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[Max Power]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 December 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Ah yes, because QQing on a public forum is a closed private conversation.
And my post related precisely to the viability of said "option" and the overall irrelevance to the situation. Just because you are unable to put something in context, doesn't obligate me to spoon feed you , but I did just now for your convenience.

Take a look a the post in question, it was a direct question to me. Yeah, it's in a public forum, but it was still directed to me. Do you answer everyone one on the street that calls out to someone?

You are the only one not able to put things into context. Quit trying to use multisyllabic words to try and sound like you know anything.

Edited by Max Power, 11 December 2012 - 12:46 PM.

[Lee Ving]

Penance, on 11 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

even if he is, he has a point. every board I go to, someone posts an innocent question, and people jump down a person's throat..

internet tough is real tough....that's his point.

Keep white knighting.

If you showed up to a court case regarding a contested contract, and when questioned as to why you were attemping recission (returning to a state prior to forming the contract) you said because you didn't read it, you'd get laughed out of the court after being judged against. That's essentially what has happened here.

What you call an innocent question I call laziness, or an inability to do minimal research to develop/argue a position.

[Colaessus]

Please keep in mind that this is not a finished product, as MW:O is in OPEN BETA Phase 2/3 and many changes may not be in the final product.

We are sorry that you are not liking the product at the time, but like all other Internet purchases.
Read all the small print before accepting EULA.

If you are not able to read, please reconsider the next time you take your dads credit card to buy a product.

[Bishop Steiner]

Max Power, on 11 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Take a look a the post in question, it was a direct question to me. Yeah, it's in a public forum, but it was still directed to me. Do you answer everyone one on the street that calls out to someone?

You are the only one not able to put things into context. Quit trying to use multisyllabic words to try and sound like you know anything.

you need a thesaurus to come up with that there big word?

[Sifright]

Shadowsword8, on 11 December 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Do you REALLY think a company, or for that matter, a society, could function if the customers could buy a product, use it, and get fully refunded afterwards? That's so irrealist that it means either a severe lack of logic, or an egocentric mindset (of course it can't work if everyone does it, but "I" should be entitled to...).

Buwhahaha, Yes you giant *****. Any one with any sense would accept that this premise 100%.

In the UK we have a stutatory right to get a refund on a product with 21 days if we buy realise it's not what it was advertised as or doesn't fit the purpose we needed it for or just don't like it and get a FULL refund.

Oddly enough our country didn't collapse!

But man **** consumer rights. We should just let companies dictate everything to us that surely couldn't go wrong at all could it!?

Edited by Sifright, 11 December 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[Ryvucz]

Save yourselves some time, skip to 2:56

[Max Power]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 December 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

you need a thesaurus to come up with that there big word?

No, it's a regular everyday word for me. You tend to pick up 'big words' when you educated yourself and don't have your head stuck up your ***.

Also, nice retort. I see you did go back over the posts and saw that you were in fact, butting in with no clue.

/tiphat

[Alois Hammer]

Penance, on 11 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

even if he is, he has a point. every board I go to, someone posts an innocent question, and people jump down a person's throat..

Except that's not what happened here. The

CPT Hazel Murphy, on 11 December 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I've been talking to PGI and I'm on the brink of never playing this game again, let alone spend money on it.

part of the original post took it straight from "innocent question" to "somebody tell me Support is lying to me 'cause I don't like their response, waaaah" territory.

[Penance]

Nadia Winson, on 11 December 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Keep white knighting.

If you showed up to a court case regarding a contested contract, and when questioned as to why you were attemping recission (returning to a state prior to forming the contract) you said because you didn't read it, you'd get laughed out of the court after being judged against. That's essentially what has happened here.

What you call an innocent question I call laziness, or an inability to do minimal research to develop/argue a position.

White knighting, I'll stick up for someone from time to time.

I've argued my position as far as a credit card chargeback is concerned, I work in the industry, I don't know all the rules, but I understand what I am allowed to do when it comes to these things, and what I can and can't dispute. So, I know what I'm speaking about regarding that, I deal with it everyday. He could call the bank, tell them the situation and they will tell him the policy regarding online purchases. they may even tell him to not bother and that it's lost already. Mentioning a contract dispute that goes to court isn't even in this realm regarding purchasing...the contract here, is vastly different from what you mention. Me taking my boss to court becuase he breached a labor contract is very different from buying something online. No court rooms needed, just the banks, a reciept and a reason. AND if this were to go to court, the mere notion itself nuts, would go to small claims court since the amount in question is under $2000 (at least in the US, and I HOPE under $2k)...not a huge trial court as you seem to think, no jury involved.

THE BANK has to decide that the OP is right in his feeling, and they will decide if he gets his money back. They'll speak to PGI and ask them if they tried to rectify it. PGI will probably tell them the policy, and then go from there. I don't think the OP has a chance of winning, still, why tell him not to bother? Is your time being wasted? is your money? no? then why do you care so much? so you can hate, and be internet tough.

Alois Hammer, on 11 December 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Except that's not what happened here. The

part of the original post took it straight from "innocent question" to "somebody tell me Support is lying to me 'cause I don't like their response, waaaah" territory.

You aren't wrong, but, that quote doesn't say much and leaves a lot open to interpretation. He doesn't say if he was being ignored, told "NO REFUNDS" or whatever. If PGI has tried to make him happy, we don't know. If they're ignoring him, we don't know. He never tells us. Just that he didn't like the experience he had, in a very vague way. Maybe they outright told him no, and he's upset they denied him, then, I agree 100%, he be crying. Still, it's his money, and he wants it back, let him try, it makes no difference to me if he wins or loses, nor should it bother you or anyone else who's posting in this thread.

Could he be whining? Possibly. Do any of us here have the final say as to what the outcome will be? Nope. The fact that people attack the guy for wanting one is ridiculous, even if he may have not explained it in the right way.

Edited by Penance, 11 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[BatWing]

Pyr3x, on 11 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

You are just mad because you do not understand the concept of "beta" and I am just mad because you are ignorant and I have to read posts like this all day from other people just like you. So my suggestion is to just be a man and walk away and play another game that makes you happy like Tetris, it's been out of beta for quite some time now and is far less complicated and best of all it's free and you don't have to ask for a refund should you feel it's unbalanced or lacking content.

Hehehahe.. i love this one

Well.. if Master Pyr3x allows it, i may be stealing this great statement for future needs There is plenty of use for this here around!

Oh and.. Pyr3x.. I am not gonna pay you copyrights on that... otherwise i might have to ask you a refund when this will not amuse me anymore

[bob1234567890]

CPT Hazel Murphy, on 11 December 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Is there anything as far as a EULA, or Terms of Use Agreement that states, "All MC purchases are final"? I've been talking to PGI and I'm on the brink of never playing this game again, let alone spend money on it.

Call your bank, say you didn't make the purchase and have the bank cancel and refund. If you do this within a week of the transaction you can get a refund from your bank and they can't legally bill you without proving you consciously made the purchase. That being said, if this was 3 weeks ago good luck getting it canceled.

[Penance]

bob1234567890, on 11 December 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Call your bank, say you didn't make the purchase and have the bank cancel and refund. If you do this within a week of the transaction you can get a refund from your bank and they can't legally bill you without proving you consciously made the purchase. That being said, if this was 3 weeks ago good luck getting it canceled.

Right, since the purchase i'm guessing is the founders pack, those are all things they'll consider, and ask why now? OP will say it's broken or something like that, and that's not true....so as I said, and as you say, he'll most likely loose, but why so adamantly tell him to not bother? OP made a mistake and now learns from it....or not.

Edited by Penance, 11 December 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[Lee Ving]

Penance, on 11 December 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

White knighting, I'll stick up for someone from time to time.

I've argued my position as far as a credit card chargeback is concerned, I work in the industry, I don't know all the rules, but I understand what I am allowed to do when it comes to these things, and what I can and can't dispute. So, I know what I'm speaking about regarding that, I deal with it everyday. He could call the bank, tell them the situation and they will tell him the policy regarding online purchases. they may even tell him to not bother and that it's lost already. Mentioning a contract dispute that goes to court isn't even in this realm regarding purchasing...the contract here, is vastly different from what you mention. Me taking my boss to court becuase he breached a labor contract is very different from buying something online. No court rooms needed, just the banks, a reciept and a reason. AND if this were to go to court, the mere notion itself nuts, would go to small claims court since the amount in question is under $2000 (at least in the US, and I HOPE under $2k)...not a huge trial court as you seem to think, no jury involved.

THE BANK has to decide that the OP is right in his feeling, and they will decide if he gets his money back. They'll speak to PGI and ask them if they tried to rectify it. PGI will probably tell them the policy, and then go from there. I don't think the OP has a chance of winning, still, why tell him not to bother? Is your time being wasted? is your money? no? then why do you care so much? so you can hate, and be internet tough.

Nice screen door batman. Glad to know you work on the side of an industry making money hand over fist off the backs of the working class, and simultaneously help to deprive merchants of money for goods delivered. Kudos to you, clearly you're sticking up for the underdog here, not someone who made a whim purchase and regrets it.

Wait, signing a End User License Agreement, which is a contract between a user and the licensor, has nothing to do with contract law? BRILLIANT CONCLUSION SIR!

Huge court trial? Where did I even mention a trial? A binding arbitrator would laugh this off of his desk, and small claims still has a judge. Derp, redherring much?

Edited by Nadia Winson, 11 December 2012 - 01:45 PM.

[Pyr3x]

BatWing, on 11 December 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

Hehehahe.. i love this one

Well.. if Master Pyr3x allows it, i may be stealing this great statement for future needs There is plenty of use for this here around!

Oh and.. Pyr3x.. I am not gonna pay you copyrights on that... otherwise i might have to ask you a refund when this will not amuse me anymore

haha, Of course.

[Helmer]

Aaaaand we're done here.

Thanks for those (few) who took the time out to constructively answer the OPs question.



Nothing to see here... move along....move along....


Closed and Cheers.