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[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Daiichidoku, on 12 December 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

you think you could ever get even remotely near that damage total without 7 other teammates taking hits for you, etc?


thank you for playing, heres a board game version as a parting gift for playing "lack of forethought when posting"

come again!

We take hits too. Just an fyi. In fact I often block LoS on an enemy that's shooting at me just so another ally can shoot him in the back while he's hurting no one. If you're ever in a 2vs1 situation, the guy being the target of the enemy can just worry about defense, not damage, while the other shoots the lone enemy with impunity until they get stripped or switch targets.(In which case you then change back to offense while they shoot at your friend) They can't shoot at both of you at the same time. But I'm rambling. I know things like this are way over your head.

[LanceUy]

Mechwarrior0311, on 12 December 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

more damage doesn't always mean the best. The two light mechs that caused the enemy team to split in half, giving your main force the advantage, arent lesser beings because they did less damage.

Agreed. I love pilots like these. It can mean the battle.

[Sevaradan]

LanceUy, on 12 December 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Title says it all. Sorry for the rant. How many have frustrations like these also?

one of the many reasons i dont pug

[zhajin]

MadPanda, on 12 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Oh do I hate it...

Not sure what you are running to pull 1000 damage with only 1 kill (lrms?), But it always suprises me how proud people are of that kinda thing....

[Daiichidoku]

Bluten, on 12 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

We take hits too. Just an fyi. In fact I often block LoS on an enemy that's shooting at me just so another ally can shoot him in the back while he's hurting no one. If you're ever in a 2vs1 situation, the guy being the target of the enemy can just worry about defense, not damage, while the other shoots the lone enemy with impunity until they get stripped or switch targets.(In which case you then change back to offense while they shoot at your friend) They can't shoot at both of you at the same time. But I'm rambling. I know things like this are way over your head.

wow you are amazing, you know what everyone else is doing on the battlefield at the precise
moment you pro your way through all obstacles and challenges

point is, having high damage while teamamtes have little proves NOTHING, necessarily, save that you may have had a bit of luck positionally and in timing in addition to your own deliberate actions


or is that over your head?

[LanceUy]

zhajin, on 12 December 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Not sure what you are running to pull 1000 damage with only 1 kill (lrms?), But it always suprises me how proud people are of that kinda thing....

MadPanda was able to pull that by distributing the damage across the enemy mechs but didn't take much of them out. He had effectively softened up a good number of the enemy. In that battle, if his teammates were able to pull some more damage, they would have won easily as most of the enemy is already weakened.

[Havyek]

Depends.

I imagine that sometimes people look at nothing but stats at the end of the game and think that it tells the story of the match.

In my CTF 2X I run a sniper config of GR/ERPPC and routinely cause other snipers and LRM 'Mechs to duck for cover by popping their CTs at 900m. I also pick up a lot of kills/XP for spotting and doing damage to other 'Mechs that thought they were in the clear, stopped to get a clear shot and then take my shots in their chest.

I routinely place top 3 on the board with kills/assists and XP with only 200-300 damage. Mostly because my damage is focused.

[Raidyr]

Years of World of Tanks has taught me to cope with being the only competent player on either team.

[Taizan]

I love people who think everyone else isn't doing anything because they have 1000+ damage, as long as the rest of the team all have some damage proving they were active during the match.

While one guy is just spamming rockets/AC/gauss rounds etc. the rest are distracting or flanking the enemy, picking at them so the one dude can carelessly bring down one target after another and then he writes "Lol thanks for not pulling your weight." when everyone did 250-500 damage. This is such a wrong attitude for a team game with multiple roles, opportunities, varying opponents and differences in weapon load outs. If I know I have one or two guys on my team that can do massive damage when given the opportunity, I will do my best to see to it that they get this opportunity so we can win the match.

[MadPanda]

zhajin, on 12 December 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Not sure what you are running to pull 1000 damage with only 1 kill (lrms?), But it always suprises me how proud people are of that kinda thing....

My effective range was about 200m, no lrm's at all. I was running my brawler atlas (you can check the build on my sig). The low kill count is only due to being attacked by multiple enemies constantly. When I blasted one mediums (hunchies) arms and side torsos off they ran around the corner and I couldn't follow because I was being attacked by multiple other enemies. That's how they kept themselves alive and finally managed to bring me down. And yes I was quite proud of my performance in that game, however the sadness of my team was stronger.

[Stubbs]

Stroke....Stroke...Stroke...

[Joseph Mallan]

LanceUy, on 12 December 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Title says it all. Sorry for the rant. How many have frustrations like these also?

Nope.

[Apoc1138]

LanceUy, on 12 December 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

MadPanda was able to pull that by distributing the damage across the enemy mechs but didn't take much of them out. He had effectively softened up a good number of the enemy. In that battle, if his teammates were able to pull some more damage, they would have won easily as most of the enemy is already weakened.

or in other words, by not concentrating on a single target till it was destroyed, he allowed the enemy team to pick off his team mates one by one without losing any of their effectiveness

Edited by Apoc1138, 12 December 2012 - 08:34 AM.

[stjobe]

Elizander, on 12 December 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

It's actually 33 damage to kill a mech with a headshot in MWO.

Well, if you want to be pedantic, 33 is to completely destroy full armour and all internal structure.
You can get away with 19 points on a fully armoured head if you get a crit, and less than that for a less-than-fully armoured head.

[Wildger]

That is an unfair statement. I drove a missile boat or a streak cat. There is no way I can deal that much damage. But I did contribute to get several assist and sometime 1 or 2 kills.

[Sifright]

Daiichidoku, on 12 December 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

wow you are amazing, you know what everyone else is doing on the battlefield at the precise
moment you pro your way through all obstacles and challenges

point is, having high damage while teamamtes have little proves NOTHING, necessarily, save that you may have had a bit of luck positionally and in timing in addition to your own deliberate actions


or is that over your head?

Dude come off it, when your pugging the vast majority of players are terribad.

I know when I pug solo i often rampage through the other team with my SRM-6 Cat shooting off side torsos in a salvo each time neutering mechs to ensure the rest of my team can actually do anything.

Most of the time I end a match with 1k+ damage and 3-4 kills and a few assists.

I can take screen shots if you want but his game play experience is much like my own.

You go around tearing the other team apart like a wrecking ball whilst your team mates struggle to punch a medium laser into the exposed ct of the enemy mechs you've left shattered and almost completely destroyed behind you.

[parman01]

Are we talking about 2v8 matches?


Actually this screen isn't exactly the thing because PUGs were great live shields. And enemies we're stupid enough to shoot them and not this huge Atlas in back line that's killing their team.

But sometimes they just....die and suddenly i face alone 4 enemy mechs. I'm definetly not saying omg noobz L2P cause everyone was noob once. But if matchmaking was at least a little bit skill-based i think both sides would enjoy match more. Are they planing something like this in phase 3?

[Daiichidoku]

Sifright, on 12 December 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

Dude come off it, when your pugging the vast majority of players are terribad.

I know when I pug solo i often rampage through the other team with my SRM-6 Cat shooting off side torsos in a salvo each time neutering mechs to ensure the rest of my team can actually do anything.

Most of the time I end a match with 1k+ damage and 3-4 kills and a few assists.

I can take screen shots if you want but his game play experience is much like my own.

You go around tearing the other team apart like a wrecking ball whilst your team mates struggle to punch a medium laser into the exposed ct of the enemy mechs you've left shattered and almost completely destroyed behind you.

then ur teammates are at least doing the job of being chaff, allowing you to complete your thrice blessed holy crusade of aweskickassiveness that shrouds you in elite level pro godhood pwndum

[Valleros]

I couldn't care less. As long as I feel like I've done my part, I'm content.

[Sifright]

Daiichidoku, on 12 December 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

then ur teammates are at least doing the job of being chaff, allowing you to complete your thrice blessed holy crusade of aweskickassiveness that shrouds you in elite level pro godhood pwndum

Not really, I'm almost always the first person to charge into the enemy team (I like playing as a berserker)

usually what happens is my charge into their lines disrupts their team formation badly as I kill off a couple of mediums and tear a a few side torsos off any cataphracts I pass (if i'm lucky they have XL engines and die too) Then my team mates come up the rear and finish off the badly damaged mechs (most of the time my team mates go "bweable blurble blurrrr" and then turn around split up and drip feed them selves into the remaining mech forces)

I could work together with one or two pugs in the match but honestly I just don't find it fun to play grid defense warrior online.


Edit: to be clear this is when I'm pugging. When i'm playing in premades of any size and can trust my team mates things change an awful lot.

Edited by Sifright, 12 December 2012 - 08:49 AM.