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[Youngblood]

+1 to the comment about the sad, sad CPU bottleneck.

*starts saving up for a Socket 2011 motherboard*

What. What are you looking at, me?

[Youngblood]

DV McKenna, on 01 January 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I wouldn't put too much faith in that, those results look a little off to me, seeing as i can run the 2500k and 670 and never see less than 57FPS with Vsync, its in the 100+ range without, but i prefer Vsync on.

I really want to see a recorded run of your rig, so I can be jealous.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Youngblood, on 01 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I really want to see a recorded run of your rig, so I can be jealous.

Next time i do some drops, i will record for you have not tried it with the 670 yet, with the 580 i used to have i know it had a pretty decent impact on the FPS tho.

There is a thread around here with some screenshots of me playing across 3 1080p screens with 30 ish FPS.

Edit : http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1595392

Edited by DV McKenna, 01 January 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[Youngblood]

DV McKenna, on 01 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Edit : http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1595392

Yup, I remember that thread. Thanks in advance, good sir!

[Silmaril]

Gotta backup[color="#cccccc"][/color]DV McKenna in regards to his Bulldozer comments. I was running a FX-8150@4.6 ghz and crossfire 7970s@1.1Ghz, the performance was nowhere where it should have been.

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[Vulpesveritas]

Piledriver 8320 even at stock doesn't seem to be exhibiting Bulldozer's problems according to this thread. Though there needs to be more sources before I can really say that for certain; http://mwomercs.com/...e-observations/

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Vulpesveritas, on 02 January 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Piledriver 8320 even at stock doesn't seem to be exhibiting Bulldozer's problems according to this thread. Though there needs to be more sources before I can really say that for certain; http://mwomercs.com/...e-observations/

Which is a good sign, however i'd like to see somone with a beefier GPU than in that post, to see if they still get the dips below 30FPS on a single monitor.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

DV McKenna, on 02 January 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Which is a good sign, however i'd like to see somone with a beefier GPU than in that post, to see if they still get the dips below 30FPS on a single monitor.

Well, I plan to upgrade the GPU on my current Trinity APU rig, I just don't know when I will - I need some data on Richland, etc, before I pull the trigger. But, if no one's answered that request by that point, I'll be happy to test it out for you, DV. Although if you need it tested above 1680x1050 resolution I can't help ye there until I up' both the monitor and GPU.

EDIT Of course, this would be a pure test of Piledriver rather than an 8320. I think a "before and after" would suffice, but if not suitable for your purposes, I understand.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 02 January 2013 - 02:59 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 02 January 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Well, I plan to upgrade the GPU on my current Trinity APU rig, I just don't know when I will - I need some data on Richland, etc, before I pull the trigger. But, if no one's answered that request by that point, I'll be happy to test it out for you, DV. Although if you need it tested above 1680x1050 resolution I can't help ye there until I up' both the monitor and GPU.

EDIT Of course, this would be a pure test of Piledriver rather than an 8320. I think a "before and after" would suffice, but if not suitable for your purposes, I understand.

Any testbed information we can get of Piledriver is useful, obviously in a sensible format, 720p,1080p basically anything that is a standard resolution anyone may game at, and depending on peoples timescales, different game settings so we can see what is going on.

[DocBach]

Building a computer for my cousin on a very limited budget for this game and Planetside 2 - FX 8320s are on sale right now for about $30 more than a 4170 - which should I grab? Time sensitive question sale ends in a couple hours.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Depends on the budget, because he will need a good GPU to match.

If you can get a good GPU (AMD HD 7850>) and an 8320 that would be best, else you have to take a good blend of the two.
Given it's a very limited budget, i personally would opt for the Phenom II 965, it is still an AM3+ socket for future upgrade to piledriver when cash is available, and is still a good gaming chip.
It is also slightly cheaper than the 4170

The builds of the week thread is still a good place to get ideas.
http://mwomercs.com/...ds-of-the-week/

Edited by DV McKenna, 02 January 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[DocBach]

what about a 6300 with a 7850?

[Oderint dum Metuant]

It should be ok, the 6100 scores around the 30 FPS mark in the benchmark above and that was on the poor bulldozer design, and as much as i think that benchmark has errors in it, it is currently the only information we have.

In theory a 6300 and 7850 should be fine, and likely will be fine, once PGI sort out the optimization.

one thing i have heard, is the stock CPU cooler is pretty crap ( dunno if AMD changed them lately) so if you can budget for a cheap after market cooler like the Hyper Evo 212

[DocBach]

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Toshiba 640GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
Case: Apex Vortex 3620mini MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: OEM GPB500S-B LS550 Black Power Supply

Budget build for my cousin - using a left over hard drive pulled from my laptop, comes out to about $550.

[Vulpesveritas]

DocBach, on 02 January 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Toshiba 640GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
Case: Apex Vortex 3620mini MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: OEM GPB500S-B LS550 Black Power Supply

Budget build for my cousin - using a left over hard drive pulled from my laptop, comes out to about $550.

I would recommend getting a 970 chipset motherboard instead if you can, as well as a standard mid tower instead of a micro atx mid tower. Also that PSU is of an unknown brand, and I highly, highly recommend you get a quality power supply from a trusted manufacturer. given your budget you'll probably have to knock down the price, if you lower the GPU to a 1GB 7850 and use that laptop HDD you should be able to use the majority of my $600 BotW and come out with a better system for upgrading down the line.

That's just what i recommend however.

[DocBach]

He's going to be using it in the living room like a gaming console and doesn't have the space for a mid-tower, so he needs a smaller form factor to fit on his entertainment center. The OEM power supply is made by Ultra and has a lifetime guarantee, so I don't feel too bad about it. Could have gotten up to a 700 watt for the same price with MIR, but I wanted the cash savings then because I don't think he'll ever use that much power, or send in for a rebate.

Trying to talk him in to a 7870. From the benchmarks I've seen the 6300 is pretty capable at games as long as its paired with a competent GPU.

[Youngblood]

Vulpesveritas, on 03 January 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

I would recommend getting a 970 chipset motherboard instead if you can, as well as a standard mid tower instead of a micro atx mid tower. Also that PSU is of an unknown brand, and I highly, highly recommend you get a quality power supply from a trusted manufacturer. given your budget you'll probably have to knock down the price, if you lower the GPU to a 1GB 7850 and use that laptop HDD you should be able to use the majority of my $600 BotW and come out with a better system for upgrading down the line.

That's just what i recommend however.

If you're recommending the 970-chipset motherboard because of the uncooled VRMs on his mobo, I would have recommended the GA-78LMT-USB3 as a Micro ATX alternative. It has the same VRM heatsink as on Gigabyte's 970 (4+1 VRM) offering. As long as no overclocking is done, the MSI budget board is more than likely to work.

Edited by Youngblood, 03 January 2013 - 11:18 AM.

[DocBach]

Youngblood, on 03 January 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

As long as no overclocking is done, the MSI budget board is more than likely to work.

Everything is going to be on stock clocks, no way to really fit any sufficient cooling solutions for playing like that.

[Vulpesveritas]

DocBach, on 03 January 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

Everything is going to be on stock clocks, no way to really fit any sufficient cooling solutions for playing like that.

Actually there are plenty of ways, but that requires a higher budget than what you're looking at.

In any case, there are a couple of changes I would recommend making.
First off the case, this rosewill case will run cooler and quieter for the same or lower price given what I've seen looking around the web, and is also all black for a cleaner look. Lastly it supports USB 3.0. Also, assembly is toolless so you don't have to worry so much about losing screws; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811147166

Second, this gigabyte motherboard is slightly cheaper and comes with a USB 3.0 header. Also the board has a VRM heatsink. Overall it is a better board for less $$$ coming in at $55 after MIR (at least via Newegg.) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128565

Third, after doing research on the Ultra power supply, there are reports of them dying from capacitors popping and the power supply is not even 80+ certified. It's not exactly a good power supply. Also, I've never heard good things about Ultra's customer service at actually getting their warranty, even if it is available for lifetime after registration.
This power supply is only $5 more after tax, shipping, and MIR, and is a much better power supply from a company which is renowned for it's top-end customer service;
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139027