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[GalaxyBluestar]

Kazuar, on 12 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Ah, but that's the beauty of it. Regardless of label, they're dependent on generating revenue now. The more to take break now (from paying, that is), the lesser the chance to still have a game to return to...

If only I had a chance to properly play it...

yep this is one of the main problems, many people with their recomendations that is actually breaking the game... lrn2play noob - raven ecm streak recomendation shortly after. then there's the take a break, many have and that's why we're at a poor stat of affairs with just the mechwarrior geeks stranded here.

[Gaeb]

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

You obviously have zero understanding of marketing if you think it's reasonable for people to take off for 3-9 months and still have interest in a title. I've already proven to myself that I can't take off two months and come back to a better product.

They've already missed the boat in terms of Christmas Merch. I'm not sure who's manning the wheel.

Pretty sure they could have manifested some decent coin this holiday season with little plushy Atlas dolls with velcro break away limbs and Dual Gauss Cat plush just to take the ****.

I'm not even looking at the game from a customers point of view anymore, but from someone who doesn't reward bad/idiotic or lackluster business practices.

Woah, are we back on topics of substance since your ad hominems fell so flat? NEAT! I'm game!

Ok. Well, I have a fair understanding of marketing. I don't think that's the issue here. As I've mentioned (and you seem to have glossed over) they're not really that far along in their development cycle - about 6-12 months behind a decent MMO. I don't think their launch will be a "good" game. I think their launch +6 months will be a "solid" game. I also think they are aware of their key opportunities (of which there are many: netcode, new user experience, balance, matchmaking) and are working on it.

The difference between you and me is, I don't demand they fix XYZ by tomorrow, because I know its not possible. I am patient and willing to wait through the beta (and several months afterward) to see if they deliver a compelling, balanced game. I'm also not making hysterical declarations or insane ultimatums, because I know their next 6-12 week schedule is already locked (hello project management) and that any real changes to that plan will be post-launch.

Long story short - I don't think their marketing is flawed. The word Beta is right there in the title.

[PANZERBUNNY]

I actually didn't read your response, because it's obviously a waste of time. You keep vomiting the same responses into the public sphere. It's fairly tiresome actually.

Add something original beyond "it's beta because it is" or find something else to do.

[Gaeb]

Lycan, on 12 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

And what are you other accomplishments? Since you seem to have been there and done it all. And in such magnitude that us poor earthly mortals couldn't hope to compete with your vast and encyclopedic knowledge of how the internet, lvideo games and software development works/progresses.

Eh, just an avid gamer, but since I'm inebriated enough:
Code dev on SoT and Infinity MUDs, top tier player on a bunch of randoms
Multiple FPS mods developed in my teens (Marathon, Doom, Quake)
Raid leader on one of the first four EQ servers, among the first to waken the sleeper and kill Quarm, etc.
Raid leader in WoW on a guild that went from 8th on server to 2nd as a result, 2 hour lair kills pre-BC
Raid leader on top (laugh/snort/sniggle) guild on SWTOR server pre... uh, 1.2? I quit early, boring game

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Taking a break isn't going to fix the game or make it anymore enjoyable. That's what the developers are suppose to do.

There's this thing called time. Developers need it. You seem to think it doesn't exist. Trust me, I know more about the time sinks of setting up a complex process than you do.

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However, if you think that singing the "It's beta" song is the cure to end all ills you're sadly mistaken. As has been pointed out countless times, and you've chosen to bury your head in the sand and go "LALALALALAL BETA BETA BETA LALALALA", it doesn't matter what the company chooses to call the state of their game. What does matter is the perceptions of that target/market audience.

I get it. Your rear is en fuego. May I recommend taking a few months off and coming back when the devs have had some time to work, if the current game is so frustrating?

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

I actually didn't read your response, because it's obviously a waste of time. You keep vomiting the same responses into the public sphere. It's fairly tiresome actually.

Add something original beyond "it's beta because it is" or find something else to do.

In short "I'm better than you, take a break kid" ... right?

[PANZERBUNNY]

No seriously. Add something original.

Your debate skills are garbage.

[Kazuar]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

[...]Long story short - I don't think their marketing is flawed[...]

Maybe it ain't. But if they have to grab money this early in the project, their business plan sure seems to be...

Edit: Or it's the classical story of an greedy publisher leaving poor, but dreamful devs with less money than is sane... heard that often enough in the interwebz...

Edited by Kazuar, 12 December 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Gaeb]

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

No seriously. Add something original.

Your debate skills are garbage.

Technically, kiddo, debate skills are about responding to your opponent's valid points. You've been dodging like a butterfly all night. I have no problem with that - you are a butterfly. A beautiful, beautiful Canadian butterfly (aside: Isn't Canada too cold for butterflies?) ... but at the end of the day,

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

I don't care that you're neither educated enough nor qualified to do my job. Nor do I care that you're neither educated enough nor qualified to do the dev's job.

Really the only thing that I care about is that you can't understand what the word Beta means.

[Vassa]

They are charging money for Mechs. They are charging money to convert XP into GXP. They are charging money for cockpit items. As far as I've heard they aren't going to be charging money to play the game.


At what point does it stop being 'Beta'?

I really feel the $50 I plopped down entitles me to a functional game that is even marginally a simulation of the Boardgame "Battletech"

Short of the mech skins I am not getting anything approaching 'Battletech'. Nor am I getting anything approaching a PLAYABLE game. CTDs, non-functional damage, arbitrary rules changes, non-existent content.

They add up to me feeling that I wasted my money...

Edited by Vassa, 12 December 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[GalaxyBluestar]

AND HEEEEE'SSSS DOWN FOR THE COUNT!

[Gaeb]

Beo Vulf, on 12 December 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I was /sighing at the whining. Get a clue.

No - I get it, I wanted to say I was THOROUGHLY enjoying picking on the whiners.

[El Death Smurf]

Lycan, on 12 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

And what are you other accomplishments? Since you seem to have been there and done it all. And in such magnitude that us poor earthly mortals couldn't hope to compete with your vast and encyclopedic knowledge of how the internet, lvideo games and software development works/progresses.



"You keep using that word, I don't think that word means what you think it means . . "

Taking a break isn't going to fix the game or make it anymore enjoyable. That's what the developers are suppose to do.

However, if you think that singing the "It's beta" song is the cure to end all ills you're sadly mistaken. As has been pointed out countless times, and you've chosen to bury your head in the sand and go "LALALALALAL BETA BETA BETA LALALALA", it doesn't matter what the company chooses to call the state of their game. What does matter is the perceptions of that target/market audience.

And that perception is, for the most part, that this game {REDACTED}.

lets be clear here "Beta" is the second leter in the Greek alphabet. FACT. after that, if you want to argue about how anyone else wants to use or missuse the word feel free to beat that horse.

The Game Dev's already gave their definition of what they considered Beat of this game, and they communicated that well. anyones inability to interpret the given explination of the state of this game is clearly looking of a blade sharpener, becaus they have an ax to grind. (see this whole nine page, and counting, post)

I spent my $60, and i was explicitly told in a clear post by the Devs that they moved into what they call "open Beta" and that i can expect bugs and unfinished work for a while. I am enjoying the game, more and more every patch.

meanwhile, at the Justice League...

[Gaeb]

Vassa, on 12 December 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

At what point does it stop being 'Beta'?

At launch.

PS: And 6 months after that, we'll probably have a good game.

[PANZERBUNNY]

won't ever stop.

Once IS is "done" clan will be brought in and it will continue.

The Beta of this game will never end, hence why people need to stop using it as a crutch for all the crap they screw up.

Sort of like WWiionline.

[DevilJade]

Edited by DevilJade, 12 December 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

At launch.

PS: And 6 months after that, we'll probably have a good game.

and the come back kid has done it!!! what a fight ladies and gentlemen what a fight!

seriously though that's the real score and the truth this game will get an official launch date for live and then our complaints will really carry weight. so i'm just chillin for the next patch and hoping for success cause this can be a great game.

[Gaeb]

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

won't ever stop.

Once IS is "done" clan will be brought in and it will continue.

The Beta of this game will never end, hence why people need to stop using it as a crutch for all the crap they screw up.

Sort of like WWiionline.

... I struggle to see your issue here. May I recommend you get a degree in an appropriate field, apply for a job at PGI, and speed up the process? Or do you just feel entitled and think these things should magically happen for you? If so *I HAVE A WAY* ... take 6 months off.

GalaxyBluestar, on 12 December 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

and the come back kid has done it!!!

Srsly was there ever a perception I was behind ? I was trying to be civil. Forum rules and all...

[Vassa]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

At launch.

PS: And 6 months after that, we'll probably have a good game.

There won't be a launch if there are only 20 people playing the game. If they are at the point of charging CASH for items they should be well past the point of arbitrarily changing the game rules and have the 'BASIC CODE" done already.

[Lanessar]

The problem exists in the dev's slowness in addressing issues Closed Beta testers told them about 2 months before it went live.

The problem exists in the fact that there are eight posts over 20 pages in length about the pricing and not one staff member has responded to a single one (even stating "things aren't changing, suck it up").

THAT is what is deteriorating confidence in the product and the development path. I don't want Garth posting about medium lasers being OP under DHS, or snarky comments about philosophical discussions about bears carping in coffee shops.

Answer the stuff that comes up 500X, and have several posts with math, good player input, etc. with good feedback.

Otherwise, as every person has said, this isn't beta anymore.

Do you know of a single beta where thoughtful end-user feedback, from over 1500 users, is ignored? For a full month? Hell, even M$ does a better job on their Win8 feedback.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Srsly was there ever a perception I was behind ? I was trying to be civil. Forum rules and all...

no but i backed ya when my popcorn was running low and my tooth fell out.... it's just a bit of fun

[Gaeb]

Lanessar, on 12 December 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Do you know of a single beta where thoughtful end-user feedback, from over 1500 users, is ignored? For a full month? Hell, even M$ does a better job on their Win8 feedback.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH only 1500? Yes, I've been in larger beta rage threads.

But in answer to your earlier q
1) Pricing - see 12/18 economic changes (who knows what will happen, but myself, you and plenty others have complained about price points)
2) Beta - See the rest of this thread. Really. Its not a hard word to understand. Really.

Give it time. This game is pretty darn young in its development cycle.

Edited by Gaeb, 12 December 2012 - 07:42 PM.