them needs some kind of teamwork anyway to be effective (spotter, tag, etc).
Scouting using your own eyes and relaying that information becomes more important with ECM. I don't see how that inhibits teamwork.

First off, if you're playing without thermal then you're already doing it wrong. "Smurf vision" is the only way to play this game, especially with the inclusion of ECM stealth. I take it you either use TS or equivalent, or you do not play the game. A big part of non verbal communication used target selecting and call letters to inform team of enemy's location. So, yes it hinders teamwork, at least between pugs. In my D-DC, I welcome my enemy to shoot me; I will usually win a 1-on-1 fight. All I must do is isolate them; in which ECM passively assist me in doing so.

Tikkamasala, on 22 February 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

If you get ambushed by two enemy mechs all alone you have made a mistake previously. If you don't know where your team has gone you have failed yet again. Why is that suddenly the fault of ECM?

Yeah, I love how you make it sound so simple. Because all the pros are standing in the open, keeping each other in los while entangled in battle. There is a difference in being aware of your ally's location and being forced to keep los. ECM demands you keep them in los if you want live update of their location.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 22 February 2013 - 06:55 AM.

[StalaggtIKE]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 February 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

This is only proof that You in a raven is OP. The 2nd Raven did not fair as well as you sir. OP build would have had both ravens above the Phract.

I got one too!

[Thorn Hallis]

28 pages full of wasted bandwith. And in the 3rd world the internet is starving.

[Ulric Kell]

Dead horse has been beaten dead dead dead. Seriously, it's not that bad. It changed the game dynamics but it's manageable.