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[Dagger6T6]

well 8v8 didn't arrive until Tuesday and since alot of people have work and things, they can't stay up all hours... I would say this weekend will be big for the 8v8... although it is suprisingly difficult to keep an 8 man team together for an extended period.

also all the CTD and yellow screen HUD bugs are a major pain in the *** when dropping 8v8... you lose 2 guys and your team is fuxxored big time

maybe less xmas trinkets and more bug fixes, yes i know the people working on he trinkets arent the same doing the other parts of the game... but we need bug fixes and FPS optimization asap

[Bishop Steiner]

Arcadian Xero, on 06 December 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Sixstring and Lawdog are Dark Sabers actually haha. They ran a few more after I logged off. So you have come across us, but I don;t know how balanced their drops were after I left.

That's it! thanks for that, was killing me not remembering, since I recall some of your guys recruiting me way back when (along with BWC and a few others). I only really have dealt with em in the forums ( I still haunt fan art when I can), but seem like pretty good fellows. I don't recall the unit being overly "balanced" but it also wasn't a stomp. But I am pretty sure (at leastt as sure as I can be after a few too many vodka and cranberries.... (maybe that didnt help?)) we lost. On Caustic...... Or at least I got Blown up. Wait... no, on caustic I ended up distracting about 4 mechs while my guys cleaned up the rest (and yeah I still went boom, lol).

.. Damn. Now I can't remember which map. Sad Panda. Colonel Mustard, in the Library with the Pipe?

[Lefty Lucy]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

I can't disagree. I like to compete, yes, and win. But at the end of the day, I can't bring myself to become one of the "Pro-Gamers". My mentality is fun first. It's a bloody video game, and TBH, the best Mechwarrior, or CoD warrior or whatever.. is not exactly an accomplishment that I will have carved on my tombstone, nor is it any more likely to get me laid.

I used to be more intense into it, but maybe age and perspective are catching up. I would rather spend my Saturdays cheering on silly *** college football, my weekends SCUBA diving with REAL people I know, and such, than be the "bestest Mechwarrior EVAH!"

Wow. Maybe I just had an epiphany about my priorities. Mid life crisis, here I come!

Yeah, but when you want to just run silly stuff, there's always PUGging or 4-mans. When I run in a 4 man and someone suggests that we actually synergize our builds, I pretty much tell them that we shouldn't care because we're already stacking the deck in our favor. I like to play for ***** and giggles, but sometimes I want to seriously compete. 8 mans are the only way to do that right now.

[Arcadian Xero]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

That's it! thanks for that, was killing me not remembering, since I recall some of your guys recruiting me way back when (along with BWC and a few others). I only really have dealt with em in the forums ( I still haunt fan art when I can), but seem like pretty good fellows. I don't recall the unit being overly "balanced" but it also wasn't a stomp. But I am pretty sure (at leastt as sure as I can be after a few too many vodka and cranberries.... (maybe that didnt help?)) we lost. On Caustic...... Or at least I got Blown up. Wait... no, on caustic I ended up distracting about 4 mechs while my guys cleaned up the rest (and yeah I still went boom, lol).

.. Damn. Now I can't remember which map. Sad Panda. Colonel Mustard, in the Library with the Pipe?

If you want to try and set up synched drops against us with your corp, drop me a PM. We would love to fight other organized teams with some skill, and a desire to run balanced drops for actual good fights.

[Stargazer86]

Lefty Lucy, on 06 December 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

Yeah, but when you want to just run silly stuff, there's always PUGging or 4-mans. When I run in a 4 man and someone suggests that we actually synergize our builds, I pretty much tell them that we shouldn't care because we're already stacking the deck in our favor. I like to play for ***** and giggles, but sometimes I want to seriously compete. 8 mans are the only way to do that right now.

There's a difference between wanting to run something silly like a HBK with dual ER PPC's and just wanting to run a normal AC20 HBK-4G which, for all intents and purposes, should be a completely worthwhile and viable mech in pretty much any situations. It's not as if you're strapping 9 flamers to a 4P or something...

Edited by Stargazer86, 06 December 2012 - 10:15 PM.

[Arcadian Xero]

Stargazer86, on 06 December 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

There's a difference between wanting to run something silly like a HBK with dual ER PPC's and just wanting to run a normal AC20 HBK-4G which, for all intents and purposes, should be a completely worthwhile and viable mech in pretty much any situations. It's not as if you're strapping 9 flamers to a 4P or something...

I love my AC20 4G... So much fun in 8 man groups. It is mostly ignored if you run alongside a DDC with ECM and let's you dish out really good damage.

[Kobold]

Lefty Lucy, on 06 December 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

"nothing but cheese builds" is just code for "we're not good enough to hack it, so we're going to farm you for imaginary space buxx."

When everyone is in one pile, lots of people have someone below to pick on. When you cut that into two groups, suddenly a whole new group of people is "on the bottom" with no one to pick on. It should come as no surprise that they would rather be on top of the bottom pile, rather than on the bottom of the top.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dagger6T6, on 06 December 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

well 8v8 didn't arrive until Tuesday and since alot of people have work and things, they can't stay up all hours... I would say this weekend will be big for the 8v8... although it is suprisingly difficult to keep an 8 man team together for an extended period.

also all the CTD and yellow screen HUD bugs are a major pain in the *** when dropping 8v8... you lose 2 guys and your team is fuxxored big time

maybe less xmas trinkets and more bug fixes, yes i know the people working on he trinkets arent the same doing the other parts of the game... but we need bug fixes and FPS optimization asap

Out of 10 drops tonight, I would guesstimate, 4 times we were fighting with only 7 guys. And 3 were on frikking Frozen... kicked one of our ECM Commandos each frikking time. When we were up and running last night (or.. the night before now, I guess) we were a lot better lubed in unit response. I also did a lot better afterr I stopped dicking around with Ilya builds (hey, I have almost got all the Phracts mastered, darn it.. 10k more exp and I am done) and brought in Cowbell (my founders atlas).

I Figured out quick that since we were facing 5-6 Atlas almost every match, playing with my preferred mechs was not cutting it.
That said (responding to Lucy) we have a lto of good guys on our friends lists (RobinSage had to delete several people to invite in who we did have, lol) but didn't see may of them. I do think that while the pompous *** attitude some PUGs are on their soapbox with is just envy, their IS a kernel of truth, as I noticed an increase in whining on my units forum, and on the MWO forums both (Hate to say it but if BWC is so barny badazz Ex-Military why are their members leading the QQ brigade about ECM? I know several of their guys are class, but dayum.)

BTW, I seldom felt ECM was the cause of our issues. Poor coordination usually was.

[Lemniscate]

Despite all the wind-bagging in this thread, there are plenty of us out there doing 8 man teams at every opportunity and while some of the teams got tired of getting walked on and went back to 4 mans there are a lot of good teams and a small handful of great teams having a blast.

Phase 2 matchmaking totally changed the game. I'm glad plenty of people are out there having fun with 4 mans and solo dropping (shame on 8 man sync drops though), but you guys are really missing where the very best and most intense stompy robot action is. I cannot recommend strongly enough that if you've got a competitive streak and like shooting robots to go find yourself a quality team and get into the action. Don't listen to the people who couldn't cut it out there, it's incredibly far from all cheese.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kobold, on 06 December 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

When everyone is in one pile, lots of people have someone below to pick on. When you cut that into two groups, suddenly a whole new group of people is "on the bottom" with no one to pick on. It should come as no surprise that they would rather be on top of the bottom pile, rather than on the bottom of the top.

need...
to .....

re-read this tomorrow when the alcohol has left my system.....

[p00k]

also, don't forget guys. 8v8 is great when you have 8 people, but when one guy decides he needs to go get dinner or something, you have no choice but to break up if you can't find a filler. i think since the patch i've probably dropped maybe 70% 8v8, 30% 4man or less, because quite simply not everyone is in a group with 200 members and a waiting room with someone always waiting to take that 8th spot

edit: also, yes, 8v8 right now is pretty much ddc's, a few ravens/jenners, with the odd hunchy or ilya tossed in, but essentially is an ecm arms race. i dont blame anyone who gets tired of it, though i'd rather fight ddc's all day than herd sheep

Edited by p00k, 06 December 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

BTW, I seldom felt ECM was the cause of our issues. Poor coordination usually was.

Yeah. We definitely aren't winning every match now that the kiddies have started to get out of the grown-up pool, but the one match last night that we lost *really* hard core it was because I abandoned my watch over the tunnel in Frozen to assist a team mate. since I didn't communicate that I left my post, we were vulnerable to a tunnel rush, and that lost it for us.

[SpiralRazor]

Riffleman, on 06 December 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Really? You gave 8 man games a try for 3 whole days? This is becoming a trend as its at least 6 recognizable teams I have seen today alone. One of the groups was on my team, I asked them what happened, is the dream dead already? They said 8v8 is total bs right now, nothing running but cheeze builds.

Is it really so bad you just arent having fun in 8 man teams now? What needs to change, I imagine actual tonnage matching would help. Whats so bad about it though?

ECM needs to change, thats why your seeing the cheese builds...Stack ECMs, use meta builds, and win.

[mekabuser]

all i can do is laugh... POS premade scum are so obvious now in pugs. The blame is ultimately with pgi for having zero understanding of human nature in gaming and lack of voice.,but the lameness of the premades is starting to wear thin.
We need a pug only pool yesterday.

[Bishop Steiner]

p00k, on 06 December 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

also, don't forget guys. 8v8 is great when you have 8 people, but when one guy decides he needs to go get dinner or something, you have no choice but to break up if you can't find a filler. i think since the patch i've probably dropped maybe 70% 8v8, 30% 4man or less, because quite simply not everyone is in a group with 200 members and a waiting room with someone always waiting to take that 8th spot

edit: also, yes, 8v8 right now is pretty much ddc's, a few ravens/jenners, with the odd hunchy or ilya tossed in, but essentially is an ecm arms race. i dont blame anyone who gets tired of it, though i'd rather fight ddc's all day than herd sheep

Totally agree I prefer 8man even with the cheeze .. er sorry, the UBER COMPETITIVE FTW MINMAX UNITS......or PUGging solo. If I 4 man it's usually cuz we can't slap 8 together atm, and it's 3-4 of of driving wtf ever, and bullshitting about real life stuff instead of paying much attention to the game. Kinda reminds me of when I play Spades and stuf with my best firend, the cards just kept the hands busy while we yakked (though oddly we generally crushed anyone we did play cards with.. and yet when uber focused, I never seem to play as well. weird)

[Lefty Lucy]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Totally agree I prefer 8man even with the cheeze .. er sorry, the UBER COMPETITIVE FTW MINMAX UNITS......or PUGging solo. If I 4 man it's usually cuz we can't slap 8 together atm, and it's 3-4 of of driving wtf ever, and bullshitting about real life stuff instead of paying much attention to the game. Kinda reminds me of when I play Spades and stuf with my best firend, the cards just kept the hands busy while we yakked (though oddly we generally crushed anyone we did play cards with.. and yet when uber focused, I never seem to play as well. weird)

Lol, yeah, last night I was doing 4 mans, and we had a PUG pickup who walked into the water on his own and started getting owned. I made it my mission to save "potato" (his user name was potato-something) and we all had a laugh about that.

Now that 8-mans are out, I think that trying to play 4-mans with coordination is little more than [REDACTED]

Edited by miSs, 07 December 2012 - 04:50 PM.
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[WM Jeri]

Loving the 8 mans...only had one cheese drop so far out of about 20, the bigger issue is have to have 8 folks when 1 person leaves and we cant fill thats when we break back into 4's...not because we want to but because the game forces us to.

Edited by WM Jeri, 06 December 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[Kobold]

I can't speak for other groups, just for my own.

Firepower Unlimited, LLC has a very small membership roll right now (side note: we're hiring! Find us on NGNG TS3!), so except on our busiest nights of the week, we rarely have enough FU members on for a full group of 8. We often have to fill out with friends in other corps, and a couple lone wolves that have started playing with us regularly. The rest of the time we play in groups of 3 of 4 because we still enjoy playing the game more when you have someone to BS with while you play.

I would love to be able to BS with the rest of my PUG teammates as well, but the VOIP integration (if you even deign to call it that) is pretty terribad right now.

[ferranis]

I find it entertaining that the exact same people who inflict imbalance by dropping against pugs.. cry about imbalance in 8vs8.

[Alexandrix]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

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How's that demeaning others to protect your ego working out for you?
Just because someone is better than you at something doesn't mean they are lonely,basement dwelling virgins.I mean,some are,i'm sure,just not all.
But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you have to,to make yourself feel better about losing

*disclaimer:I demean plenty of people on the boards,but let's keep it within the confines of the game please.being derogatory toward someone you know nothing about on a personal level,outside of the game,just reeks of inferiority complex.*

Edited by Prosperity Park, 07 December 2012 - 04:11 PM.
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