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[HERO KILLER]

Been gone for 3 months or so waiting for the controller part of this game to be worked on.

Guess I will try again in 3 months. That $120 Founders pack for 15 minutes in game. Priceless.
Not a rant but at 48 yrs. old I am not going to screw around to get either my x-45 or my g40 to work.

[Vulpesveritas]

Youngblood, on 11 December 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Why do you have pets? Is MWO not fulfilling enough in the leisure time of your life? IS IT NOT?

No opinions on the Silverstone 90-degree-turn cases, then? Googling returns mixed reactions for me.

My opinion: they're great at being efficient. In terms of themodynamics, it does make the most sense. Especially if you use passive cooled setups, though for your CPU it will do better. Blower-style GPUs will do fine or better as well, though many aftermarket heatsinks are made for standard cases in mind, and as such may not be as effective, but that depends largely on the heatsink design.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Hi there.I am about to upgrade CPU so i need advice .
I just upgraded my graph card to Sapphire HD 6670 1GB DDR5 and I have 4GB DDR3 RAM
My motherboard here http://www.asrock.co...%20UCC/?cat=CPU .
Now i need advice which processor I should put in.Now i have AMD x2 250 @ 3,0 GHz .
I would like to buy http://www.cpu-world...FGMBOX%29.html.
So what can ya tell me?

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Thought I'd ask this here: anyone tried out or thought about buying the Club3D Radeon HD 7870 joker card? It's supposed to be a Tahiti (7900 series level chip) between the 7870 Ghz Ed price and the 7970 / 7950 price. Also able to Crossfire with 7900s as well - seems interesting to me, so I thought I'd ask about them here.

PowerColor and one other brand are doing 7870 versions of Tahiti, too, dubbed "Tahiti LE" since it's a 7900 series chip locked down so it's above 7870 Ghz performance. All this just to cover the price gap, apparently. If you have one or are buying one of those instead, the question still holds for that too.

Not sure if I'm interested - Cat, meet curiousity, is all.

EDIT Apparently it's just Powercolor and Club 3D, the Powercolor Tahiti LE is already up on Newegg for 259 USD, and is called the PCS+ Radeon HD 7870 MYST. Edition.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 11 December 2012 - 08:47 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Aside from the dead link, a Phenom II X4 will do you fine and be a worthwhile upgrade.

[Youngblood]

Vulpesveritas, on 11 December 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

My opinion: they're great at being efficient. In terms of themodynamics, it does make the most sense. Especially if you use passive cooled setups, though for your CPU it will do better. Blower-style GPUs will do fine or better as well, though many aftermarket heatsinks are made for standard cases in mind, and as such may not be as effective, but that depends largely on the heatsink design.

Well, I've already slapped an H100 on my CPU. The GPU's a WindForce 3x, so it vents heat in four different directions a.k.a. all over my case. My primary concern right now with my Fractal Arc Mini is still the typical Micro-ATX problem where the GPU is staring down right into the bottom-mounted PSU. Currently I have the main fan of the PSU pointed straight up right back at it (was a bit of a pain turning its main cables around back for management), but I'm not sure how much I'm really doing for the GPU this way.

...I still need to drop 25 bucks to get two more fans on my H100 for push-pull.

[Youngblood]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 11 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Thought I'd ask this here: anyone tried out or thought about buying the Club3D Radeon HD 7870 joker card? It's supposed to be a Tahiti (7900 series level chip) between the 7870 Ghz Ed price and the 7970 / 7950 price. Also able to Crossfire with 7900s as well - seems interesting to me, so I thought I'd ask about them here.

PowerColor and one other brand are doing 7870 versions of Tahiti, too, dubbed "Tahiti LE" since it's a 7900 series chip locked down so it's above 7870 Ghz performance. All this just to cover the price gap, apparently. If you have one or are buying one of those instead, the question still holds for that too.

Not sure if I'm interested - Cat, meet curiousity, is all.

EDIT Apparently it's just Powercolor and Club 3D, the Powercolor Tahiti LE is already up on Newegg for 259 USD, and is called the PCS+ Radeon HD 7870 MYST. Edition.

Would be interesting to see how this card compares to a 6970. You can pick up a 6950 for the same price as the current price of the Tahiti LE and unlock it....

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Youngblood, on 12 December 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Would be interesting to see how this card compares to a 6970. You can pick up a 6950 for the same price as the current price of the Tahiti LE and unlock it....

Well let's put it this way. Take the 7870 Ghz Ed frame rates from the OP here, and according to the reviews I read add about 7.5% FPS to that, and you have the Tahiti LE speed. That way you have a rough comparison in this threads OP vs the 6970.

Oh and by the way, I know from looking that at least one, probably more, are working on a way to unlock the Tahiti LEs so that they're most of the way back to being full Tahitis.

[Vulpesveritas]

Youngblood, on 12 December 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Would be interesting to see how this card compares to a 6970. You can pick up a 6950 for the same price as the current price of the Tahiti LE and unlock it....

A Pitcairn 7870 ghz edition is about 5-10% faster than a 6970 at stock, and the Talahi LE 7870 is 5-10% faster than the Pitcairn card.

End point; you should probably go with the 7000 series.

[Youngblood]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 12 December 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

Well let's put it this way. Take the 7870 Ghz Ed frame rates from the OP here, and according to the reviews I read add about 7.5% FPS to that, and you have the Tahiti LE speed. That way you have a rough comparison in this threads OP vs the 6970.

Might work, though I'm sure other internals like memory controllers and such mean that the progressive performance increase isn't linear between the two classes.

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Oh and by the way, I know from looking that at least one, probably more, are working on a way to unlock the Tahiti LEs so that they're most of the way back to being full Tahitis.

That would be sick and evil and I would want one to CrossFire whenever MWO gets around to officially supporting it!

Vulpesveritas, on 12 December 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

A Pitcairn 7870 ghz edition is about 5-10% faster than a 6970 at stock, and the Talahi LE 7870 is 5-10% faster than the Pitcairn card.

End point; you should probably go with the 7000 series.

Guess so, especially since the architecture sucks less power can do more per stream processor--we'll see about those unlocks (though I fear physical modification will be involved).

Edited by Youngblood, 12 December 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Physical modification...? Not sure. It's mostly that Tahiti LE is a Tahiti, but with shader units and such locked in off-states so that the performance can sit between a 7870 Ghz and a 7900 series. While that may be physical, I doubt it - personal opinion, not fact of any kind - since I haven't seen any diagrams of the die, I can't compare the two Tahitis to each other to see if there was a physical change made.

That's usually not how it's done though. My general understanding of this is that, what happens is hardware side-code "governer" is added to the hardware and/or it's drivers, that - with time and ingenuity - can (sometimes) be soft-coded around. Hackintoshes - where Mac OS is run on a PC or PC hardware, or third party software that allows proprietary programs (coughMicrosoftOfficecough) to run withOUT certain pre-requisites in use (coughWindowscough) are already existing examples of this.

Honestly, in this case, I think it's possible. As long as the original secondary units of the Tahiti GPU are still physically present (which in these cases, nine times out of ten they still are), it's probably only a matter of time before someone figures out how to re-enable them. Whether they share this with John Q Public is another matter.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 12 December 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[crazymohawk86]

i have a in win dragon rider case , 600watt thermaltake psu , amd 1100 blck edition sabertooth 990fx mb, trencend 8gb ram with 1 inch Aluminum coolers , evga gtx 560 super clocked 2gb of ram 1 tb seagate hd....

[Gremlich Johns]

CPU cooler reviews to go with the case

I use the Antec 620 in an Antec 900 case with an FX-4100. Idle temp at 1400rpm is currently 28 deg C. Max has been 50 deg C so far. I am considering slapping a scythe 120mm on the inside to push more air through for grins. Even OC'ing the FX-4100 t0 4GHz hasn't raised temps significantly.

Regardless, whatever case you get should be able to funnel lots of air.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 15 December 2012 - 09:24 AM.

[BlackArab]

Kasiagora, on 13 June 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Thank you very much for this post, Thomas, and thanks to everyone else for your inputs as well. I haven't had a flight game since Jane's Fighter Anthology other than the Ace Combat games on my PS2, and it's been so long since I've Mechwarriored that the last joystick I bought was a Cyborg 3D that has a 9-pin cable. I've been doing a lot of research in anticipation of MW:O and the discussion here has brought up numerous points that I had no idea about.

That being said I was wondering if anyone could answer questions about modifying or cleaning joysticks. I don't really have much disposable income and although I'm willing to splurge on something worthwhile, I'm going to try and ghetto rig something together first. So!
– Has anyone tried adapters? The Steel Battalion controller was made for Xbox and there's an adapter for USB but I was wondering if it works; if the computer recognizes all of the inputs. Another thought is if I bought a 9-pin to USB adapter if that would work? I've only seen one on Newegg and I'm not holding out much hope on its success.
–If potentiometers start displaying spikes, could they be cleaned safely or replaced with Hall Sensors at a reasonable price? An aunt and uncle of mine had a HOTAS Cougar years ago that I'd played with and loved at the time. They've never been tight with money and if they still have it lying around I might be able to get it for free but I'm sure it was one of the first ones made. I'm wondering if it would be worth the trouble to try cleaning it up or modding it. I don't know what type of plug theirs had, but it was long enough ago that it's probably not compatible anymore leading to the adapters question again.

P.S. Thanks for the note on Saitek being owned be Mad Catz. I bought a few different controllers made by MC'z a few years ago for a multi player night on the PS2s and all of them broke with just a few weeks of play time. It sounds though, that Saitek probably has their own team doing the upper-tier joysticks judging from your reviews, but I'll definitely steer clear of the lower-end models.

I played Mechwarrior Mercenaries with the Thrustmaster Cougar and thoroughly enjoyed using it and that was before the mod for the stick was available.
Cost me If I can remember £350 at the time and that was just the stick mod. I didnt mod the throttle because I never had a problem with the pots or gimbals. Thrustmaster will always send you spare pots if you do. I still have a few spares left somewhere that I ordered for the stick before the mod. I got the mod mainly because of the gimbals developed too much play and was making it less accurate. After mod the stick is even better and is still perfect today even though I haven't used it since Lockon. I now fly civil which I use a yoke for. Was searching the web months ago for any surprising news about Mechwarrior when I came up against this installment's vid on Youtube. It looks like their site has new software compitble with the WartHog and the cougar. good thing I kept all my Foxy config files. Now its time to dust off that old trusty dusty thursmaster Cougar.

Edited by BlackArab, 15 December 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[Desert Panther]

Whats the point with all the joysticks/hotas if MWO aiming system is absolutely joystick/controller unfriendly... Its more of a twitchcontrol FPS style aiming than actual simulator aiming. MWO is developed to play with mouse/kyeboard.

[Zashel]

If i had the funds, i'd build a WC'ed i7, GTX 690, Asus z77 ITX mobo, Bitfenix Prodigy case rig. it looks 10x better then anything CM, Rosewill, and most of NZXT has. Fractal makes nice cases, but im suprised i havent seen the two kings of silverstone here, the Fortress 02 (my case, love it) or the TJ7 (TJ11 if you want a MONSTER case). they're definitly on the upper end of the price spectrum but they're very nice cases. the TJ08E is also a slick little ******, and it cools like a winter breeze.

[Squirrelleh]

the site says I can run it on high settings, but the game says "NO!!!" when I crank the settings down to low...

[Gwynnbleidd]

Huh, it seems I have to get some RAM. *phew* At least someting that's not that expensive XD

I expected my GPU to handle this game. That thing has double heat sinks!

[Bosko89Buha]

Those "can you run it" apps never work good. Based on them, I would never play Far Cry 3, Max Payne 3, this, Hawken, and some other games. What I do, before buying the game I just download an illegal copy to check if it works. That's the most reliable way and I don't see anything wrong with doing that to save my time and money if game won't work. I get this message for MWO:




Sorry, the Game-o-Meter estimates that the overall performance of your system is under the publisher’s minimum requirements.
Even though your computer has all the required hardware features the performance is estimated to be poor, even at the lowest possible visual settings.

• Insufficient processor performance is the most likely cause.
  
• Insufficient video card performance is the most likely cause.

(the bar showing performance for my system is slightly above half of the minimum requirements bar)

And I can run it on low so smoothly that I'm thinking about trying it on medium, but I seem to be forgetting to change the settings every time.
AND I don't have a PC, I have a notebook - Toshiba Satellite P-500 model made for Adriatic region, i5 2.26GHz, GeForce GT330M GPU and 4GB RAM, 64-bit Win7. So... uhm, no, this applications don't work.

[Bosko89Buha]

Yep, medium settings work like a charm also, 1280x720 resolution. "Can you run it" fails.