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[Pycnopodia]

I love Pay 2 Win games, paying to win with money is easy. Playing to win by spending tens of hours to become skilled at a game is another story. Anyone can spend a few dollars on a game but not everyone can play games every day or week, so Pay 2 Win are in my opinion more fair for everyone. If you dont think the game is worth your money then no one is forcing you to play it


Anyway, I was thinking about buying something fun in this game, but what happens when the game is actually released? Will hundreds of dollars worth of stuff be lost forever?

[yashmack]

MWO is not pay to win
the items you purchase will not disappear, the devs have said there will be no more resets

[The Verge]

I have a tale to tell about this beta experience and spending cash. After the last beta patch I played, I Lost all of my GXP that I had used to upgrade my Jenner and Raven and Cat classes. This I believe was cause by the game not noticing I had activated my account. So I lost about $50 of money, and had nothing to show for it in a game I used to love outright. I'm now playing the current build, but it is impossible to get any of the GXP Pilot unlocks due to only about 100 to 200 GXP points being rewarded per match. And since I can't purchase any of these upgrades...It makes me sad. A lot of things about the game make me sad. But this is the biggest. Worst thing about it being that I have no idea who to contact. Perhaps Phil Lang, or one of the NGNG casters can help me get in contact with a person inside PGI to resolve this. Though honestly; If my account was reset, with my founders pack all fresh and new, that would fix it. But, what do I know? I just spend $30 to try a new cataphract mech, then get cored every match since the hit box for the core extends above the head and below the legs. But from any reviewer of games; they will say "THIS, IS, BETA!" and I will agree, "BUT THIS, IS, MY CASH!"

[Bguk]

I.....I.........I can't.

[Kobold]

V3rg3r3, on 12 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

I have a tale to tell about this beta experience and spending cash. After the last beta patch I played, I Lost all of my GXP that I had used to upgrade my Jenner and Raven and Cat classes. This I believe was cause by the game not noticing I had activated my account. So I lost about $50 of money, and had nothing to show for it in a game I used to love outright. I'm now playing the current build, but it is impossible to get any of the GXP Pilot unlocks due to only about 100 to 200 GXP points being rewarded per match. And since I can't purchase any of these upgrades...It makes me sad. A lot of things about the game make me sad. But this is the biggest. Worst thing about it being that I have no idea who to contact. Perhaps Phil Lang, or one of the NGNG casters can help me get in contact with a person inside PGI to resolve this. Though honestly; If my account was reset, with my founders pack all fresh and new, that would fix it. But, what do I know? I just spend $30 to try a new cataphract mech, then get cored every match since the hit box for the core extends above the head and below the legs. But from any reviewer of games; they will say "THIS, IS, BETA!" and I will agree, "BUT THIS, IS, MY CASH!"

support@mwomercs.com ?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

yashmack, on 12 December 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

MWO is not pay to win
the items you purchase will not disappear, the devs have said there will be no more resets

so the game is live then? Cause they were gonna reset at launch but if there arent going to be any more, ever then ob was launch by their own definition

[Pycnopodia]

yashmack, on 12 December 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

MWO is not pay to win
the items you purchase will not disappear, the devs have said there will be no more resets

Ive been a fan of the mechwarrior series ever since I got MW2 bundled with a rage 3dfx card for my old IBM Aptiva computer, it looked like this.

The opening cinematic was the best CGI I had seen at that point.

I liked outfitting my mech with 8 weak machineguns and rip enemies apart from close range, or snipe with as many gaus rifles as my mech could carry.


Im gonna try this game when I get home, I used to love World of Tanks until I realized that game is not skill based but lottery based (RNG determines winner).

Hopefully MW:O is more challenging.


Thanks for the reply, I will download and try this out later, cant wait =)

[yashmack]

V3rg3r3, on 12 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

I have a tale to tell about this beta experience and spending cash. After the last beta patch I played, I Lost all of my GXP that I had used to upgrade my Jenner and Raven and Cat classes. This I believe was cause by the game not noticing I had activated my account. So I lost about $50 of money, and had nothing to show for it in a game I used to love outright. I'm now playing the current build, but it is impossible to get any of the GXP Pilot unlocks due to only about 100 to 200 GXP points being rewarded per match. And since I can't purchase any of these upgrades...It makes me sad. A lot of things about the game make me sad. But this is the biggest. Worst thing about it being that I have no idea who to contact. Perhaps Phil Lang, or one of the NGNG casters can help me get in contact with a person inside PGI to resolve this. Though honestly; If my account was reset, with my founders pack all fresh and new, that would fix it. But, what do I know? I just spend $30 to try a new cataphract mech, then get cored every match since the hit box for the core extends above the head and below the legs. But from any reviewer of games; they will say "THIS, IS, BETA!" and I will agree, "BUT THIS, IS, MY CASH!"

did you contact support?
http://mwomercs.com/support
support@mwomercs.com

they should be able to restore any GXP you lost, especially if it happened as recently as the last patch
now, if you lost it in the patch going from closed to open beta you will not get that back as that was the last reset done by the devs

[Kaijin]

V3rg3r3, on 12 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

I have a tale to tell about this beta experience and spending cash. After the last beta patch I played, I Lost all of my GXP that I had used to upgrade my Jenner and Raven and Cat classes. This I believe was cause by the game not noticing I had activated my account. So I lost about $50 of money, and had nothing to show for it in a game I used to love outright. I'm now playing the current build, but it is impossible to get any of the GXP Pilot unlocks due to only about 100 to 200 GXP points being rewarded per match. And since I can't purchase any of these upgrades...It makes me sad. A lot of things about the game make me sad. But this is the biggest. Worst thing about it being that I have no idea who to contact. Perhaps Phil Lang, or one of the NGNG casters can help me get in contact with a person inside PGI to resolve this. Though honestly; If my account was reset, with my founders pack all fresh and new, that would fix it. But, what do I know? I just spend $30 to try a new cataphract mech, then get cored every match since the hit box for the core extends above the head and below the legs. But from any reviewer of games; they will say "THIS, IS, BETA!" and I will agree, "BUT THIS, IS, MY CASH!"

Umm, send an email to support?
http://mwomercs.com/support

[yashmack]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

so the game is live then? Cause they were gonna reset at launch but if there arent going to be any more, ever then ob was launch by their own definition

no, its still beta... says so on the little picture at the top, and all throughout the game...
beta is defined by the developers and no one else

[Yawarakai Te]

yashmack, on 12 December 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

no, its still beta... says so on the little picture at the top, and all throughout the game...
beta is defined by the developers and no one else

I would like to hang a cow sign on every bull in a paddock full of bulls, then ask you to milk them.

[Rex Budman]

[yashmack]

Yawarakai Te, on 12 December 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I would like to hang a cow sign on every bull in a paddock full of bulls, then ask you to milk them.

but cows dont have developers and as such are defined by science... as cows, not bulls...
if you want to take that a bit further just take a look at MWO
it claims to be beta and in fact plays like one
There are some broken mechanics that developers are working on, theyre constantly monitoring customer feedback and making improvements to the game
They have plans in place to flesh out missing gameplay mechanics as well a community interaction and combat mechanics
MWO is a basic shooter right now, much less than what is planned
The game has flaws and they are working to correct them
They offer the game as free to play and are now allowing anyone to play as part of an open beta project
I dont understand how anyone can even conceivably consider this a fully completed game... its preposterous!

[Lin Shai]

Yawarakai Te, on 12 December 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I would like to hang a cow sign on every bull in a paddock full of bulls, then ask you to milk them.

He shoots, he scores.

PGI apologists are so damn funny. It's like "Words? Words don't have definitions, it's whatever PGI says they mean!".

Edited by Lin Shai, 12 December 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[Khan Reaper]

Here we go again with the "this isn't a beta" arguement.

You found the game, or were invited to it. It said in the email, "You are invited to play in the Mechwarrior Open Beta" or, you clicked on a link that took you to a page that said MechWarrior Online Beta. You downloaded this game, with the mindset that "This is a beta". You played for a bit and then came to the conclusion "This game is hardly complete. This ISN'T a BETA!!!"

How? Just how? Amazing.

[yashmack]

Im baffled by this as well...

[Lin Shai]

Khan Reaper, on 12 December 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Here we go again with the "this isn't a beta" arguement.

There's actually not an argument. You can't have an argument over a fact. Words have definitions.

It's like saying two people are arguing over what an aardvark is. They aren't; one person knows what an aardvark is, and the other is holding up an armadillo and saying "Look! It's an aardvark".

[yashmack]

the word "beta" is not defined in the dictionary in terms of software testing

http://dictionary.re...browse/beta?s=t


beta  

be·ta [bey-tuh or, esp. British, bee-] Show IPA
noun
1.
the second letter of the greek alphabet (β, .
2.
the consonant sound represented by this letter.
3.
( initial capital letter ) Astronomy . a star that is usually the second brightest of a constellation: The second brightest star in Taurus is Beta Tauri.
4.
Chemistry .
a.
one of the possible positions of an atom or group in a compound.
b.
one of two or more isomeric compounds.
5.
the second of any series, as in chemistry or physics.
6.
Also called beta coefficient, beta line. Stock Exchange. an arbitrary measure of the volatility of a given stock using an index of the volatility of the market as a whole: A beta of 1.1 indicates a stock that is 10 percent more volatile than the market.
7.
( initial capital letter ) Trademark. a brand of tape format for VCR tape, incompatible with other formats. Compare VHS.
8.
Chiefly British . a grade showing that a student is in the middle or second of three scholastic sections in a class. Compare alpha ( def 7 ) , gamma ( def 9 ) .

Now, when taking the slang definition into consideration is says this:


Slang Dictionary
beta

/bay't*/, /be't*/ or (Commonwealth) /bee't*/ n.
1. Mostly working, but still under test; usu. used with `in': `in beta'. In the Real World, systems (hardware or software) software often go through two stages of release testing: Alpha (in-house) and Beta (out-house?). Beta releases are generally made to a group of lucky (or unlucky) trusted customers.
2. Anything that is new and experimental. "His girlfriend is in beta" means that he is still testing for compatibility and reserving judgment.
3. Flaky; dubious; suspect (since beta software is notoriously buggy).

So, as a beta is considered mostly working but still under test, how is MWO not a beta?
care to explain how the definition is wrong and youre right?

Edited by yashmack, 12 December 2012 - 11:29 PM.

[Asmosis]

V3rg3r3, on 12 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

I have a tale to tell about this beta experience and spending cash. After the last beta patch I played, I Lost all of my GXP that I had used to upgrade my Jenner and Raven and Cat classes. This I believe was cause by the game not noticing I had activated my account. So I lost about $50 of money, and had nothing to show for it in a game I used to love outright. I'm now playing the current build, but it is impossible to get any of the GXP Pilot unlocks due to only about 100 to 200 GXP points being rewarded per match. And since I can't purchase any of these upgrades...It makes me sad. A lot of things about the game make me sad. But this is the biggest. Worst thing about it being that I have no idea who to contact. Perhaps Phil Lang, or one of the NGNG casters can help me get in contact with a person inside PGI to resolve this. Though honestly; If my account was reset, with my founders pack all fresh and new, that would fix it. But, what do I know? I just spend $30 to try a new cataphract mech, then get cored every match since the hit box for the core extends above the head and below the legs. But from any reviewer of games; they will say "THIS, IS, BETA!" and I will agree, "BUT THIS, IS, MY CASH!"

you sure that wasnt closed beta? there was a reset going to open beta and your MC was refunded. Your a founder so its clear you were playing before open beta.

PGI's use of the "open beta" phrase is certainly stretching its meaning. A beta is something you test, not something you pay to play. The current state of the game and its payment model is identical to a released F2P game so its really just lip service.

The final reset was the end of the player testing cycle more or less, unless you consider every MMO in existence to be in "open beta" because they are continually releasing new content that is "untested" by players.

Edited by Asmosis, 12 December 2012 - 11:34 PM.

[Khan Reaper]

You're correct. We can't argue over a fact. The fact is, if you scroll up to the top of the page, and read the little blue word under "Mechwarrior Online", it says "Beta". But somehow, this argument still exists.