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[KerenskyClone]

Im thinking of building a new rig, Im definitely going for a s.2001 motherboard. Am I correct in assuming that I should just get the cheapest one possible (with a warranty obviously) as I doubt Im going to be upgrading anything without replacing the MBO any time soon?

[Silmaril]

I would like to confirm a theory.

While building my system I was running into some instability and one of my graphic card tools (HIS) indicated some problem in regards to the power that the card was receiving. Sadly I have no volt meter and the tool does only give a simple christmas tree indicator (red/green). I believe that i might have maxed out my PSU.

This is the PSU: XFX Pro Series P1 1250W

System:
AMD FX-8150 @ 4.5/4.6 GHZ
AMD Liquid Coling System
ASUS Crosshair Formula-Z
GSkill 16GB @ 2133mhz
2*Radeon 7970 Ghz Ed @1050
1*Vertex SSD
1*Velociraptor HDD
NZXT LCD Fan controller
8 fans

Ideas?

[Egomane]

Silmaril, on 17 December 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

I would like to confirm a theory.

This is the PSU: XFX Pro Series P1 1250W

System:
AMD FX-8150 @ 4.5/4.6 GHZ
AMD Liquid Coling System
ASUS Crosshair Formula-Z
GSkill 16GB @ 2133mhz
2*Radeon 7970 Ghz Ed @1050
1*Vertex SSD
1*Velociraptor HDD
NZXT LCD Fan controller
8 fans

Ideas?

That PSU should normaly be capable of handling this system with ease and a lot of power to spare. I would say it is oversized by at least 400 watts. If there really is a problem with the energy supply of your cards, you might have a defective unit or a problem with your connectors.

Did you try running single cards? Did you switch the connectors around? Please tell us, what type of testing you did already, so we can make better assumptions (can't do more without access to your hardware )?

[Sp4wNers]

Actually that's bull..... OP. Sorry but in my coutntry 7850 price is about 320$. For GTX 670 i have to pay about 500$. For 7970 Ghz Edition about 550-600$. Even my GTX 570 Phantoms are about 380$ for one.

[Silmaril]

It's more than likely a defective unit. If I recall correctly, the problems started once I put the second 7970 into the box. I went ahead and pulled my old XFX Pro 650w out, looped it through and connected one of the GPU's as well as the EATX12V_2 and what is called the 12V EZ_plug to it. The system now seems to be stable at 4.6Ghz again. Thanks for helping out!

[Hawk Drakkarsson]

I have a Tempest Evo case. Was just wondering if I could get some input on it. I love the air flow, lots of space, and never had a single heat issue even when 1 of my top fans died(I replaced it ASAP just to be safe). I did add an extra PCI fan to pull heat off the GPU since there was a deadzone there. Thanks.

[Youngblood]

Sp4wNers, on 18 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

Actually that's bull..... OP. Sorry but in my coutntry 7850 price is about 320$. For GTX 670 i have to pay about 500$. For 7970 Ghz Edition about 550-600$. Even my GTX 570 Phantoms are about 380$ for one.

Not everyone lives in Poland, I'm afraid.

[Vulpesveritas]

Sp4wNers, on 18 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

Actually that's bull..... OP. Sorry but in my coutntry 7850 price is about 320$. For GTX 670 i have to pay about 500$. For 7970 Ghz Edition about 550-600$. Even my GTX 570 Phantoms are about 380$ for one.

I thought Poland doesn't use the dollar system? This guide is really only applicable to the USA and Canada unfortunately as prices in other parts of the world vary considerably, and a large portion of the playerbase is from the USA + Canada which use the dollar system.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 18 December 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 December 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

I thought Poland doesn't use the dollar system? This guide is really only applicable to the USA and Canada unfortunately as prices in other parts of the world vary considerably, and a large portion of the playerbase is from the USA + Canada which use the dollar system.

I just assumed it was a translation error or soemthing of that nature that he used the $. I believe with it following the number that's more along the lines of the Euro symbol.

[ionus redhand]

the only ones you should trust are yougamers as TC noted and game-debate. as game-debate has actually played the games (most of the time) that they have cyri for and yougamers is owned by futuremark systems ( 3dmark 11).
system req. lab and canyourunit are both jokes. neither of which support laptops (laptops should refer to notebookcheck.com (available in other languages such as german and french) 100% of the time and should outright consider ALL others wrong (game-debate sometimes works but i wouldnt trust them all the time))

furthermore you can ask me. THE IonusX, the human C.Y.R.I. encyclopedia! bring me your queries i shall put them straight
ref. :http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28810140/pc-amp-mac-game-requirements-5---can-my-pc-run-this-game-questions-here?page=0

[fxrsniper]

I would stay away from ASRock completely there in the Process of being bought out by Asus. Remember you get what you pay for, most of the ranges and board choices are garbage. If you're wanting to upgrade set a budget Most people can build around it, posting biased products in every post on this forum for all hardware is not helpful. You say a lot of these ASRock boards have better specs and features I say they have a worse Quality rating which is way the company was created by Asustek in the first place lower Quality= lower price, I've been in this business for 18 years, it's like arguing over which is better iphones or Android

Edited by fxrsniper, 20 December 2012 - 05:28 AM.

[fxrsniper]

cipher, on 31 May 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

Then practice what you preach...



Are you crazy? That should be more like...
1. AMD 7000 & NVIDIA 600 series (only 670 & 680 are Kepler core)
2. AMD 6000 & NVIDIA 500 series
3. AMD 5000 & NVIDIA 400 series

I love how you left out "GeForce", but you included "Radeon HD" in all of the names. You can just drop both or add both. Your AMD fanboism, OP, screams in this thread. I'm sick of seeing it on these forums. In short, stop comparing Intel, NVIDIA, and AMD if you can't keep your fanboism in check. And no, it's not spreading facts, it's spreading biased opinion.

All 600 series is Kepler core ranging from GK104/106/107
To the OP

Top five recent graphics card series in order of GPGPU performance;
1. AMD Radeon HD 7000 series (7750 on up)
2. Nvidia Geforce GTX 500 series (all)
3. Nvidia Geforce GTX 400 series (460 on up)
4. Nvidia Geforce GTX 600 series (670/680, others fall in as Nvidia 500 series.)
5. AMD Radeon HD 6000 series
Note that in more or less all cases, the high end processors in all these lines are going to have an exponential increase in GPGPU performance, save in the Geforce GTX 600 series.
You may want to opt for a slightly poorer gaming card if you decide you want to use GPGPU.
Not exactly sure where you get your info or rating , but they are incorrect how can the 600 series be lower than 500/400 series, there Equal to if not better than any of the 7000 series
Your Quote I do recommend the 7970 ( a factory OC'd version.) Powercolor has a PCS+ at 1100mhz (faster than the vtx one above) which will be faster than a 680, you'll save a bit, completely obliterats a 680 in GPGPU, and you'll only consume 20 watts / hour more. lmao ok
This entire post should be deleted due to biased and inaccurate information

Edited by fxrsniper, 19 December 2012 - 04:27 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Catamount, on 31 May 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

No, Cipher, Vulpes is correct in his information there. The Geforce 600 series is nowhere near the Radon HD 7000 series in GPGPU performance. It's actually very bad at GPGPU.

This is old news

http://www.theinquir...870-gpu-compute


It varies from test to test of course

http://www.anandtech...x-680-review/17

But generally speaking, that last test by Anandtech was the only one in which even the 680 managed to significantly beat the 7970 or even its predecessor, the 580! (and don't forget to include the above article as yet another failed test). Not only does the 680 fail to generally overcome the 7970 in GPGPU, and get beaten savagely when it does get beaten, but that article mentions that it couldn't even run some of their GPGPU tests! Given the margins and frequency of wins/losses, I might be willing to stick the 600 series next to the 500 series, and below the 7000 series in GPGPU, but given that last fact, I'm not even inclined to be that charitable.


Expanding our sample a little further, here are more tests:

http://www.brightsid...e.aspx?pageid=4

On that page, compared to the 7970, the 680 loses 8 of 10 tests if we count the two performance measures in each separately (which we shoudl; they measure two different things), and loses 5 of them very, very badly, as in, the 7970 is multiple 680s worth of performance. Of the two it wins, one is nearly a tie anyways, while it scores only one notable victory in 10 tests (admittedly doing very well there, but just the same...).

There was one further test in that review where the 680 could score some points, albiet it questionable, here:
http://www.brightsid...e.aspx?pageid=6

Clearly the test is rather dysfunctional if "hardware accelarated" performance is worse than CPU-only, but finding tests where the 680 doesn't fail abjectly isn't easy, so I figured it was worth a mention, even if it doesn't remotely change the overall picture.


So no, Vulpes was not being a fanboy, and his information was completely correct. The 680 is a fantastic gaming card, but it performs miserably in GPGPU, just like he said.

I understand that you want accurate information given here, but you should research other posters' claims before you declare them wrong.


I guess the clarification never hurts though. Now the OP has citations

lmao at the people here, the 600 series is no where near the performance as the 7000 series lmao. Have you seriously lost your mind I will say fanboy because that what's going on here giving out false info when there's hundreds of articles and benchmarks proving otherwise stop posting do mor research then come back it's that simple
OpenCL is the currently dominant open general-purpose GPU computing language. The dominant proprietary framework is Nvidia's CUDA, which is the same for AMD

Edited by fxrsniper, 19 December 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[GL Chozo4]

fxrsniper, on 19 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I would stay away from ASRock completely there in the Process of being bought out by Asus

Links to any reports regarding this? O.o'

All I've seen is reported rumours about Asus making offers back since September.. followed by the rumour being reported yet again in October when it reached another reporting site 'semiaccurate'. Ever since the first reporting back in September there has been nothing to prove it as any more than just a rumour such as any official responses from either side or further reports to confirm it. Considering all reports are saying the same thing followed by that there is no confirmation shows they are spinning off the same single information tidbit.

Just because there are offers doesn't mean it will amount to anything... >.>

Edited by GL Chozo4, 19 December 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Silmaril, on 17 December 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

I would like to confirm a theory.

While building my system I was running into some instability and one of my graphic card tools (HIS) indicated some problem in regards to the power that the card was receiving. Sadly I have no volt meter and the tool does only give a simple christmas tree indicator (red/green). I believe that i might have maxed out my PSU. Just keep in mind there is a difference between true power and rated power eff.
Which is why I use Seasonic there best there is when it comes to true power they also design Antec, Corsair Memory, XFX

This is the PSU: XFX Pro Series P1 1250W

System:
AMD FX-8150 @ 4.5/4.6 GHZ
AMD Liquid Coling System
ASUS Crosshair Formula-Z
GSkill 16GB @ 2133mhz
2*Radeon 7970 Ghz Ed @1050
1*Vertex SSD
1*Velociraptor HDD
NZXT LCD Fan controller
8 fans

Ideas?

Just curious why you went with a 1200 watt PSU 950 watt would have been fine your cards are only 500 watts together at load. I do not believe you've maxed it out, also you would start seeing things stop working starting with fans

Asus P8Z68 V Gen 3 Board, Intel i5 2500k @ 4.4 overclocked
Kingston DDR3 1600
Corsair H80 CPU liquid cooler
Dual Nvidia GTX 560 ti superclocked @900Mhz SLI
Seagate 250g
Western Digital Cavier Black1.5 terabyte Hard drive
Seasonic 80 plus platinum 860 watt powersupply
CoolerMaster Haf 932 case
3 230mm fans
1 140mm fan
4 120mm fans

Edited by fxrsniper, 19 December 2012 - 03:14 PM.

[fxrsniper]

GL Chozo4, on 19 December 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Links to any reports regarding this? O.o'

All I've seen is reported rumours about Asus making offers back since September.. followed by the rumour being reported yet again in October when it reached another reporting site 'semiaccurate'. Ever since the first reporting back in September there has been nothing to prove it as any more than just a rumour such as any official responses from either side or further reports to confirm it. Considering all reports are saying the same thing followed by that there is no confirmation shows they are spinning off the same single information tidbit.

Just because there are offers doesn't mean it will amount to anything... >.>

Just going by the same articles you do know that ASRock was sister company of Asustek it is possible

[fxrsniper]

Zashel, on 15 December 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

If i had the funds, i'd build a WC'ed i7, GTX 690, Asus z77 ITX mobo, Bitfenix Prodigy case rig. it looks 10x better then anything CM, Rosewill, and most of NZXT has. Fractal makes nice cases, but im suprised i havent seen the two kings of silverstone here, the Fortress 02 (my case, love it) or the TJ7 (TJ11 if you want a MONSTER case). they're definitly on the upper end of the price spectrum but they're very nice cases. the TJ08E is also a slick little ******, and it cools like a winter breeze.

Bitfenix Prodigy is a tiny micro case and you think it looks better than any CoolerMaster http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811345016 I have the CoolerMaster Haf 932

Edited by fxrsniper, 19 December 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Hawk Drakkarsson, on 18 December 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have a Tempest Evo case. Was just wondering if I could get some input on it. I love the air flow, lots of space, and never had a single heat issue even when 1 of my top fans died(I replaced it ASAP just to be safe). I did add an extra PCI fan to pull heat off the GPU since there was a deadzone there. Thanks.

Not really a dead zone you do have the fan in the door I hope it will blow air towards the card. Just remember you have to keep a positive air flow, and if you're not having heat issues then I would have to say you're good to go. As long as you have all 8 fans you should fine

[Vulpesveritas]

fxrsniper, on 19 December 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Just going by the same articles you do know that ASRock was sister company of Asustek it is possible

But at the same time Asus has been moving production of all of their products away from Pegatron, which is AsRock. So it wouldn't make sense to be both buying and moving away from a fab unless they had some insane idea of wanting to blow up the fab or something.

[DocBach]

Kravenous, on 21 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I agree, the Sabertooth 990fx is an awesome and sexy motherboard. For a Mechwarrior rig it is hard to beat the olive drab, coyote tan, and black color scheme! If only it were easy to find color coordinated accessories.

i have an MSI GD55 in this case:



I now believe I have to get one of those olive drab and coyote Asus mobos to complete it, thanks for making me spend $200 more dollars guy