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[cipher]

Arthwys IronHand, on 13 June 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

I had horrible Nvidia experience I never EVER want to repeat.

What was your horrible experience?

[Catamount]

Now, now, cipher

You're right, of course, but no need to reduce this to criticizing typing/lingual skills. Remember, even spelling at least 80% of a post right puts one ahead of at least 50% of the internet

Edited by Catamount, 13 June 2012 - 06:53 AM.

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cipher, on 13 June 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

You seem to think a stock cooler can't handle overclocking, let alone Turbo mode.

cipher who in the hell uses stock coolers for overclocking anyway. For Turbo boost/core stock cooling is fine, as it is if you do not intend to overclock at all. The stock cooler may be able to handle a small base clock boost, but still I for one will not use a cooler designed ahd rated for stock clock speeds to push my CPU to a speed 25-30% higher than the base clock.

[Vulpesveritas]

Orion Pirate, on 13 June 2012 - 04:48 AM, said:

WOW, that first card recommendation is really a nice card! I notice that it only requires one power plug, which is very nice for me. I think that might fit in my case. I believe that the extra 15 watts my system should be able to handle. I have a 400w PSU, I can get the rail Amp if need be.

Are there any NVIDIA cards you could recommend that are a similar size as the Powercolor you recommend above? Looking at many of them, they all require two power plugs, is this a problem to upgrade to? I assume not if the power draw of the new card is similar to my 8800...

Thank you!

P.S. I was worried that PCI-e 3.0 would not be compatible with my my PCI-e 1.0. But I have read that it should not be a problem, it just will be bottle necked.

P.P.S. This is an even smaller version of the Powercolor HD 7850: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814131464 Normally I would go with the PCS+ as I like to buy the enthusiast editions of cards, but would I notice a difference in my system if I decided to go with this card because its measurements are smaller?

the PCS+ card is as fast as a Nvidia Geforce GTX 570, hence why i recommend it. it's a decent bit faster than the stock cards.
As far as nvidia cards, the only real Nvidia card at this price point is the 560 ti, which note it's position on this graph;

But, as you can see this, the 560ti uses a decent bit more power;


Also, so long as you have a PCI-E x16 slot at the moment you won't see a difference in performance compared to 2.0 x16 or 3.0 x16 unless you're running a Geforce GTX 690 or a faster card.
And as you can see here, two six pin plugs, to get a single power plug you're looking at a 550ti at tops. Which is much slower. Keep in mind you don't have the largest amount of overhead out there for your GPU, and keep in mind the more power a card uses, the more heat is created. As far as length of a card, this 560ti seems to be the shortest of what i've seen looking quickly http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127565 and given it uses more power than a stock 560ti as it is, I don't recommend it given your power supply. Also, a stock Radeon HD 7850 will be faster, like that smaller Powercolor one you linked.;


As far as the difference in powercolor cards, the stock fan smaller card won't run as cool, overclock as high, or be as quiet as the PCS+ version. The PCS+ uses a custom PCB with additional VRM, a quieter fan (one of the quietest fans out there; 30dba at load,) and comes with a factory overclock higher than some 7850s reach normally. While using the same amount of power on average.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 13 June 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[Mobius245]

Why you hate AMD? I love AMD! I use AMD Phenom II 975 BE 4 Core and 3.6ghz. It nothing wrong with cpu because it cheap best price ever I got this. Nivida vs AMD....hmmmmm GTX 690 vs Radeon HD 7970, it hard found out about this. I use PoNY Nividia GTX 460 Fermi 1GB. Next time please don't hate AMD.

AMD Phenom II 975 BE
PoNY GTX 460 Fermi
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ASUS M4A87TD EVO
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Xigmatek LOKI SD963 92mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler bracket
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I build myseft in 2011

[Orion Pirate]

Thanks so much. The PCS+ is the card to get now that hard numbers are there to look at, especially in the power department. If the NVIDIA stuff needs more power, and only older slower cards are similar in power usage to my 8800GT, then the 7850 seems the obvious choice.

Thanks for your help!

[cipher]

Wulffemein, on 13 June 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

cipher who in the hell uses stock coolers for overclocking anyway. For Turbo boost/core stock cooling is fine, as it is if you do not intend to overclock at all. The stock cooler may be able to handle a small base clock boost, but still I for one will not use a cooler designed ahd rated for stock clock speeds to push my CPU to a speed 25-30% higher than the base clock.

I don't. I ALWAYS use a 3rd party cooler in builds for me personally. But there's nothing wrong with the stock cooler. In fact, Intel and AMD often use the same stock cooler for a variety of different speed and different TDP models! They overbuild a cooler so that it performs just enough for the highest range of CPUs it will be shipped with. More often than not the stock cooler does a fine job for a majority of CPUs out there, with room for overclocking.

Now, would I recommend someone do that? No. I always like my PCs running cool and wouldn't recommend overclocking on a stock cooler. But it's still possible and people on a tight budget still do that all the time without any issues or performance degradation when a CPU runs a little hotter on the stock cooler.

Catamount, on 13 June 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Now, now, cipher

You're right, of course, but no need to reduce this to criticizing typing/lingual skills. Remember, even spelling at least 80% of a post right puts one ahead of at least 50% of the internet

Indeed. It was my low point... but the Engrish was too good to pass up! I couldn't resist. I at least recognized him as an intelligent person.

Edited by cipher, 13 June 2012 - 09:15 AM.

[Catamount]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the shirt thing was hilarious


For overclocking, just to clarify, it sounds like you're saying stock coolers are generally fine for light overclocking, since they handle different bins of chips without a problem, with the room to spare that's necessary in any engineering (obviously), which is obviously true.

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Hey, I would just like to say Thank you for this guide! You have my Gratitude!

[cipher]

Catamount, on 13 June 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

For overclocking, just to clarify, it sounds like you're saying stock coolers are generally fine for light overclocking, since they handle different bins of chips without a problem, with the room to spare that's necessary in any engineering (obviously), which is obviously true.

Indeed.

[NeonKnight]

No Comments of Flight Pedals?

[Mobius245]

Let Compare this CPU

AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Turbo Boost) Eight-Core
37GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth (HyperTransport bus + memory bus)
Cost: $199
V.S.

Intel Core I7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) Quad-Core
Max 21GB/sec memory bandwidth

Cost:$299


okay.. that intel better because Sandy Bridge. AMD have more GHz , Core, and Cheap
Your Choice....
I choice... AMD FX-8150

[abetterpilot]

This thread delivers. Thanks

[cipher]

Mobius245, on 13 June 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Let Compare this CPU

AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz
V.S.
Intel Core I7-2600K 3.4GHz

No, let's not. Apples and Oranges.

[Thomas Hogarth]

There's a small blurb towards the end. I was planning on fleshing it out, but I realized that this thread may be redundant in the face of StainlessSteels earlier post. Needless to say, I made a mistake by not using the search function before writing a post.

[Vulpesveritas]

Mobius245, on 13 June 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Let Compare this CPU

AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Turbo Boost) Eight-Core
37GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth (HyperTransport bus + memory bus)
Cost: $199
V.S.

Intel Core I7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) Quad-Core
Max 21GB/sec memory bandwidth

Cost:$299


okay.. that intel better because Sandy Bridge. AMD have more GHz , Core, and Cheap
Your Choice....
I choice... AMD FX-8150

As much as I like AMD... when it comes to processors, the i7 is faster in both single and multithreaded situations... though in the latter not by much, it still is.
Though while the $100 difference may be sufficient for someone to consider an AM3+ platform for HPC work in a low budget environment, most running such applications will be using server based boards.
So... not really unless A: You're a complete AMD fanboy, B: You're doing gaming as well and can put that extra $100 towards a better GPU, C: You're working on a budget and that $100 makes all the difference, or D: You refuse to buy Intel for one reason or another, other than for reason A.

[Kasiagora]

Thank you very much for this post, Thomas, and thanks to everyone else for your inputs as well. I haven't had a flight game since Jane's Fighter Anthology other than the Ace Combat games on my PS2, and it's been so long since I've Mechwarriored that the last joystick I bought was a Cyborg 3D that has a 9-pin cable. I've been doing a lot of research in anticipation of MW:O and the discussion here has brought up numerous points that I had no idea about.

That being said I was wondering if anyone could answer questions about modifying or cleaning joysticks. I don't really have much disposable income and although I'm willing to splurge on something worthwhile, I'm going to try and ghetto rig something together first. So!
– Has anyone tried adapters? The Steel Battalion controller was made for Xbox and there's an adapter for USB but I was wondering if it works; if the computer recognizes all of the inputs. Another thought is if I bought a 9-pin to USB adapter if that would work? I've only seen one on Newegg and I'm not holding out much hope on its success.
–If potentiometers start displaying spikes, could they be cleaned safely or replaced with Hall Sensors at a reasonable price? An aunt and uncle of mine had a HOTAS Cougar years ago that I'd played with and loved at the time. They've never been tight with money and if they still have it lying around I might be able to get it for free but I'm sure it was one of the first ones made. I'm wondering if it would be worth the trouble to try cleaning it up or modding it. I don't know what type of plug theirs had, but it was long enough ago that it's probably not compatible anymore leading to the adapters question again.

P.S. Thanks for the note on Saitek being owned be Mad Catz. I bought a few different controllers made by MC'z a few years ago for a multi player night on the PS2s and all of them broke with just a few weeks of play time. It sounds though, that Saitek probably has their own team doing the upper-tier joysticks judging from your reviews, but I'll definitely steer clear of the lower-end models.

[Vulpesveritas]

Orion Pirate, on 13 June 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Thanks so much. The PCS+ is the card to get now that hard numbers are there to look at, especially in the power department. If the NVIDIA stuff needs more power, and only older slower cards are similar in power usage to my 8800GT, then the 7850 seems the obvious choice.

Thanks for your help!

No problem. This has turned into my main hobby it seems... I keep finding myself here at 2-4AM still checking for if people have updated and / or need help...
..
I really need to get myself to stop doing that. lol

[Parazaine]

I know the Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2 is not commercially available any more but it is still possible to pick them up second hand....it's one of the better 'twist-sticks' and has FFB

I have always piloted mechs with a twist stick joystick (twist for torso twist) but i'm aware that many believe they can have more control with a combination of keyboard and mouse....I guess I will have to wait until i'm able to play to decide which is better

[Chacatumbi]

thank you for the info