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[CPUuser123]

Solis Obscuri, on 12 December 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

That's exactly why it needs to jam fairly often. 20 DPS from one 9 ton weapon is obscene, let alone 3? There should be a decent chance of any one of them jamming after sustained firing, forces people to do more than stand on the trigger for lolwallofbullets.

UAC 5 does 5.54 dps. by having 3 of them, and firing them .25secs apart, you can obtain 20dps with the 2% jam rate.

[Mystere]

You, sir, have made the Minbari Religious Caste really proud.

Edited by Mystere, 12 December 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

CPUuser123, on 10 December 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

I often look in the mirror and wonder who that handsome man is on the other side of the glass.



I don't work for razer nor have any affiliation with them. Though razer and pgi are welcome to pm me employment opportunities.



That results in very high weapon jam rates. The macro syncs them further apart to reduce jamming.

Is it cheating? No. I spent $$$ and choose to upgrade my piloting hardware rather than get xmas lights.

Is it cheating? Yes you're using an external program to manage the button press times.

since you're not giving the full input, you're cheating.

Spin it anyway you want, but frankly. this is BS. and the fact you cannot compensate for this yourself shows how bad a player you are.

[Foster Bondroff]

I am just curious how this makro can reduce jamming.

As far as i know the UAC have a flat 25% jam rate. Nowhere is mentioned that this jam rate is affected by the time between the 1st and the 2nd shot. From those informations it should not matter for jamming purposes if you fire the 2nd shot immediatly after the 1st or just moments before the reload time is off. Just that you fire the 2nd shot within the reload time.

But as the macro seems to work there must be some timefactor in the jamming chance, else it would not have such a significiant effect. Would be nice if PGI could bring some light into how excatly the jamming mechanism works.

Edited by Foster Bondroff, 13 December 2012 - 12:11 AM.

[LordBraxton]

In my eyes you are cheating, using technology to bypass a balancing gameplay mechanic is no different than using an aimbot. Grats on your high tech peripherals, just don't use them to play the game FOR YOU.

Added your name to a list, if you are ever a part of a unit\clan I will make sure people know your unit contains cheaters.

Jade Kitsune, on 12 December 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Is it cheating? Yes you're using an external program to manage the button press times.

since you're not giving the full input, you're cheating.

Spin it anyway you want, but frankly. this is BS. and the fact you cannot compensate for this yourself shows how bad a player you are.

This, cant believe I am agreeing with a brony! jkjk peace love

Edited by LordBraxton, 13 December 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Yeah, nice although you can only engage mediums, heavies, assualts (Slower mechs). Lights will bring you down. Would be nice to see you bring lights down in seconds.

[Arkmaus]

Kraven Kor, on 10 December 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Macros are ways to set up complex things to be done simply.

Sort of like writing notes on a piece of paper to bring with you before a test?

lol

Edited by Arkmaus, 13 December 2012 - 12:34 AM.

[Ursh]

This is why I sort of hate cataphracts right now. Boating ballistics to core out center torsos, without being affected by ECM.

[LordBraxton]

Arkmaus, on 13 December 2012 - 12:34 AM, said:

Sort of like writing notes on a piece of paper to bring with you before a test?

lol

He could make it even simpler by just using an aimbot with his macro. He could program a custom button on his fancy mouse to toggle the aimbot on or off, maybe even set up another button to switch between headshot or center torso auto aiming!

Teh future of gaming! b*tches dont know bout my peripherals

Ursh, on 13 December 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

This is why I sort of hate cataphracts right now. Boating ballistics to core out center torsos, without being affected by ECM.

Only the slow as hell 4x and the muromets can boat. So its kind of a pay2win situation there. Dont hate on my 2x, its my favorite and only has 1 ballistic slot!

[RadioKies]

CPUuser123, on 10 December 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Is it cheating? No. I spent $$$ and choose to upgrade my piloting hardware rather than get xmas lights.

You didn't spend it on MWO but gave it to a 3rd party that doesn't benifit PGI. So what boo for you for that comparison... Also there are farming scripts out there and some might even ask money for it, is it cheating if you buy a script from someone? Yes it frggn is! Your excuse is invalid.

A lot of QQing in this thread from people using macro's.. I like the comparison on page 2 with aimbot that LordBraxton did.

Also: ,,It is a very impressive video''... *sigh* rlly?

Logitech G3 master race reporting in. 4 buttons, standard normal mouse layout and I got skill/timing to compensate for "lack" of macro. Besides, your macro'd Ilya Muromets is no match for my cheaper Hunchback 4SP. Deal with it, I'll see you on the battlefield

[Rannos]

Typical pubbie stupidity. Macros don't remove jamming they just make it so the weapons fire one directly after another so they never fire twice in a row. You could do the same thing manually with enough time to adjust to the firing rate. Also, a trip uac5 on chainfire should never jam given their cooldown time.

Edited by Rannos, 13 December 2012 - 01:39 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Rannos, on 13 December 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Typical pubbie stupidity. Macros don't remove jamming they just make it so the weapons fire one directly after another so they never fire twice in a row. You could do the same thing manually with enough time to adjust to the firing rate. Also, a trip uac5 on chainfire should never jam given their cooldown time.

The problem with what he's doing is exactly as you say.

He's using a program, and not his own skill.

He COULD invest the time to learn how to fire those 3 weapons and maximize their potential though his own ability's, however instead, he cheats by having an external program do the work for him.

This is no different in my mind that suicide farming and AFK scripting.

[CPUuser123]

with or without macros, my ability to core you is no different.

a bad player is just not as skilled at leading and training his shots, flanking, focusing on weakened areas, map knowledge, etc.

these players will often complain about anything or anyone more skilled than them, and will look to any potential excuse to use: ecms, lrms, macros, gausscats, streakcats, etc.

unless all mechanics of the game can be standardized, then technically from what all of you are saying, everyone is cheating in some degree. my mouse has 14-programmable buttons. with just 14 buttons, i can bind many more functions on my right hand, leaving my left hand to just WASD. where other players will need to move one hand or the other to obtain the other binds. technically, from your stand point, this is also cheating.

what I do does not manipulate the game in any way shape or form. macros are independent of the application of which they are used in. yes, you can make macros and scripts to afk farm that are independent of the game. however, most terms of service define any automation tasks where the user isnt actively engaged in the game as cheating.

PGI is more than welcome to create a game warden to detect all of these functions and add macros to their terms of service as a prohibited action. i welcome it. it will not effect me. i am sure there will be many more ways for you all to complain about some aspect of your inability to play the game at a level of satisfaction of which you are looking for. unfortunately, there is no endpoint in satisfying all of your needs. you will all continue to complain about something. clearly, satisfying some of you may be nearly impossible.

by PGI making a hard stance against macros, they are alienating themselves from the gaming industry. all gamers have the freedom of choice, and in a very saturated industry, they will change which platforms they play based of their preferences. gamers who choose to use programmable logitech and razer products, will seek games that allow them to use their hardware. however, gamers who choose to play games that prohibit it, will seek games that prohibit it. i cant recall any game that prohibits programmable hardware.

in the end, it is ambiguous. I do not need macros to create destruction in MWO, it just is sure a hell of a lot easier with them. macros remove inefficiencies within the game and allow me to focus more on my piloting and gunnery ability.

certain movement, heat containment, weapon cooldowns and many other factors of the game are inefficient. I create macros for all of these.

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thus, if you happen to stumble across me during the game, you will experience a much higher damage per second in the most heat efficient payload, and see me move in the most efficient way. this is gaming by my definition.

if you are frustrated by this, I apologize. I give out my abilities willingly, hold no secrets and ensure all players can obtain the same.
evidence can be found in my youtube channel: https://www.youtube....23?feature=mhee

[RadioKies]

Are you really 27? You sound (read) like someone who's a lot younger imho: not listening to others, saying things that conflict with your own story/explanation, giving examples that make sense in your eyes and constantly repeating yourself. If you say something enough times you'll start to believe in it, is that your "tactic"? Also, those sentences where you promote yourself to godlike... *shivers*

[anonymous175]

that's racist

[Alexandrix]

Wow,can't believe there's such animosity towards some macro's up in here lol.it's just some key presses that anyone can use macro software or hardware to emulate.is there a gray area on what should be macroable and what shouldn't? Sure,no doubt about that.really i'd rather pgi just made the jame mechanic a barrel/gun heat based mechanic as previusoly suggested,but thats just me.

Coincidentally,i do have a naga,a black widow,and a $2500 pc setup.i don't use the macro myself,but if i started using u/ac5's to any extent and i thought it would cut down on the jamfest headaches,i definitely wouldn't dismiss it as an option to improve my play time.

Anyways,the reason i came into this thread was to ask what the exact cooldown of the u/ac5 is?
Also,what's the "window" of time that a double shot will fire if you press the button again?
I don't use the uac5 much so i was curious.

[dF0X]

Macros giving advantage is simply evidence of bad game design.

PGI are you paying attention?

[N0MAD]

The OP is using a Macro to do something he cant do himself, next he will install an aimbot, thats natural progresion right?.
Pls post the video of you using the aimbot when you start using it.

[Skylen]

CPUuser123, on 12 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Cheats exploit game code or memory usage to obtain data values so that wall hacks, aimbots and the like can be programmed to search for, and attach too these data cells.

all a macro does it set up a predefined pattern of key presses that is outside of the application it is used for. therefore, the macro has no idea nor cares what application it is being used for. it is outside the game and third party. a cheat program, hooks onto the game and can not be ran without the game running also. for instance, if you use my macro in a text editor, when you press the right click it will start typing: 234234234234234234234.

also:
http://mwomercs.com/...-razer-artemis/
razer and pgi are supporting this product (edit: by support at mean at minimum they have it posted on their official forums). most high-end razer products have macro capabilities.

enough with the, this is cheating responses. become a wallet warrior like me. buy MC, lots of MC. buy a razer naga mouse, razer black widow keyboard (there are other products from other manufacturers similar to these), build a $2,000+ rig, and get to mech killin'!

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nuff said.

LordBraxton, on 13 December 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

In my eyes you are cheating, using technology to bypass a balancing gameplay mechanic is no different than using an aimbot. Grats on your high tech peripherals, just don't use them to play the game FOR YOU.

Added your name to a list, if you are ever a part of a unit\clan I will make sure people know your unit contains cheaters.

This is seriously the most ******** post I have ever read on these forums. Holy crap this better be a joke. You remind me in elementary where there was that one little kid that would always tattletale to the teacher and all the kids hated him for it so he had no friends.

OOooh no your making a list.. are you checking it twice??

Edited by Skylen, 16 December 2012 - 02:11 AM.

[Taizan]

Strelitzia, on 10 December 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Using macros to compensate just seems like cheating to me...

Using third party software to gain an advantage would be the correct term imo.