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[Caboose30]

If we got some form of sensors in the game *now*, that would level things a lot more. I was hoping ECM was leading up to that, so we'll see. But think about it. Without ECM, you can detect mechs behind you, don't have to be looking them square in the cockpit to target them, etc. Throw in ECM, and suddenly sensors and knocked back to where they are now, as long as the mech with ECM closes range with you. That will significantly alter tactics, as you'd be able to pound them if they were just sitting out there waiting for you.

[CocoaJin]

matches will always be gamed and exploited as long as we have pre-planned, 1000m dash, play-date of a battle.

[Ronin Cahill]

As much as LRM boats made me cry lots, ECM in its current state is not the answer. Lrms are part of BT and should be utilized, ecm was intended to make it harder to obtain a lock not eliminate a lock chance altogether. Thus providing a chance for mechs to close on lrm mechs on open terrain. 100% coverage is rather buff unless the BAP is designed to counter it and allow normal or reduced locks to be obtained. Electronic warefare is a 2 way streak (no pun intended) with counters and counters to the counters..Mechonline should be no different. The solution is rather simple..BAP allows for locks on ECM mechs (without another mech jamming).
Ronin

[Grym]

I do hate to see a legandary post something like this.

But i have to sit back and look at this...you've stuck with this game so far...why leave now?

You've liked this game for this long with a single game mode. The only really new content being a few mechs. .

I just dont see this really being the end of the line for people that have been here this long. You finally get 8v8 back and you want to quit? Something tells me your going to be waiting around for 8v8 weight restrictions.

[Mordin Ashe]

I suppose there are several lections devs should learn, first not to introduce features that evidently don't work well with the current state of game and that it is better to release underpowered feature and tweak it in future rather than release a juggernaut that will kill everything else.
Second, to change their long internal testing period. I mean, it is great that you managed to make many fixes to the netcode and I am really proud of you, but please, the current state of game is that lights are OP due to bugs and glitches and if you say you are going to fix this in more than a month, you make a lot of people angry and create a lot of undesirable bad feelings in the community. Extensive internal testing is great for features, but bug fixes, even if the PGI doesn't see them as such, should be a priority and released ASAP. Also, ECM passed the internal testing and we see how did that go. Please, rely more on your common sence, we know you have a great one!

But other than that, nah, its ok. The game is still in beta and even if some feature breaks the game for me enough not to play much until next patch, I just don't play. The game isn't life for a reason. We are to find bugs and create feedback. Not playing much is a feedback. Yelling at others that they should L3P (yeah, I really mean 3, because it is more than 2 and you can't be overly demanding of people that already outplay you but you don't want to acknowledge that) is counterproductive.

[EnigmaNL]

GoriKarafong, on 09 December 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Finally you got at least me to a point where I stop playing it and regreting to spend money in it.

Ok, bye!

[The Basilisk]

I'm pleased to see there are still some voices of reason and calmness in here sounding over the rambling "I want I want I want.....this game as I think it should function"

Play a game like it is and you may win. Try to play it like you want it to be and you will most likely loose.

Guys, yes ECM has made a big Impact on PHASE 2 8v8 matchmaking. Why ?
Because there is no Tonnage limit so you bring what you can --> extreme tactics ftw.
Its only logical. You dont bring a dagger to a gunfight.

Balancing the drops first by wight later by Battlevalue will add some more spice to this game.
All this changes are an Indicator of the progress of this Game.

[John MatriX82]

So most of my lance removed AMS relying on pinpoint damage (besides that we were moving towards that direction even far before artemis introduction). Few days ago we met a premade using ECM Ravens with tag. We were almost there to lose the match due to effective use of LRMs + Tag.

To me the game is absolutely good for premade vs premade runs, it's EXTREMELY tactical, miss a step out of an ECM, get tagged without knowing it, don't use cover effectively and such and you go boom.

ECM is more troublesome for pugging, those who liked to boat LRMs or Streaks are having an hard time.

But quite frankly, when i pug I don't certainly hope that fellow puggers rely targets to me and I have ALWAYS brought in multi-purpose builds..

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Tesunie, on 09 December 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

Wait... we are suppose to be able to pick team size when going for launch? I only have a launch button and that's it. Is this a feature for those who pay for time? Just wondering here.

Just in case this hasn't been answered by some other means .. the "4 vs. 8" size selector shows up when creating a group in the <social> tab. "4" means a group consisting of 1, 2, 3 or 4 players, and "8" creates a group that must not consist of less then 8 players.

[Proteaus]

To be honest this game ran allot better pre mid sept patch than now.Mid sept was when they hard coded in the min graphic settings and thats when all the performance drops started.Before that mid sept patch this game ran a steady 25-30 fps with no lag on my high end dual core but since i just try this game once a month now to see if they sorted it , but alas it looks like they have no intention of making the game playable on the low end systems that are within their min sys req.
Have no idea how many potential customers that they alienated .

[DaZur]

"Don't blame the game... blame the players"...

Seriously... Yes, the 8man drop and the ECM boating needs to be tweaked but you can thank the 8man teams who elect to abuse the system rather than make a concerted effort to work with other 8mans (Universal agreement?) to drop with logical / practical teams.

I just love blameless societal solutions...

[Greyfyl]

DaZur, on 10 December 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

"Don't blame the game... blame the players"...

Seriously... Yes, the 8man drop and the ECM boating needs to be tweaked but you can thank the 8man teams who elect to abuse the system rather than make a concerted effort to work with other 8mans (Universal agreement?) to drop with logical / practical teams.

I just love blameless societal solutions...

Ummm....it's online gaming. People are going to do what gets them the most wins. Look at all the 'teams' that have already gone back to 4 mans to beat up on pugs. The same teams that proclaimed that they didn't want to beat up on pugs - but there was no team matchmaking.

[DaZur]

Greyfyl, on 10 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Ummm....it's online gaming. People are going to do what gets them the most wins. Look at all the 'teams' that have already gone back to 4 mans to beat up on pugs. The same teams that proclaimed that they didn't want to beat up on pugs - but there was no team matchmaking.

Understood... But then again, these team/groups/clans who clamor for a viable competitive team environment should, PGI having failed to create a plausible vehicle for it in this last patch, be working together to create a viable interim solution instead of effectively cutting of their nose to spite their face.

In fairness to your premise, there obviously is good reason they put warning labels on toasters to not use in the bath tub...

[Aegis Kleais]

You're just not cut out to be a Beta gamer. Don't feel bad, TONS of people are not.

It's beta. Bugs are gonna happen; you're gonna lose C-Bills and MC and money you should not have. Things are gonna get changed, some to your benefit, others to your loss. The game is not in a finite stage of development; change HAS to happen, and you don't seem like you understand this or are able to adapt to it.

Right now, the game is unplayable for me due to netcode; but knowing this, you either continue to play, or you wait for more patches to come out. Yes, we all want this game to be more stable and much further along in its development than it is, but this just isn't the case, and is akin to crying over spilled milk.

I'm frustrated as much as the next person; but I don't give up as easily. The best thing you can do is to just go play some other games for a while and distance yourself from MWO. I think PGI has the solid mechanics of the game spot on, but overall the game is just a bit premature until they can shore up all those areas (which they are working on, and to be truthful, you seem to have some delusions about how fast they can realistically address a lot of issues; trust me, games don't get patched/fixed THAT easily)

[Gotti]

Are we forgetting that lazurs and autocannons are not affected by ECM? That's a lot of firepower in those two things.

[Strakha]

Aegis Kleais, on 10 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

(Completely pointless ramble about how we should put up with anything because it's a beta

Game has got progressively worse patch to patch until it has become unplayable for me due to the performance issues - and other than a post from the devs to console us, it doesn't seem like our feedback is being acted on. Whether we are paying customers or beta testers (we're both), I think it would be useful to the developers to put across how a paying customer would react to these circumstances.

Lots of things annoy me in the game (not being able to knock over mechs or have them fall over is the most unrealistic alteration I've seen so far), but the only thing that's stopping me playing is the performance issue. I've played betas before, and been disappointed before, but never with something so close to my heart.

[Aegis Kleais]

Strakha, on 10 December 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Some dumbass, unintelligent drivel based on myopic fear of change with an equal showcase of an entitlement complex.

Too true, too true.

[Mechteric]

While ECM has at least put a stop to the SSRM boat madness, I wish it didn't have such an effect on the LRM fire support presence.

That said ECM isn't what is making 8v8 drops occasionally crappy. In particular frozen city caters to a cave rush using all close range brawlers that are sticking together. To make it worse if you start on the spawn area that is the higher elevated city area, the tunnel exit from that side seems much closer and has more cover than the opposite spawn's cave exit, so there's even more advantage to the team that uses that tactic.

Now I'm not saying a cave rush shouldn't be allowed, just needs the map to be tweaked a bit, perhaps making the cave a bit more winding so it takes more time to exit. Perhaps make the exit further away from the spawn area, and with less cover for those exiting it. Just suggestions.

[Strakha]

Aegis Kleais, on 10 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

[color=#959595]Some dumbass, unintelligent drivel based on myopic fear of change with an equal showcase of an entitlement complex.[/color]

Pity you didn't pay attention and actually try to address my point. I don't fear change unless it's change that makes the game unplayable. You can't play the game either? You obviously don't care about this game as much as the rest of us, and you have no right to tell people to just play other things and cross our fingers and hope it gets sorted out.

Things can go in 2 directions from here, and if you don't care if this game fails or not just stay out of it. You're aggravating people who are already aggravated, and making things worse.

[warp103]

Aegis Kleais, on 10 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

You're just not cut out to be a Beta gamer. Don't feel bad, TONS of people are not.

It's beta. Bugs are gonna happen; you're gonna lose C-Bills and MC and money you should not have. Things are gonna get changed, some to your benefit, others to your loss. The game is not in a finite stage of development; change HAS to happen, and you don't seem like you understand this or are able to adapt to it.

Right now, the game is unplayable for me due to netcode; but knowing this, you either continue to play, or you wait for more patches to come out. Yes, we all want this game to be more stable and much further along in its development than it is, but this just isn't the case, and is akin to crying over spilled milk.

I'm frustrated as much as the next person; but I don't give up as easily. The best thing you can do is to just go play some other games for a while and distance yourself from MWO. I think PGI has the solid mechanics of the game spot on, but overall the game is just a bit premature until they can shore up all those areas (which they are working on, and to be truthful, you seem to have some delusions about how fast they can realistically address a lot of issues; trust me, games don't get patched/fixed THAT easily)

Most of your statements ring true but one. If this was still close then pgi should have all slack in the world. The minute you go open is akin to it being a RC build. So for the person like yourself and me that frankly had better performance in closed beta. Ecm and lrm and netcode really is turning alot of people off. Will I stick around, yes will a buy MC nope. If I have my money right when founders was offered. I would have brought in. But as it is right now I glad. I did not have the money because I would have been pissed. So i can see why a founder would feel this way. This game is not ready for sunday after noon{non sport season} let alone primetime.

To the O P I have to say wait and see if it get better or Request a refund and comeback in 6 months. YOU will get better MC Hero mechs and have more fun after all the bugs are OUT MAYBE.

To other mackscorner videos is right. As it stand right know this game is a pew Pew pew COD clone with mechs.

Edited by warp103, 10 December 2012 - 01:12 PM.